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Because he’s previous abilities accounts for the skypiea feat… same for his supernatural willpower, he performs tangible illusions from his will after East blue
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The Pirate Hunter challenges another Sword Master to a duel (Roronoa Zoro{One Piece} vs Valencina{Project Moon}) 7-0-0 (Grace)
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Ubdon
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Then why not change flame scan to lightning
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Idk… probably because he got the ability first from the flames
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Yeah but like there seem to be huge gap between those 2 feats
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Does it really work like that?
"Whether it is through a difference in statistics, abilities or even (in very rare cases) skill between the two parties, these matches are heavily one-sided and provide little to no challenge or danger for the winning character."
From way you talk about zoro has super dura neg with little to no limitations nor downsides that can ignore her ap durability resistance so even if we go outside of blitz it would be just one-sided
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this sounds weird cuz it's skypiea key so it's being "previous ability" is kinda weird
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Also does he always going to kill with every random he fights with?
Cuz sba you linked just says they intend to win but it also added that killing is not only you can win against opponent nor does imply that character would start with their strongest moves.
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Mighty Blade ≠ instant kill. Zoro used it on Ohm and was very much not dead afterwards. I don't know where this idea comes from.
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if you refering to what I said then idk what you talking about cuz I mentioned nothing about insta kill
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The limitations being Zoro not cutting the object he desired to cut... Ryuma did that by blocking with his Haki black blade and own blitz technique for example, and Kuma tanked it because of having stronger than steel, an object Zoro had yet sensed the "breath" of
But since he can blitz, he can easily pull it off
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I think Val could be counted for this case. Cuz her clothes aint just regular clothes (2nd screen refers to Carnival, which provides said fabric to Thumb). Now as for some cases of quality fabric protecting from something - we have this feat of protecting from what seems to be something more piercing than just regular bullets (also considering that it's more expensive to do job even with regular bullets than replacing head with a tv that can shoot lasers due to goverment regulations)
Now, I wouldn't say that her clothes are 100% on the level of what a color fixer can afford but she was a high member of the Thumb and at least had a lot of connections. That should mean that she had a way to make fabric that would be close in quality.
So my version is that Zoro would try to cut it as if it were fabric but fail to realise the work behind said fabric because he had never sensed a similar thing yet as well as this cloth being most likely stronger than steel.
Her weapons are also clearly not regular swords, withstanding constant burning and vibration from tremor after firing bullets with them for decades.
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No, you would need proof that it's stronger/harder than steel first.
Zoro senses the breath of what he cuts, any object harder than steel would basically be outside of his "range" of understanding the object to cut like butter (until he senses and understands that new breath)
Hence cutting Dimond would be the "next step" basically
Zoro still cut an iron cloud like butter because of it's hardness or density range being similar to Daz bones steel... It being made of fabric, clouds, or anything else wouldn't really matter
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Roland quite literally compared it to plate armor saying that everyone with money buy that fabric instead
also asked google what plate armor made of and ai said this
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Farbric has way different density
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Also he wasn't making comparisson between quality of fabric and plate armor and instead went for more modern and progressed augmentations which also replaced armor
And since he mention that it's very pricy we can fairly skip argue if he meant cheap plate armor or one of best one
So I don't think it's that much of assumption to say what I said above
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It would've been 10 times shorter if it was almost any other verse
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Didnt purple tear has a match that went for 10+ pages because half of it are bumps
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It's still an assumption... It gives a vague idea of a potential hardness of the object. it never talks about the hardness of the fabric but instead only about its protection
I believe tattoos are similar to them, being described as making or boosting skin like armor/steel I believe which would in turn possibly make fabric similar to that level (although no proof in hardness)
Either way you need some proof of the object having higher hardness than steel... assumptions wouldn't really be valid. (but either way, they both function as protection like steel, which Zoro negs)
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Actually it was 5 pages and funnily enough that was also one of my matchups.
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They can't handle Roland from Allusions.
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My glorious goat is NOT a fraud
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Imagine having a relic that lets you see into the future and forcing your opponent to hold back by taking his daughter hostage, and STILL not being able to beat him. Also, she's a narcissist and a shitty mentor and parent.
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1. Slashed by Ryoshu's sword that debuffs the opponent greatly by a surprise attack and also it was at the same place where the relic is.
2. If you were a war hero and the fame of your familia you too would be a little proud (also getting kicked out of the thumb doesn't matter since those people would see anything as a sign of disrespect).
3. Idk man Lucio could have locked in an actually hit the target or smth.
4. Shitty parent yet showed an actual emotion to seeing her apprentice get skewered.
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Still doesn't remove the fact that she needed it.
Just because she's proud of herself doesn't mean she gets to treat others like shit just for being inferior. It says a lot that she managed to reach a position where she got to decide what was considered "rude" and still got booted. The Thumb doesn't even want their Relic back because her actions tainted it in their eyes.
And she should've locked in and beaten Vergilius. Lucio didn't deserve someone like her.
The bare minimum. Wow. Let's just pretend like she didn't hurt him to the point that he wants to KILL her one day. Let's also ignore how she treated Ryoshu as nothing but her "Ticket" to return to her syndicate.
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No offense, but I think this kind of talk is better left for the General Discussion Thread.
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Vote for The sottocapo/thumb nursefathers
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Are you sure? Cause at the moment it kind of seems like this would either be a stomp or a decisive victory in Zoro's favor.
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I've been arguing here for pages just to give her wincons to not make it stomp
So reasoning would be preferable
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I really dislike your tone here but let me say this: just because you are shitty person doesn't mean you are being born into that
All of the environment way before she got into HoS caused into this, the Intervallo on Ryoshū literally shows that she can be decent parent, still strict, but not entirely worst, it just that the thumb being such of very awful finger that screwed her to the point of became a hateful person
But then again, we still don't have the true actual context on how she got booted up from the organization, so this is pretty much in air
Doesn't mean to justify her action but blatantly pointing out her bad aspect while ignoring what has caused her into this is pretty much really disrespectful
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1. She's a fictional character.
2. Where the hell in my comment did I imply that she was born the way she is?
3. How the Thumb treated Valencina doesn't excuse how she treated her own apprentices and guess what? Ryoshu, whom she abused, didn't abuse her daughter.
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That's a not good excuse
The way you debated make it like she's supposed to be like what we learn from the beginning
You missed my point, then again I didn't worded my arguments better after I checked mine above
I only pointing out some of the background that justified her action, yes it doesn't excuse on the abuse she did to Ryoshū but at least we know what caused her into like this
Awful place resulting an awful person, which vented into a underling that doesn't deserve any of it, that's what I mean
I arguing with you because I got the impression that you are debating this in bad faith and that "wow" words on your previous comments really titled me off
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What excuse? You said I was being disrespectful as if she was a real person whose feelings I'm hurting or something, so I pointed out that she's a fictional character. Anyone can be disrespectful towards her and criticize her as long as they're not hurting a real person.
I read the story, you know?
I was being "wow" towards someone who was trying to defend an abusive parent.
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JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE POINTING OUT THE NOT BAD PART OF SHITTY PERSON DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE DEFENDER JFC THIS MENTALITY PISSED ME OFF
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Which part of this isn't defending her? Only showing any sort of concern for her apprentice when he literally dies seems pretty bad to me.
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