Minor TADC Episode 9 CRT

David_Is_Goat · Saturday at 15:40

I swear i was holding this until 19th June, because i watched the final episode at the theaters, to avoid people from spoilers. So here is my minor CRT about TADC (sorry if it is rough):

Powers and Abilities

Creation & Telekinesis (All of the participants of the Digital Circus possesses the same creation power that Caine has, which was previously stated by Kinger in episode 8, being capable of, at the moment, create simple shapes)
Self-Sustenance (Type 1 - During a hypotetical scenary where Ragatha got abstracted, Jax hanged Pomni after she asked if he's ok, just to state that they won't die from lack of oxygen) [This add all types of Self-Sustenance for them]
Mind Reading (Pomni could enter Jax's mind, seeing all of his past and hypotetics futures, meeting also his personalities, even though he was abstracted)
Reality Warping (They can change the scenary by their own, as seen here)

Upgrade his tier to 8-C, due to the fact he abstracted, which also grants these abilities:

Corruption (Type 1; Upon contacting his opponent they begin to glitch out and have trouble moving which causes them to feel pain
Surface Scaling (Should have the same capabilities of Kaufmo, who could ran on a side of wall)
Deconstruction (He is capable of applying a deconstruction effect to what he attacks)

Multiple Selves (Type 1; That one AI seen on the start of the episode 8 was part of Caine's progamming, probably the one responsable for his dictatorial behaviour, which he later could separate)
Regeneration (Low-Godly; Survived being literally deleted from the original code of the Digital Circus, though he confirmed they "killed" him)

Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:

Alexander · Saturday at 16:40

You should also add that Jax should be labeled as "Gender: Female"

Plants_vs_zombies_fan101 · Saturday at 16:43

could this count as reality warping for jax or the rest of the main cast?

Alexander · Saturday at 16:45

Plants_vs_zombies_fan101 said:
could this count as reality warping for jax or the rest of the main cast?

Yes

David_Is_Goat · Saturday at 16:48

Plants_vs_zombies_fan101 said:
could this count as reality warping for jax or the rest of the main cast?

This is just a imaginary scenary if Gangle abstracted. Though they have a cartoonish physiology, i doubt he could do something like that. But, i'm not sure even so

I will take note of that

Alexander · Saturday at 16:50

David_Is_Goat said:
This is just a imaginary scenary if Gangle abstracted. Though they have a cartoonish physiology, i doubt he could do something like that. But, i'm not sure even so

I will take note of that

*Zooble.
Also Caine (who they have his same powers) is able to change the art style and teleport everyone to different worlds without any trouble, by all accounts, they should be able to do that.

David_Is_Goat · Saturday at 16:53

Alexander said:
*Zooble.

Gangle bruh? It's literally zooble who attacks Jax in the scene. Anyways, discuss something like that is useless, lol

Alexander said:
Also Caine (who they have his same powers) is able to change the art style and teleport everyone to different worlds without any trouble, by all accounts, they should be able to do that.

Makes sense.

Alexander · Saturday at 17:04

David_Is_Goat said:
Gangle bruh? It's literally zooble who attacks Jax in the scene. Anyways, discuss something like that is useless, lol

I see it through the imagery of the ones who are in the scene (Zooble is in there and wants revenge)

David_Is_Goat said:
Makes sense.

THANKS

Psychomaster35 · Saturday at 18:23

David_Is_Goat said:
Creation (All of the participants of the Digital Circus possesses the same creation power that Caine has, which was previously stated by Kinger in episode 8, being capable of, at the moment, create simple shapes)

Self-Sustenance (Type 1 - During a hypotetical scenary where Ragatha got abstracted, Jax hanged Pomni after she asked if he's ok, just to state that they won't die from lack of oxygen) [This add all types of Self-Sustenance for them]

Mind Reading (Pomni could enter Jax's mind, seeing all of his past and hypotetics futures, meeting also his personalities, even though he was abstracted)

Reality Warping (They can change the scenary by their own, as seen here)

In general, all of the circus members should actually have access to all of Caine's abilities as evident with Kinger's statement in Episode 8 where he states that they have the same conjuring powers as Caine, though they need to put more focus into them. You also forgot to add Telekinesis given how the circus members were capable of telekinetically moving around the black polygons they made.

David_Is_Goat said:
Deconstruction (He is capable of applying a deconstruction effect to what he attacks)

Scan?

David_Is_Goat said:
Resistance to:

Existence Erasure & Data Manipulation (Survived being literally deleted from the original code of the Digital Circus, though he confirmed they "killed" him)

I don't really agree with this being a resistance given how Caine was still affected by existence erasure. However, the fact that he came back from it after he got deleted from his entire code being deleted shows that it's actually High-Godly Regeneration on an informational level.

Alexander · Saturday at 18:36

Psychomaster35 said:
In general, all of the circus members should actually have access to all of Caine's abilities as evident with Kinger's statement in Episode 8 where he states that they have the same conjuring powers as Caine, though they need to put more focus into them. You also forgot to add Telekinesis given how the circus members were capable of telekinetically moving around the black polygons they made.

