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The Pirate Hunter challenges another Sword Master to a duel (Roronoa Zoro{One Piece} vs Valencina{Project Moon}) 7-0-0 (Grace)
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I honestly think you are starting to twisting my comments at this point
Well in the end that's just our views, I honestly really don't want to drag this further so just settle this now
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Mommy valencina win, thank you for the thumb IDs
Zoro can't even touch valencina, if she lost clash, her passive could easily dodge zoro attack.
Zoro can't even touch valencina, if she lost clash, her passive could easily dodge zoro attack.
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Ignoring the guy's post above, yeah I'll go with Zoro FRA if it's still a decisive win and not a stomp in his favor
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Before I count any votes I just want to make it clear what Zoro's advantages are:
1)Superior Acrobatics
2) Superior Combat Skills
3)Genius Intelligence(Sidenote: I was under the assumption that you could no longer get Genius Intelligence via combat skills)
3)Resisitance to Heat, which apparently scales to Lightning heat(Sidenote: It's a little misleading to have the scan for this only showing him resisting normal fire)
Aside from this Zoro's supporters have also argued the following:
1) His Precognition is superior to Valencina's(this is based on him beating Ohm who has Observation Haki)
2)His version of Durability Negation isn't covered by Valencina's Resistance to Durability Negation so there is nothing the latter can do to prevent Zoro from cutting her.
3)He starts with his sword-drawing attack which is capable of blitzing those who have Precognition
Now with all that said, can someone please tell me how this isn't a stomp for Zoro? Cause even assuming that Valencina could survive Zoro's first attack and gains a defense boost it doesn't really do anything to prevent Zoro's Durability Negation from working, nor does it help Valencina be able to land any attacks on Zoro.
1)Superior Acrobatics
2) Superior Combat Skills
3)Genius Intelligence(Sidenote: I was under the assumption that you could no longer get Genius Intelligence via combat skills)
3)Resisitance to Heat, which apparently scales to Lightning heat(Sidenote: It's a little misleading to have the scan for this only showing him resisting normal fire)
Aside from this Zoro's supporters have also argued the following:
1) His Precognition is superior to Valencina's(this is based on him beating Ohm who has Observation Haki)
2)His version of Durability Negation isn't covered by Valencina's Resistance to Durability Negation so there is nothing the latter can do to prevent Zoro from cutting her.
3)He starts with his sword-drawing attack which is capable of blitzing those who have Precognition
Now with all that said, can someone please tell me how this isn't a stomp for Zoro? Cause even assuming that Valencina could survive Zoro's first attack and gains a defense boost it doesn't really do anything to prevent Zoro's Durability Negation from working, nor does it help Valencina be able to land any attacks on Zoro.
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You can't but not every profile has properly redone it yet.
Sorta needs an intelligence section restructure, and if you don't use tabbers, just do something like I did with Star Wars Combat Skill
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Having a very slight wincon doesn't automatically make it a Stomp. Its just a decisive win for Zoro
Zoro decisively wins via using certain techniques, which happens to be his starting moves
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Ok so what exactly would Valencina's win condition be here then? It can't be her combat skills and Precognition cause apparently Zoro's is superior to her there, It also can't be her Statistics Amplification abilities cause this fight won't be able to last long enough for her to be able to make use of them. Right now Valencina quite literally has no way of landing a single hit on Zoro let alone fighting back, so I don't see how this can be anything but a stomp.
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she can talk her way out
. The fact that if she lands a hit, it will heavily damage Zoro is her wincon. Zoro's precog usage are before he starts using his certain dura neg moves, so it's not all the time, otherwise he uses normal analytical prediction to predict moves via his enhanced senses and battle iqAgain you're saying it's a stomp but not say exactly why... She has higher ap normally, Zoro with only certain moves can one (possibly two) shot her... There's no stomp here
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she can talk her way out
Again you're saying it's a stomp but not say exactly why... She has higher ap normally, Zoro with only certain moves can one (possibly two) shot her... There's no stomp here
- One-Sword Style Sword Draw: Lion's Song (一刀いっとう流りゅう ｢居い合あい｣ 獅子しし歌歌ソンソン Ittōryū Iai: Shishi Sonson<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="wikipedia:Help:Installing Japanese character sets"><span>?</span></a>): Placing the sheathed sword upright and listening to the "breath" of his opponent, the attacker rapidly unsheathes, attacks, and resheathes their sword. An interesting note is that Zoro does the technique in reverse grip from beside-and-over his head, as opposed to from the waist with a standard grip on the sword. His very first One-Sword Style attack, this was first seen used to finish off Mr. 1. Zoro uses this technique only when he needs to cut metal like Mr. 1's steel body or Kaku's Tekkai technique. This attack is as powerful as Kaku's Tempest Kick: Dragon Cut.
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no... only Zoro's breath of all things is better than Ohm's... And he doesn't have it active at all times, only when he uses his dura neg moves
And her not having the necessary skill to tag Zoro doesn't make it a stomp, just less likely to happen = her ap is not irrelevant and is a wincon if she does land a hit.
