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The Long awaited Speed downgrade of New 52 Flash

Alright here starts the collection of all his solo run feats:
The Flash V4 Issue 00 (Seemingly Casual, though it's somewhat unclear given he wasn't really conscious until after the feat)
The Flash V4 Issue 00 (Unclear, it's a statement at the end of the issue with no context, theoretically a high effort value as its stating a max speed of sorts)
The Flash V4 Issue 02 (I would assume casual based on how casually it was said)
The Flash V4 Issue 03 (Changed my mind in edit after realizing how large a 20 mile radius is. It definitely covers both cities. I can no longer say this is casual, he gets into proper sprinting form and says hes gonna try to help everyone, i have to assume hes actually trying, soft cap at worst though he never says he cant or ig maybe its implied since he says he'll "try" but that feels like a stretch)
The Flash V4 Issue 04 (Not clear, it's a Reaction feat and he does it while basically unconcious)
The Flash V4 Issue 04 (Casual, he shows 0 signs of struggle outrunning that explosion)
The Flash V4 Issue 05 (At least a soft cap in speed, is clearly shown struggling to stand afterwards and is in pain)
The Flash V4 Issue 07 (Seems casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 10 (100% casual, having witty banter as he dodges lightning)
The Flash V4 Issue 19 (Incredibly casual, it's an off-handed remark and Flash isn't even shown sweating)
The Flash V4 Issue 20 (Casual, he seems to be done before lunch and not even phased)
The Flash V4 Issue 20 (Casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 21 (It's slightly unclear, clearly they're relative in speed though Barry could be holding back, their traversal of the world would be casual except for Kid Flash being stated to be "pushing his limits" as he hits escape velocity, so it's hard to tell but I'd lean more towards soft cap than casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 22 (Casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 26 (Not Applicable)
The Flash V4 Issue 26 (Appears Casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 27 (Appears Casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 28 (Casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 29 (Casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 30 (Seems Casual)
The Flash V4 Annual 02 (Not Casual but not a hard cap either, he used speed mind which is a boost in perception and mental processing speed)
The Flash V4 Annual 03 (Casual)
The Flash V4 Annual 03 (Casual, incredibly so)
The Flash V4 Annual 03 (Seems casual, doesn't even remark about the laser)
The Flash V4 Issue 31(Casual)
The Flash V4 Futures End Issue 001 (Soft Cap, potentially could've done faster, since the speed force was wonky and things were essentially taking more time than they should, but no idea how much faster)
The Flash V4 Issue 35 (Casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 41 (Casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 43 (Casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 44 (Underwater movement so not as applicable, however it is stated he barely survived thats more due to the adverse effects of leaving the ocean depths so fast, so I'd say Semi-Casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 44 (Appears Casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 47 (Hard Cap, both him and Thawne are fighting at max capacity here)
The Flash V4 Issue 48 (Casual)
The Flash V4 Issue 50 (Not Applicable but potentially hard cap based on what's shown previously)
The Flash V4 Issue 50 (Casual, a newly powered Wallace did this)
The Flash V4 Issue 51(Hard Cap. Riddler says it and he does too. He can't do it)
The Flash V4 Issue 52 (Not really applicable but I assume casual?)
The Flash V4 Issue 52 (Says he can stop holding back to finish the drones off so I would assume soft cap at least)
 
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Hey since I'm literally going through 52 issues and 5 annuals would someone else mind trying to find feats outside his solo run to compare
 
FroYoSans said:
Alright here starts the collection of all his solo run feats:
The Flash V4 Issue 00
The Flash V4 Issue 00
The Flash V4 Issue 02
The Flash V4 Issue 03
The Flash V4 Issue 04
The Flash V4 Issue 04
The Flash V4 Issue 05
The Flash V4 Issue 07
The Flash V4 Issue 10
The Flash V4 Issue 19
The Flash V4 Issue 20
The Flash V4 Issue 20
The Flash V4 Issue 21
The Flash V4 Issue 22
The Flash V4 Issue 26
The Flash V4 Issue 26
The Flash V4 Issue 27
The Flash V4 Issue 28
The Flash V4 Issue 29
The Flash V4 Issue 30
The Flash V4 Annual 02
The Flash V4 Annual 03
The Flash V4 Annual 03
The Flash V4 Annual 03
The Flash V4 Issue 31
The Flash V4 Futures End Issue 001
The Flash V4 Issue 35
The Flash V4 Issue 41
The Flash V4 Issue 43
The Flash V4 Issue 44
The Flash V4 Issue 44
The Flash V4 Issue 47
The Flash V4 Issue 48
The Flash V4 Issue 50
The Flash V4 Issue 50
The Flash V4 Issue 51
The Flash V4 Issue 52
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That Is the entirety of his speed feats from his New 52 Solo run. A whopping TWO MFTL feats entirely far removed from everything else he does in his solo run lmao
 