Scan?

I don't really agree with this being a resistance given how Caine was still affected by existence erasure. However, the fact that he came back from it after he got deleted from his entire code being deleted shows that it's actually High-Godly Regeneration on an informational level.

~~So Caine can fight Kyle and he won't die?~~
Does that include the players too?

Psychomaster35 · Saturday at 18:43

Alexander said:
~~So Caine can fight Kyle and he won't die?~~
Does that include the players too?

Yes? I literally just said how the circus members have potentially access to the rest of Caine's abilities.

Thanganimator · Saturday at 18:47

I think the resistance to existence erasure for Caine should be classified as Low-Godly Regeneration, because if he resisted it, he wouldn't have been erased in the first place only to reappear later.

Alexander · Saturday at 18:50

Thanganimator said:
I think the resistance to existence erasure for Caine should be classified as Low-Godly Regeneration, because if he resisted it, he wouldn't have been erased in the first place only to reappear later.

Actually it should be Mid-Godly or High-Godly for that matter, he wasn't going to be erased from physically or "soul" (?) he was going to get erased permanently, which in this case means, he won't even have anything left.
When Gummigo got erased and returned, he didn't have his memories or experiences, he was basically a new entity.

Thanganimator · Saturday at 18:52

Alexander said:
Actually it should be Mid-Godly or High-Godly for that matter, he wasn't going to be erased from physically or "soul" (?) he was going to get erased permanently, which in this case means, he won't even have anything left.
When Gummigo got erased and returned, he didn't have his memories or experiences, he was basically a new entity.

I don't know; I'll leave it to the staff.

Axorandom0 · Sunday at 03:43

Jax would also get abstraction 8-C tiering and key, no?

DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt · Sunday at 04:06

Axorandom0 said:
Jax would also get abstraction 8-C tiering and key, no?

well, yea, there's no reason to assume abstractions have ANY differences in power considering the whole point of them is losing individuality, which wouldn't make sense if Jax was different

David_Is_Goat · Sunday at 04:19

Psychomaster35 said:
In general, all of the circus members should actually have access to all of Caine's abilities as evident with Kinger's statement in Episode 8 where he states that they have the same conjuring powers as Caine, though they need to put more focus into them.

So can we simply copy and past most of Caine's abilities?

Psychomaster35 said:
You also forgot to add Telekinesis given how the circus members were capable of telekinetically moving around the black polygons they made.

Psychomaster35 said:
Scan?

He abstracted...? He shouldn't be different from Kaufmo or every soul that abstracted

Psychomaster35 said:
I don't really agree with this being a resistance given how Caine was still affected by existence erasure. However, the fact that he came back from it after he got deleted from his entire code being deleted shows that it's actually High-Godly Regeneration on an informational level.

I agree.

Thanganimator · Sunday at 04:51

Psychomaster35 said:
I don't really agree with this being a resistance given how Caine was still affected by existence erasure. However, the fact that he came back from it after he got deleted from his entire code being deleted shows that it's actually High-Godly Regeneration on an informational level.

No, no—the fundamental nature of this universe is that of a simulation (meaning it consists of data). This is distinct from a scenario where data governs the world (i.e., Information Type 2), so it cannot qualify as High-Godly.
I think it's Low-Godly (Body, Data, possibly Mind)

Thanganimator · Sunday at 06:50

Plants_vs_zombies_fan101 said:
could this count as reality warping for jax or the rest of the main cast?

That also can be timestop right?

Psychomaster35 · Sunday at 07:24

Plants_vs_zombies_fan101 said:
could this count as reality warping for jax or the rest of the main cast?

That was all in Jax's mind in this context, we don't know if he can actually do it

Alexander · Sunday at 14:16

Psychomaster35 said:
That was all in Jax's mind in this context, we don't know if he can actually do it

And i repeat.
Everyone can do the same things Caine can do and he has shown the abilities to alter the art style of the world (like in the Anime slice of life adventure) or even teleport everyone into different scenarios.
This isn't out of the realm of possibility or anything.

Qurbonboev · Sunday at 16:22

David_Is_Goat said:
Existence Erasure & Data Manipulation (Survived being literally deleted from the original code of the Digital Circus, though he confirmed they "killed" him)

Psychomaster35 said:
However, the fact that he came back from it after he got deleted from his entire code being deleted shows that it's actually High-Godly Regeneration on an informational level.

No.
It's more natural to interpret Caine situation as:
1. Deletion sending him into trash bin, not actually deleting information
2. Since things like SSDs with TRIM didn't exist yet at that point, even if Caine was deleted from trash bin, his data would still remain in storage before being overwritten (which can take time).

