BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Saturday at 16:37

that trailer was peak.

Soulking22334 · Saturday at 16:38

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
that trailer was peak.

zaraki fans

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Saturday at 16:41

Any Kenpachi anti-feat is good news to me.

Too much glaze. ( I secretly love it haha)

Torsin · Saturday at 16:44

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
Any Kenpachi anti-feat is good news to me.

Too much glaze. ( I secretly love it haha)

Orihime negs that fraud.

FARLANDER3305 · Saturday at 16:45

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
Any Kenpachi anti-feat is good news to me.

Too much glaze. ( I secretly love it haha)

Bro must have been jumping from joy when he saw Copy Yhwach beat the Shit out of hım offscreen

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Saturday at 16:46

FARLANDER3305 said:
Bro must have been jumping from joy when he saw Copy Yhwach beat the Shit out of hım

ichimojii · Saturday at 16:47

AlternativePrinciple said:
That’s cuz Naruto anime it not as canon as the Naruto manga. Which is not the same for boruto

That conclusion doesn’t necessarily follow. Saying that TWOTL and Soul Society would merge if their boundary disappeared only establishes that the boundary is what keeps them distinct. It does not identify the nature of that boundary

Geometric separation only requires an additional dimension if the two spaces are embedded within the same ambient space and occupy different positions along an extra axis. That’s exactly what the VSBW guideline describes: universes existing at different positions along an additional dimensional axis.

Bleach never explicitly states that the Human World and Soul Society occupy different positions along a fifth spatial dimension. Instead, the series consistently describes them as separate realms connected through intermediary spaces like the Dangai and Garganta. The fact that removing the boundary causes them to merge is equally consistent with the boundary being a metaphysical or topological separator rather than a geometric higher-dimensional one.

In other words, “they merge if the boundary is removed” proves that the boundary preserves their distinction. It doesn’t prove that the boundary is a higher-dimensional axis. That additional premise still requires evidence.

Likewise, saying they “share the same existential coordinates” is an assertion, not something established by the manga. If they truly shared the same coordinates in the geometric sense, that itself would need to be demonstrated from the source material.

Another logical issue is that the argument assumes that because geometric separation can require an extra dimension, all separation must be geometric. That’s a non sequitur. Fiction commonly separates universes through barriers, pocket dimensions, disconnected topology, or metaphysical laws without implying a higher-dimensional embedding. To conclude a 5D separator, you must first prove the separation is specifically geometric along an additional axis, not merely that a boundary exists.

The should exist within the axis of the garganta how do you think the garganta can access anywhere in any dimension. In cfyow it's implied each relam exist in a axis within the garganta

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Saturday at 16:48

did you guys see Ichigo has a new technique in the trailer?

Torsin · Saturday at 16:49

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
did you guys see Ichigo has a new technique in the trailer?

I saw the christmas lights.

Soulking22334 · Saturday at 16:52

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時空の壁 = The wall of space-time = the wall of graganta

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all dimensions in bleach are inside it

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時間軸 = Time axis

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good enough i think

Soulking22334 · Saturday at 16:53

book of the end and AM also support this

Soulking22334 · Saturday at 17:02

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
did you guys see Ichigo has a new technique in the trailer?

Nah, he won't cheat on his ability

Soulking22334 · Saturday at 17:20

ichimojii said:
The should exist within the axis of the garganta how do you think the garganta can access anywhere in any dimension. In cfyow it's implied each relam exist in a axis within the garganta

can you give us the scans?

Soulking22334 · Saturday at 18:06

https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/Zw2p3oRFWY

what level of bs is this

HelloThere1089 · Saturday at 18:55

Soulking22334 said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/Zw2p3oRFWY

what level of bs is this

if you squint real hard you can actually see that it is a parody.

Infinite9Luck · Saturday at 18:58

Apollonir.Scale said:
This isn't a complete off-guard situation. This is just an off-guard situation in terms of combat. Askin knows he's in combat, why would he reduce his durability? The most you could say is that Askin used Blut Arteria instead of Blut Venn because he wanted to deliver the final blow to Urahara. In that case, you could say Grimmjow dealt damage to 1/5 of Askin's full durability.

Young Chojuro > Old Chojuro, or if you're arguing the opposite, you'd call that scene an outlier.

That doesn't really debunk what i said, Yhwach was in combat too, he still get backstabbed, Young Sasakibe > Old Sasakibe (That is also headcanon, most of shinigami don't get extremely weaker) still doesn't prove he is on Yhwach level.

Soulking22334 · Saturday at 21:00

HelloThere1089 said:
if you squint real hard you can actually see that it is a parody.

Excuse me, I'm a bit slow on the uptake.

sometimes I look for my glasses when they're right on my face.

AKUTO123 · Saturday at 21:05

5D garganta is debetable but using naruto for counter argumantation kinda weird because two shows cosmology completely different in naruto there isnt equvalation of garganta or dangai. All of other " Dimensions" More like yukio dimensions equavalations. You can against 5D garganta but using naruto dimension against garganta just bad example for me.

Soulking22334 · Saturday at 21:13

AKUTO123 said:
5D garganta is debetable but using naruto for counter argumantation kinda weird because two shows cosmology completely different in naruto there isnt equvalation of garganta or dangai. All of other " Dimensions" More like yukio dimensions equavalations. You can against 5D garganta but using naruto dimension against garganta just bad example for me.

Hence my kaguya example (which was bait)

HelloThere1089 · Saturday at 21:15

Soulking22334 said:
sometimes I look for my glasses when they're right on my face.

unironically has happened to me, but they were in my hand

Spilxson2 · Saturday at 22:11

Sorry this has probably been asked a bunch of times before, but would Unohana saying that Kenpachi can clash equally with Renji, Byakuya and Ichigo mean that everyone she mentioned in that sentence should become 3-C due to scaling to Renji?