FroYoSans said:
Alright here starts the collection of all his solo run feats:
The Flash V4 Issue 00
The Flash V4 Issue 00
The Flash V4 Issue 02
The Flash V4 Issue 03
The Flash V4 Issue 04
The Flash V4 Issue 04
The Flash V4 Issue 05
The Flash V4 Issue 07
The Flash V4 Issue 10
The Flash V4 Issue 19
The Flash V4 Issue 20
The Flash V4 Issue 20
The Flash V4 Issue 21
The Flash V4 Issue 22
The Flash V4 Issue 26
The Flash V4 Issue 26
The Flash V4 Issue 27
The Flash V4 Issue 28
The Flash V4 Issue 29
The Flash V4 Issue 30
The Flash V4 Annual 02
The Flash V4 Annual 03
The Flash V4 Annual 03
The Flash V4 Annual 03
The Flash V4 Issue 31
The Flash V4 Futures End Issue 001
The Flash V4 Issue 35
The Flash V4 Issue 41
The Flash V4 Issue 43
The Flash V4 Issue 44
The Flash V4 Issue 44
The Flash V4 Issue 47
The Flash V4 Issue 48
The Flash V4 Issue 50
The Flash V4 Issue 50
The Flash V4 Issue 51
The Flash V4 Issue 52
The Flash V4 Issue 52
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What is the goal with all of these feats?
 
FroYoSans said:
@Tomfer refer to this
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Blue names, such as ourselves, cannot tag other people. So I didn't get this notification.

FroYoSans said:
Oh and on a personal level it simply shows consistency for Flash not being MFTL+, running wise at least
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I meant like, what would be used instead? You gotta get some of the best or your favorite feats and calculate them so you can present better for anyone to vote.
 
Tomfer said:
Blue names, such as ourselves, cannot tag other people. So I didn't get this notification.
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Ah that makes sense
Tomfer said:
I meant like, what would be used instead? You gotta get some of the best or your favorite feats and calculate them so you can present better for anyone to vote.
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I've never made a calc page before, especially since I'm on Mobile, but I mean there's a couple feats that can be used for it. Before calcing though there are a few that showcase him just moving past LS
 
Firestorm808 said:
To clarify, what are those 2 MTFL+ feats and their context? Are they depicted as casual effort or niche circumstances?
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The 2 MFTL+ feats are The Flash V4 Issue 04 and The Flash V4 Issue 19

The first one is based around Barry not being able to react in time because his speed mind was activated and he couldn't pull himself back to reality in time to activate his speed and dodge a bullet, so his body instinctively reacts and we are told that he can do so the "femtosecond" he feels a change in the air pressure around him (This ofc is never brought up again)

The 2nd one is a pretty one off, Barry Is just trying to do some research after his powers vanished for a bit and so he says the computer is slow. Its pretty casual but ofc that also never comes up or is relevant ever again
 
FroYoSans said:
The 2 MFTL+ feats are The Flash V4 Issue 04 and The Flash V4 Issue 19

The first one is based around Barry not being able to react in time because his speed mind was activated and he couldn't pull himself back to reality in time to activate his speed and dodge a bullet, so his body instinctively reacts and we are told that he can do so the "femtosecond" he feels a change in the air pressure around him (This ofc is never brought up again)

The 2nd one is a pretty one off, Barry Is just trying to do some research after his powers vanished for a bit and so he says the computer is slow. Its pretty casual but ofc that also never comes up or is relevant ever again
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I see.

Now we need to see how often is Flash comparable in speed to other consistently MFTL+ characters in JL crossover issues, etc.
 