In short, Caine resurrection is weakness of TADC Console (which was used to kill him), not Caine ability

Psychomaster35 · Sunday at 16:31

Qurbonboev said:
No.
It's more natural to interpret Caine situation as:
1. Deletion sending him into trash bin, not actually deleting information
2. Since things like SSDs with TRIM didn't exist yet at that point, even if Caine was deleted from trash bin, his data would still remain in storage before being overwritten (which can take time).

In short, Caine resurrection is weakness of TADC Console (which was used to kill him), not Caine ability

Was there more context given in some QnA statement about how Caine lived? Because it was never really stated in the episode that Caine lived because he was only thrown into the trash bin and not fully deleted. The fact that the circus members could swear now after Caine's deletion indicates that he was in fact deleted from existence, yet even after "dying" he still managed to come back from his code being deleted.

Qurbonboev · Sunday at 16:40

Psychomaster35 said:
Was there more context given in some QnA statement about how Caine lived? Because it was never really stated in the episode that Caine lived because he was only thrown into the trash bin and not fully deleted.

I checked things.
Caine was deleted via console, and deleting file via console doesn't send them to trash/recycle bin, and instead just ""deletes"" them.
Data is still in storage, waiting for being overwritten. So Caine information would still continue to exists

Alexander · Sunday at 17:00

They still could swear and the circus was starting to fall apart before it stops, which again, can only happen if Caine was truly deleted and dead, since he is the one holding the prevention of swearing.
We are still using the hard rules of real computation even when, clearly for all intents and purposes, they are not being realistic at all.
So yes, Caine was deleted and he survived and returned anyway.
If the characters says that someone died from a fireball, why would you assume that they died because of their illness?

TheHedgememe · Sunday at 20:45

I knew my recent and spontaneous binge of this show I did at midnight and finished just now this morning would come in handy! Let's see here...

David_Is_Goat said:
Creation (All of the participants of the Digital Circus possesses the same creation power that Caine has, which was previously stated by Kinger in episode 8, being capable of, at the moment, create simple shapes)

Self-Sustenance (Type 1 - During a hypotetical scenary where Ragatha got abstracted, Jax hanged Pomni after she asked if he's ok, just to state that they won't die from lack of oxygen) [This add all types of Self-Sustenance for them]

Mind Reading (Pomni could enter Jax's mind, seeing all of his past and hypotetics futures, meeting also his personalities, even though he was abstracted)

Reality Warping (They can change the scenary by their own, as seen here)

Creation, Self-Sustenance, and Mind Reading are fine. For them having all types you can just use the statement by Ragatha where she says they don't need sleep and Kinger even outright saying they don't need to eat, drink, or sleep.

Reality Warping, I'm not as certain of. But given that Kinger says everyone else can (with additional effort and practice) use similar creation powers to Caine, and we see Kinger and Pomni utilize such powers in Episode 9? I'd at least give it a possibly rating.

David_Is_Goat said:
Corruption (Type 1; Upon contacting his opponent they begin to glitch out and have trouble moving which causes them to feel pain

Surface Scaling (Should have the same capabilities of Kaufmo, who could ran on a side of wall)

Deconstruction (He is capable of applying a deconstruction effect to what he attacks)

For his abstracted form (what I assume this is for), this is fine.

David_Is_Goat said:
Multiple Selves (Type 1; That one AI seen on the start of the episode 8 was part of Caine's progamming, probably the one responsable for his dictatorial behaviour, which he later could separate)

Resistance to:

Existence Erasure & Data Manipulation (Survived being literally deleted from the original code of the Digital Circus, though he confirmed they "killed" him)

Also works. In fact, it checks out completely.

Honestly you could even maybe argue some kind of regeneration from this. Given that his code got erased (which it's been established that he did die), which also made his body disappear, where he then returned in the void? There's probably some kind of case you can make. Dunno where he'd end up though. If nothing else just give him Resurrection or something.

TheHedgememe · Sunday at 21:27

Qurbonboev said:
I checked things.
Caine was deleted via console, and deleting file via console doesn't send them to trash/recycle bin, and instead just ""deletes"" them.
Data is still in storage, waiting for being overwritten. So Caine information would still continue to exists

It's not entirely unreasonable to use real-life computing as a standard for things like this, but writers don't always know how computers work. Nor do they always care to be accurate with their depictions of computers.

What happens here is that Kinger uses the console to delete Caine. Caine dies. Reality itself becomes unstable after Caine (the guy sustaining the Circus in the first place) dies. There is a clear authorial intent that Caine is genuinely deleted in that he is erased from existence (because he dies), and that should supersede any and all appeals to reality, as weird as that sounds.

Him being in the void afterward is also not a sign of him not being erased, or somehow being a representation of his code waiting to be deleted. He travels there with Pomni in the very first episode and everything's still alright in the circus afterward. He is forcibly severed from the reality he governs when he's deleted by Kinger's use of the console.

FoxySonicMaster108 · Tuesday at 10:40

I think I agree with what Psychomaster35 has said. Even if I’m 50/50 on high godly for Caine.

David_Is_Goat · Tuesday at 18:41

I updated the OP. Did i forget somehting?

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