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Yes and once again you yourself have continuously argued that Zoro will not only start with said Durability Negating move but also follow it up with another Durability Negating move if she survives the first one so he won't even be using his normal Precognition at all in this scenario. And there is also a pretty good chance that Zoro would just end up disarming Valencina when the latter tries to clash against him here since he has Class G Lifting Strength while Valencina is only Class M which would then leave her helpless since she's not a hand-to-hand fighter.
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still doesn't make it a stomp
unlikely |=| impossible... She has a chance of tagging him (she even has analytical prediction as well), and if that happens would badly injure him... But that scenario is only unlikely, based on Zoro's first moves and combat skills, giving him the way more reliable wincon
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And what exactly do you think Valencina's chances are for hitting Zoro that you'd say that that it's "only unlikely"? Cause from what we've discussed so far I'd say her chances would only be around 1-10%, and frankly speaking I don't think she's anywhere near skilled enough to pull of a win with those kind of odds, so while it's not literally impossible it is very much implausible.
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Following not voting tho
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with her prediction around 30% if not higher in very close ranges... The other 70 % is Zoro having 3 swords, insane acrobatics and overall insane battle awareness
But otherwise he would still get tagged if she's manages to reach very close range
That altercation however gets countered only by Zoro using his breath of all things moves, which is a momentary precog and blitz Amp, all which works for this match up and wouldn't be a stomp
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Hmm, ok fair enough so I guess I'll count the votes then.with her prediction around 30% if not higher in very close ranges... The other 70 % is Zoro having 3 swords, insane acrobatics and overall insane battle awareness
But otherwise he would still get tagged if she's manages to reach very close range
That altercation however gets countered only by Zoro using his breath of all things moves, which is a momentary precog and blitz Amp, all which works for this match up and wouldn't be a stomp
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Counted, and thanks for joining in.
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Counted, and thanks for joining in.
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sooo what's the args for both
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Counted, and thanks for joining in
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I don't think Valencina has an actual argument for her cause she doesn't really have a viable wincon here. The past few pages were just me and Ubdon arguing with Kachon123 and MonkeyOfLife about whether or not this was a stomp in Zoro's favor, with the conclusion being that Valencina supposedly having a 30% chance of winning thanks to her Precogtion and AP advantage, though I'm still doubtful about this conclusion I'm not really interested in debating this further.
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More so 30% or more with a chance of landing a hit on Zoro, but I guess sure
Basically
Valencia starts by going in close range, using her analytical prediction + AP advantage to overpower Zoro
Zoro starts with dura neg moves that blitzes the opponent while utilizing precog, has better combat skill, with also dura neg ranged slashes that can substitute for the blitz moves if it's required
Both are wincons, however Valencia getting close range is way more unreliable (being countered or hindered by Zoro) than Zoro starting with blitz Amp dura neg (97% chance of getting hit and fatally injured, with like 30% chance of Zoro actually killing/one shotting her for the first attack)
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No I don't think so. Zoro already has a lot of advantages over Valencina to begin with, so the latter starting the fight getting injured first will definitely result in her overall performance being negatively impacted. Aside from that there's also the fact that Zoro has Accelerated Development which will let him be able to quickly close the AP gap and make Valencina lose the only advantage she has left. With that said, the only time where Valencina would have any chance of both landing a hit and significantly injuring Zoro would be right at the start of the fight as that's when Zoro's Accelerated Development hasn't taken effect yet, which in this scenario wouldn't be possible since he starts with the one move that completely invalidates the former's entire kit.
By the way you still haven't voted yet, so it safe to say that your voting for Zoro?
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Yes... Already voted before
In the beginning of the fight where Zoro doesn't start with his blitz moves, she will have the upper hand on him
that's her wincon
Zoro's wincon is utilizing his Iai techniques early on, which will counter her overpowering him in the beginning if she goes in close range with analytical predictions
Stop trying to look at the one way the fight can go down... Where that only one way looks like a stomp (even tho it isn't).
There are multiple ways the fight can go, where both have win cons... Zoro however has the more reliable ones, as we know and have seen Zoro start with Iai moves
Zoro utlization of his Accelerated Development is another different wincon that he has, Valencia overpowering him before his Accelerated Development takes full affect is another wincon for her
It's all about which wincon is more reliable in this scenario... And we know that Zoro's wincon is far more reliable and easier to accomplish then her wincons. Now stop trying to argue how she has no way of doing anything to make it seem like it's a stomp.
It's clearly not a stomp
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Hmm, I guess I missed that. Counted, and thanks for joining in.
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I'm also gonna vote for Zoro FRA
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Counted, and thanks for joining in.
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Counted, and thanks for joining in.
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those aren't really valid votes 
Although Reaper did give reasonings
Although Reaper did give reasonings
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So it should be 7 votes then?those aren't really valid votes
Although Reaper did give reasonings
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I think so
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