FroYoSans said:
I've never made a calc page before, especially since I'm on Mobile, but I mean there's a couple feats that can be used for it. Before calcing though there are a few that showcase him just moving past LS
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If you're changing a value (this case being the MFTL one) to another (whatever you think is fair), then you gotta have the other value first. Also, you gotta talk about scaling chain, especially people that are directly scaling to Flash right now. What about them?
 
Tomfer said:
If you're changing a value (this case being the MFTL one) to another (whatever you think is fair), then you gotta have the other value first. Also, you gotta talk about scaling chain, especially people that are directly scaling to Flash right now. What about them?
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"The other value" Is vaguely between High Hypersonic (7 miles per second, since he can hit escape velocity) and some degree FTL since that's what's required to travel into the Speed Force.

As for scaling chain, it frankly doesn't matter, nothing is changing in the chain, Flash still scales to them combat speed and reaction wise (I've already admitted this before, he's frankly in a chain that makes him way faster than his solo run ever had him at but I can't argue with it since the feats are directly there and no one wants to dismantle a whole chain over New 52 Barry just being frankly unimpressive as Flashes go). And travel speed wise, he's faster than literally everyone on Earth and since he never runs in space we never see him scale to anyone's Space travel speed! Meaning he can remain the fastest on Earth without that interfering with anyone else's travel speed chain (Since no one but him could theoretically move that fast on Earth without causing irreparable harm)
 
Firestorm808 said:
Now we need to see how often is Flash comparable in speed to other consistently MFTL+ characters in JL crossover issues, etc.
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Someone else can do that, it was already a pain to comb 52 issues and 4 annuals of the Flash. I'll grab a few but I'm not doing all of them
 
Also just know I've got 12 days until i can't touch this thread for at least 2 months, so, hopefully something comes of this soon-ish
 
Honestly in order to give an excuse for not combing through more comic book issues I'm instead going to do some easy calcs:

First one that I dont need a calc for is simply Kid Flash hitting Escape Velocity, The Flash V4 Issue 21, which as cited Here is 11.2 km/s or 11,200 m/s or Mach 32.65. Other issues that calcs don't apply to are:
The Flash V4 Issue 0 (The 2nd link)
The Flash V4 Issue 2
The Flash V4 Issue 5
The Flash V4 Issue 7
The Flash V4 Issue 26 (First Link)
The Flash V4 Annual 2
The Flash V4 Annual 3 (2nd Link)
The Flash V4 Issue 47
The Flash V4 Issue 50 (1st Link)
The Flash V4 Issue 52 (2nd Link)

With that out of the way let's start with a rather easy one:
The Flash V4 Issue 0, when Barry travels from CC to East Africa in a short period of time. Now Central City has shifted from Ohio to Missouri, I'm not sure where it is in the New 52 as they never say so I'll do a different end for each.

Ohio to the Virunga Mountains:
Since it happens at a seemingly fast rate I'll do 1 second, 5 second and 10 second ends. Distance between Ohio and East Africa is around 6622 miles, given this calculator.
At the Different ends that's S=D/T
6622/1= 6622 Miles per second or Mach 31070.19 or 0.036c or Sub-Relativistic. That's the high end
6622/5= 1324 miles per second or Mach 6214.04 or Massively Hypersonic+. Thats the mid end
6622/10= 662.2 miles per second or Mach 3107.02 or Massively Hypersonic+. Thats the low end

Now for the Missouri End, using that same calculator we get a distance of 7147 miles
At our different times that's
7147/1= 7147 miles per second or Mach 33533.47 or 0.038c or Sub-Relativistic. Thats the high end
7147/5=1429.4 miles per second or Mach 6706.69 or Massively Hypsersonic+. Thats the mid end
7147/10=714.7 miles per second or Mach 3353.35 or Massively Hypersonic+. Thats the low end