PizzaDante67 · Saturday at 22:13

Spilxson2 said:
Sorry this has probably been asked a bunch of times before, but would Unohana saying that Kenpachi can clash equally with Renji, Byakuya and Ichigo mean that everyone she mentioned in that sentence should become 3-C due to scaling to Renji?

she had no idea how strong renji would become so i dont think you can scale them to renji but thats just me

NeonTxme · Saturday at 22:23

Spilxson2 said:
Sorry this has probably been asked a bunch of times before, but would Unohana saying that Kenpachi can clash equally with Renji, Byakuya and Ichigo mean that everyone she mentioned in that sentence should become 3-C due to scaling to Renji?

Not "equally" but rather being rivals whom match eachother, and she was referring to pre-reiyoku training Renji, which his feats are like an entire cour after her statement

NeonTxme · Saturday at 22:38

Soulking22334 said:
good enough i think

I'd suggest using Yoruichi's explanation about the time axis and Isshin backing it up later in the manga (during his training for Bankai / FGT) rather than unseen anime-exclusive statements... Since ya know, everything anime related minus MoN and F2B movies are considered non-canon here

Soulking22334 · Saturday at 22:39

NeonTxme said:
I'd suggest using Yoruichi's explanation about the time axis and Isshin backing it up later in the manga (during his training for Bankai / FGT) rather than unseen anime-exclusive statements... Since ya know, everything anime related minus MoN and F2B movies are considered non-canon here

i have no scans about yoruichi

NeonTxme · Saturday at 22:48

Soulking22334 said:
i have no scans about yoruichi

look around post-ch130, she mentioned how interacting with the kotosu/cleaner sent them a bit off the time axis but urahara's inventions saved them the hassle and allat, she was thinking abt if Ichigo can achieve bankai given their short time. As for Isshin iicr its around ch420

ichimojii · Saturday at 22:58

NeonTxme said:
I'd suggest using Yoruichi's explanation about the time axis and Isshin backing it up later in the manga (during his training for Bankai / FGT) rather than unseen anime-exclusive statements... Since ya know, everything anime related minus MoN and F2B movies are considered non-canon here

It's debatable the information is accurate since kubo checks the filler scripts

NeonTxme · Saturday at 23:05

ichimojii said:
It's debatable the information is accurate since kubo checks the filler scripts

still, its only reaffirming what we already know in the canon material, for the sake of consistency and accuracy we can just walk past them imo

Trihexa102 · Sunday at 00:35

Soulking22334 said:
時空の壁 = The wall of space-time = the wall of graganta

all dimensions in bleach are inside it

時間軸 = Time axis

good enough i think

That's wrong though you need to prove an additional spatial axis or have it stated to be HD.

NeonTxme · Sunday at 00:37

Trihexa102 said:
That's wrong though you need to prove an additional spatial axis or have it stated to be HD.

mhm mhm, unless ya like to mess around with hypertimeline scaling shenanigans and justify Garganta being a higher-infinity toward all 3 realms therefore granting a 5D rating

Trihexa102 · Sunday at 01:48

NeonTxme said:
mhm mhm, unless ya like to mess around with hypertimeline scaling shenanigans and justify Garganta being a higher-infinity toward all 3 realms therefore granting a 5D rating

which is pretty much unprovable with what we have now.
All we know is that the garganta fills up the spaces and is infinitely expanding.

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Sunday at 02:54

Actually there is enough evidence to argue possibly Low 1-C Garganta. It just needs to be compiled and explained properly.

PizzaDante67 · Sunday at 03:04

Does the wiki accept The Garganta to be a space-time continuum that contains all the other realms or as something else?

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Sunday at 03:14

It is accepted as a void containing the bleach cosmos and all the dimensions inside.

PizzaDante67 · Sunday at 03:20

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
It is accepted as a void containing the bleach cosmos and all the dimensions inside.

Well then it makes more sense for the Garganta to be Higher Dimensional just going off math than not. But getting that accepted is another story.

Trihexa102 · Sunday at 03:35

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
Actually there is enough evidence to argue possibly Low 1-C Garganta. It just needs to be compiled and explained properly.

doubt it unless there are statements of it encompassing all the realms and if there realms are universes.

Torsin · Sunday at 03:36

Trihexa102 said:
which is pretty much unprovable with what we have now.
All we know is that the garganta fills up the spaces and is infinitely expanding.

Pretty sure the garganta is straight up called infinite and not infinitely expanding like the muken. In the novel the narrator desribes it as the 'infinite expanse' of the garganta and that time flows differently here. In one of the old threads this was also translated by the site translator and had the proper kanji used.

PizzaDante67 · Sunday at 03:37

Trihexa102 said:
doubt it unless there are statements of it encompassing all the realms and if there realms are universes.

The 3 realms are already accepted as universes

Trihexa102 · Sunday at 03:40

PizzaDante67 said:
The 3 realms are already accepted as universes

I mean there aren't really anything definite that says they are just assumed for now, but it would be scrutinized much more when trying to get garganta to being a higher dimensional structure, well hopefully cour 4 gives enough info for most of this.

Trihexa102 · Sunday at 03:41

Torsin said:
Pretty sure the garganta is straight up called infinite and not infinitely expanding like the muken. In the novel the narrator desribes it as the 'infinite expanse' of the garganta and that time flows differently here. In one of the old threads this was also translated by the site translator and had the proper kanji used.

The anime card says infinitely expanding am pretty sure.

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