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Monogatari - Minor Undo

Agnaa

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I have a few minor nitpicks about some revisions which were passed without notifying me.

Koyomi Rework​

This lumped his Zoku key's Enhanced Senses justification with its Extrasensory Perception justification. Those should be separate, and the former should be justified with something like this or this. Although there are honestly dozens of feats that could work to justify this on its own.

This also made Koyomi's LS vary from Average Human to Class 5 for literally no reason (there's no indication that he got as strong he was during Kizumonogatari), and then gave Suruga scaling to that LS rating for literally no reason (the fight did not involve her overpowering Koyomi's LS). Both of these should just be removed.

Meme Upgrade​

His AP was previously "Unknown, likely 8-C", and this changed it to just 8-C. The justifications given for this were Meme blocking Episode's attack (which was durability, and is why that statistic was already solidly 8-C), and this statement; but that isn't actually saying that Meme is the best fit because he's physically stronger than the other specialists. It's because he could presumably steal Shinobu Oshino's heart to weaken her again, while the others likely don't have that capability.

This revision also changed his LS. I think blocking attacks in the way he did is just durability.

Also I think Meme's speed scaling justification should just reference when he came out of nowhere to block their attacks.

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I was notified this was talked with staff, but I guess not. overall I agree with everything but am connfused on the last part, iirc this is kizumonogatari no? if so the text and anime makes it clear koymi did in fact react to the hunters (even if he got DESTROYED most of the time), I don't think its dura tbh. the rest is fine
 
It's about Meme not Koyomi, but I did honestly misread that scene at first and only noticed after posting the thread lmao. I've edited it now; Meme should scale to 'em speed-wise, and we can actually link that scene as proof of that.
 
Felt good to be recognized as a Monogatari member, maybe that was the final push i needed to rewatch the whole series lol
Thank you @Agnaa

Agnaa said:
Both of these should just be removed.
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Agnaa said:
but that isn't actually saying that Meme is the best fit because he's physically stronger than the other specialists.
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Re-analizing, you made sense to me in those


Agnaa said:
The justifications given for this were Koyomi blocking Episode's attack (which was durability, and is why that statistic was already solidly 8-C)
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I think as vampires are scaling there statswise, this should render a "possibly" on the LS section at least, because it shouldn't be much of a problem to say he scales to that feat in durability and LS, specially with Episode's attacks involving his heavy af cross

Agnaa said:
Also I think Meme's speed scaling justification should just reference when he came out of nowhere to block their attacks.
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This sounds about right as well
Man i love Kizu, imma watch the trilogy this week just because of remembering it exists lol
 
Nonynho said:
I think as vampires are scaling there statswise, this should render a "possibly" on the LS section at least, because it shouldn't be much of a problem to say he scales to that feat in durability and LS, specially with Episode's attacks involving his heavy af cross
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I understand why it's physically feasible, but I think it's a bad standard in general to treat blocking a blow with your foot as scaling you to the attacker's LS. I think that should be kept for stuff like grappling, pushing back, etc.
 
Agnaa said:
It's about Meme not Koyomi, but I did honestly misread that scene at first and only noticed after posting the thread lmao. I've edited it now; Meme should scale to 'em speed-wise, and we can actually link that scene as proof of that.
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thats fine, tho imo if koyomi can react to the vampires then meme should as well
 
Agnaa said:
I understand why it's physically feasible, but I think it's a bad standard in general to treat blocking a blow with your foot as scaling you to the attacker's LS. I think that should be kept for stuff like grappling, pushing back, etc.
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well, shouldn't be too strange to consider "i defended both an unarmed move and an attack from a-cross-the-story-goes-out-of-its-way-to-display-it-as-heavy with the same level of not-difficulty" [an LS feat as well]* in my eyes
 
Nonynho said:
well, shouldn't be too strange to consider "i defended both an unarmed move and an attack from a-cross-the-story-goes-out-of-its-way-to-display-it-as-heavy with the same level of not-difficulty" [an LS feat as well]* in my eyes
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Not too strange (as I said, I understand it). I just don't think we do/should operate that way.

And aside from that, there is the logistical issue of how it was (presumably?) stopped while Episode was swinging it, meaning that Episode was supporting some of the weight. We can't properly determine how much of it Meme was even lifting.
 
Agnaa said:
Not too strange (as I said, I understand it). I just don't think we do/should operate that way.

And aside from that, there is the logistical issue of how it was (presumably?) stopped while Episode was swinging it, meaning that Episode was supporting some of the weight. We can't properly determine how much of it Meme was even lifting.
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As there's a line for it making sense, why don't we settle with "Likely" beside it?
 
If other people (particularly staff) agree, such a compromise may be necessary. But right now I think it's just wrong enough to not be deserving of a rating.

Think it's technically passed the threshold to be applied, but I'll wait a few days to see if others endorse Nonynho's view.
 
Agnaa said:
Think it's technically passed the threshold to be applied, but I'll wait a few days to see if others endorse Nonynho's view.
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I will bother the staff that came here once again

DarkDragonMedeus said:
This makes sense to me
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Vietthai96 said:
Yeah, this make sense to me as well
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Hello, may i ask for another minute of evaluation here?
I have proposed a counterargument for OP's change of Oshino Meme's LS, which @Agnaa saw as making some sense but doesn't think it's deserving of rating
Would any of you think it would be ok for the Oshino Meme's LS, after this revision, be on the same rating albeit with a "Likely" before it?

Nonynho said:
well, shouldn't be too strange to consider "i defended both an unarmed move and an attack from a-cross-the-story-goes-out-of-its-way-to-display-it-as-heavy with the same level of not-difficulty" [an LS feat as well]* in my eyes
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Nonynho said:
As there's a line for it making sense, why don't we settle with "Likely" beside it?
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