Ill do some more later
 
FroYoSans said:
Alright here starts the collection of all his solo run feats:
The Flash V4 Issue 00
The Flash V4 Issue 00
The Flash V4 Issue 02
The Flash V4 Issue 03
The Flash V4 Issue 04
The Flash V4 Issue 04
The Flash V4 Issue 05
The Flash V4 Issue 07
The Flash V4 Issue 10
The Flash V4 Issue 19
The Flash V4 Issue 20
The Flash V4 Issue 20
The Flash V4 Issue 21
The Flash V4 Issue 22
The Flash V4 Issue 26
The Flash V4 Issue 26
The Flash V4 Issue 27
The Flash V4 Issue 28
The Flash V4 Issue 29
The Flash V4 Issue 30
The Flash V4 Annual 02
The Flash V4 Annual 03
The Flash V4 Annual 03
The Flash V4 Annual 03
The Flash V4 Issue 31
The Flash V4 Futures End Issue 001
The Flash V4 Issue 35
The Flash V4 Issue 41
The Flash V4 Issue 43
The Flash V4 Issue 44
The Flash V4 Issue 44
The Flash V4 Issue 47
The Flash V4 Issue 48
The Flash V4 Issue 50
The Flash V4 Issue 50
The Flash V4 Issue 51
The Flash V4 Issue 52
The Flash V4 Issue 52
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I think it's worth noting next to every link if the feat is casual or high effort (high effort meaning they displayed signs of actual strain such as grunting from high exertion, being in physical pain, and other context clues). That way we can tell what feats aren't a cap, and what feats serve as a soft cap (Or hard cap if they BARELY managed to pull off the feat).
 
LaserPrecision said:
I think it's worth noting next to every link if the feat is casual or high effort (high effort meaning they displayed signs of actual strain such as grunting from high exertion, being in physical pain, and other context clues). That way we can tell what feats aren't a cap, and what feats serve as a soft cap (Or hard cap if they BARELY managed to pull off the feat).
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Alright, as annoying as that will be thats fair, however one of these feats isn't quite like the rest. The first Flash V4 Issue 04 doesn't really compute, we know he barely survived because of his instinctive reaction but we have no idea how much effort that actually required since he was clocked out for the most part and sort of dodged unconsciously
 
FroYoSans said:
Alright, as annoying as that will be thats fair, however one of these feats isn't quite like the rest. The first Flash V4 Issue 04 doesn't really compute, we know he barely survived because of his instinctive reaction but we have no idea how much effort that actually required since he was clocked out for the most part and sort of dodged unconsciously
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Well tbf, that feat is only a reaction speed feat anyways. Next to feats that aren't combat or travel speed feats you can just write (reactions) or (perception), etc. Alternatively you can just write (not clear) since the intention isn't obvious too ig.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Well tbf, that feat is only a reaction speed feat anyways. Next to feats that aren't combat or travel speed feats you can just write (reactions) or (perception), etc. Alternatively you can just write (not clear) since the intention isn't obvious too ig.
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Alright
 
LaserPrecision said:
Well tbf, that feat is only a reaction speed feat anyways. Next to feats that aren't combat or travel speed feats you can just write (reactions) or (perception), etc. Alternatively you can just write (not clear) since the intention isn't obvious too ig.
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Alright thats done
 
Alright time to calc a bit more:
The Flash V4 Issue 03, Flash travels a 20 mile radius helping as many people as he can. Radius of a circle Is Pir^2
Throwing that into a calculator gives us an area of 1256.64 mi^2. Now obviously he didn't travel the entire square mileage we have to account for the buildings

Based on this source i found, the density of buildings vary from around 10% to over 50% given this, I figure it'd be best to just do different ends again, a low end of 70%, a mid end of 40% and a high end of 10%. This will give us the distances we're working with.
Alright let's start:
Low End Distance:
30% of 1256.64 = 376.992 mi^2
Mid End:
60% of 1256.64 = 753.984 mi^2
High End:
90% of 1256.64 = 1130.976 mi^2

As for a timeframe based on the fact that he's back at CCPD by what looks like dawn and other members of CCPD were able to go around and help the city without the Flash appearing, its safe to say this took him all night. Since we're already using different ends for distance i might as well use that for time as well. Dawn varies wildly around the US, however I'll be using 5:30 am as a basis since both Ohio and Missouri have dawn times around there.
I'll be assuming Midnight for a low end, 2 am for a mid end and 4 am for a high end.

Low End:
Starting at 12 gives us a timeline of 5.5 hours, or 330 Minutes
Mid End:
Starting at 2 gives us a timeline of 3.5 hours, or 210 Minutes
High End:
Starting at 4 gives us a timeline of 1.5 hours, or 90 minutes

Now the biggest pain for this was figuring out how to get a usable value out of this. Thankfully after some googling I found a thing called the "Swath Width" which is essentially how much of an area something can scan at any point in time. Since we're dealing with a human male we can use the human dimensions presented by this source to determine Barry's swath width is most likely around 5 feet or so, given his general walking shoulder to shoulder would be ≈ 18 inches I can imagine his covered area expanding to his full reach given his sprinting form.

That being said we can finally, finally calculate this, after converting each distance to regular miles using this formula:
Distance (in miles)= Area in mi^2×5280 (the amount of feet in a mile)/Swath Width

Low End:
Distance= 376.992 mi^2×5280/5ft
Distance= 398,103.552 miles

Mid End:
Distance= 753.984 mi^2×5280/5ft
Distance= 796,207.104 miles

High End:
Distance= 1130.976 mi^2×5280/5ft
Distance= 1,194,310.656 miles

Now we can finally find speed:

The Low Low End:
Speed= 398,103.552 miles/5.5 hours
Speed= 32357.9 m/s or Mach 94.34 or High Hypersonic+
The Mid Low End:
Speed= 398,103.552 miles/3.5 hours
Speed= 50848.1 m/s or Mach 148.25 or Massively Hypersonic
The High Low End:
Speed= 398,103.552 Miles/1.5 hours
Speed= 118645 m/s or Mach 345.90 or Massively Hypersonic
The Low Mid End:
Speed= 796,207.104 miles/5.5 hours
Speed= 64715.7 m/s or Mach 188.68 or Massively Hypersonic
The Mid Mid End:
Speed= 796,207.104 miles/3.5 hours
Speed= 101696 m/s or Mach 296.49 or Massively Hypersonic
The High Mid End:
Speed= 796207.104 miles/1.5 hours
Speed= 237291 m/s or Mach 691.81 or Massively Hypersonic
The Low High End:
Speed= 1,194,310.656/5.5 hours
Speed= 97073.6 m/s or Mach 283.01 or Massively Hypersonic
The Mid High End:
Speed= 1,194,310.656 miles/3.5 hours
Speed= 152544 m/s or Mach 444.73 or Massively Hypersonic
The High High End:
Speed= 1,194,310.656 miles/1.5 hours
Speed= 355936 m/s or Mach 1037.71 or Massively Hypersonic+
 
FroYoSans said:
Alright time to calc a bit more:
The Flash V4 Issue 03, Flash travels a 20 mile radius helping as many people as he can. Radius of a circle Is Pir^2
Throwing that into a calculator gives us an area of 1256.64 mi^2. Now obviously he didn't travel the entire square mileage we have to account for the buildings

Based on this source i found, the density of buildings vary from around 10% to over 50% given this, I figure it'd be best to just do different ends again, a low end of 70%, a mid end of 40% and a high end of 10%. This will give us the distances we're working with.
Alright let's start:
Low End Distance:
30% of 1256.64 = 376.992 mi^2
Mid End:
60% of 1256.64 = 753.984 mi^2
High End:
90% of 1256.64 = 1130.976 mi^2

As for a timeframe based on the fact that he's back at CCPD by what looks like dawn and other members of CCPD were able to go around and help the city without the Flash appearing, its safe to say this took him all night. Since we're already using different ends for distance i might as well use that for time as well. Dawn varies wildly around the US, however I'll be using 5:30 am as a basis since both Ohio and Missouri have dawn times around there.
I'll be assuming Midnight for a low end, 2 am for a mid end and 4 am for a high end.

Low End:
Starting at 12 gives us a timeline of 5.5 hours, or 330 Minutes
Mid End:
Starting at 2 gives us a timeline of 3.5 hours, or 210 Minutes
High End:
Starting at 4 gives us a timeline of 1.5 hours, or 90 minutes

Now the biggest pain for this was figuring out how to get a usable value out of this. Thankfully after some googling I found a thing called the "Swath Width" which is essentially how much of an area something can scan at any point in time. Since we're dealing with a human male we can use the human dimensions presented by this source to determine Barry's swath width is most likely around 5 feet or so, given his general walking shoulder to shoulder would be ≈ 18 inches I can imagine his covered area expanding to his full reach given his sprinting form.

That being said we can finally, finally calculate this, after converting each distance to regular miles using this formula:
Distance (in miles)= Area in mi^2×5280 (the amount of feet in a mile)/Swath Width

Low End:
Distance= 376.992 mi^2×5280/5ft
Distance= 398,103.552 miles

Mid End:
Distance= 753.984 mi^2×5280/5ft
Distance= 796,207.104 miles

High End:
Distance= 1130.976 mi^2×5280/5ft
Distance= 1,194,310.656 miles

Now we can finally find speed:

The Low Low End:
Speed= 398,103.552 miles/5.5 hours
Speed= 32357.9 m/s or Mach 94.34 or High Hypersonic+
The Mid Low End:
Speed= 398,103.552 miles/3.5 hours
Speed= 50848.1 m/s or Mach 148.25 or Massively Hypersonic
The High Low End:
Speed= 398,103.552 Miles/1.5 hours
Speed= 118645 m/s or Mach 345.90 or Massively Hypersonic
The Low Mid End:
Speed= 796,207.104 miles/5.5 hours
Speed= 64715.7 m/s or Mach 188.68 or Massively Hypersonic
The Mid Mid End:
Speed= 796,207.104 miles/3.5 hours
Speed= 101696 m/s or Mach 296.49 or Massively Hypersonic
The High Mid End:
Speed= 796207.104 miles/1.5 hours
Speed= 237291 m/s or Mach 691.81 or Massively Hypersonic
The Low High End:
Speed= 1,194,310.656/5.5 hours
Speed= 97073.6 m/s or Mach 283.01 or Massively Hypersonic
The Mid High End:
Speed= 1,194,310.656 miles/3.5 hours
Speed= 152544 m/s or Mach 444.73 or Massively Hypersonic
The High High End:
Speed= 1,194,310.656 miles/1.5 hours
Speed= 355936 m/s or Mach 1037.71 or Massively Hypersonic+
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This was painful to do
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but these should be the N52 speed feats from the respect thread.

Source Key
  • Action Comics (2011) = AC
  • Batman: The Dark Knight (2011) = B:TDK
  • The Flash (2011) = TF
  • The Flash (2016) = TFv2
  • Captain Atom = CA
  • Dark Nights: Metal = DN:M
  • Dark Knights Rising: The Wild Hunt = TWH
  • Superboy (2011) = SB
  • Supergirl (2011) = SG
  • Superman (2011) = SM
  • Superman (2018) = SM
  • Justice League (2011) = JL
  • Justice League (2016) = JLv2
  • Justice League (2018) = JLv3
  • Justice League Dark (2011) = JLD
  • Justice League: Darkseid War: Flash = JLDW:F
  • Justice League of America (2013) = JLA
  • Justice League of America (2015) = JLoA
  • Movement Speed:
    • Runs from his hospital room in Central City to the Virunga Mountains in East Africa (TF #0).
    • Outraces an explosion (TF #4).
    • Runs so fast he opens a large portal to the Speed Force (TF #7).
    • Saves people from falling out a crashing boat (TF #7).
    • Chases after Kid Flash around the world (TF #21).
    • Faster than Superman on foot (TF #26).
    • Runs on helicopter blades (TF #26).
    • Runs for days straight, crossing around the world six times while being affected by a powerful toxin (B:TDK #6-7).
    • A younger, weaker Superman can run at 25000 MPH (AC #7).
    • Superman says Barry can move at speed approaching light (AC #10).
    • Outraces Darkseid's Omega Beams by phasing through a Parademon (JL #5).
    • Apparently is the 2nd fastest person in the world (DC Nation).
  • Cyclone Creation:
    • Sucks an explosion into the atmosphere at speeds approaching light speed (TF #5).
    • Creates an air current with his arm that slams a dude into a wall (TF #1).
    • Slows the decent of a large boat (TF #6).
    • KO's Captain Cold and Heatwave by sucking the air out their lungs (TF #11).
    • Stops a train from crashing by creating a wind tunnel (TF #20).
    • Slows his decent (TF #26).
    • Steers a crashing plane in a direction (TF #26).
    • Directs an explosion upwards and snuffs out the flames (TF #26).
    • Makes Kara's head spin (SG #16).
  • Slipstreams:
    • Carries two 600 barges in his slipstream (TF #5).
    • Carries millions of gallons of water through a village (TF #10).
    • Carries a tank with him out of the Speed Force (TF #17).
  • Operational/Combat/Reaction Speed:
    • Dodges Grodd's strikes and hits him multiple times (TF #9).
    • Dodges Weather Wizard's lightning (TF #10).
    • Runs around fixing up Central City while talking to his therapist as Barry Allen (TF #30).
    • Pulls people out of the way of a nuclear explosion (CA #3).
    • Instinctively reacts to a bullet hitting his forehead the femtosecond he felt it (TF #4).
    • Fights with Supergirl and massively outspeeds her, but gets tagged because he's holding back (SG #16).
    • Claims he can evacuate Tokyo in 30 seconds (SG #17).
    • Casually dodges all of Superman's lunges until he gets hit by a well-placed flick (JL #2).
    • Races around Manhattan to find a building (JLD #20).
    • Finds Madame Xanadu almost instantly (JLD #20).
    • Runs throughout Manhattan saving people from monsters (JLD #21).
  • Processing/Perception Speed:
    • Goes through every genealogy record in the Central City Hall of Records since 1989 (TF #28).
    • From Flash's perspective, the JL Watchtower computers run slow... (TF #19).
    • Has a conversation with Captain Atom with the world in slow motion around them (CA #3).
  • The Speed Mind:
    • Can think so fast he thought of every possible outcome... (TF #2).
    • [Limitation] Can get stuck in this 'Speed Mind'... (TF #3).
    • Uses the Speed Mind to go job hunting (TF #11).
    • Uses the Speed Mind while comatose to figure out how to beat Grodd (TF #15).
    • Enters the Speed Force at will, takes Grodd with him (TF #16).
    • Uses the Speed Mind to learn how to use a Green Lantern ring (TF Annual #2).
 
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LaserPrecision said:
The equator is 40,075 Kilometers long. How long is every square meter in a 503 square mile city? First you need to convert square miles to square meters. Just googling that gives you a result of 1.303e+9 square meters. Now divide by 1000 for Kilometers. You get a result of 1,303,000 Kilometers. Which is way more distance than the equator (32x more). So traveling every square meter in a city would actually be more distance than walking around the equator. That said, it's physically impossible to walk every square meter in a city, because a lot of it is covered by buildings and shit.
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Unless I am misunderstanding what
"divide by 1000 for Kilometers" means, then what you are doing is converting square miles into square kilometers, and you are only getting a massive number because you did it wrong

1 square kilometer =1000000 square meters. Not 1000

500 square miles is around 1,295 km^2

But If we treat the city as a big line that is like 1 meter wide, then a line made from a 1,295 km^2 city would be

~ 1,295,000 km long

Which is actually really close to your number, because a 1.303e+9 meter^2 city would be 1.303e+9 meters long if it were 1m wide, and then you would /1000 to get it in km
 
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Antvasima said:
So what do Firestorm and Qawsedf think that we should do here? 🙏
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I have no idea, Qawsedf said he's disinterested in continuing to reply here and Firestorm doesn't really want to give an opinion until all feats are laid out and cross examined
 
Firestorm808 said:
Does anything from the crossovers on the Respect thread list stand out as MFTL?
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Not really. The biggest thing there you could count would be him outspeeding Supergirl, however I believe the label of "Operational Speed" there is disingenuous, his movement speed is heavily tied to this fight, they're not simply standing still or moving a few feet in their fight, Flash actively utilizes his movement speed during their fight, to call it "Operational" instead feels like a weird way to circumvent the "Movement speed cap" that Barry has. It definitely is also combat/reaction speed but he first escapes her chokehold by running behind her, he then dodges her heat vision and wind funnels her. Heck later in the fight he straight up charges her and vibrates her through a wall. This isn't simply combat speed anymore. The only thing that elevates this is the numerous statements from Supergirl where she says things like:
"He's fast...Faster than Kal...Maybe even faster than me"
"It all happens in less than a second...I've never moved so fast...I can feel my eyes my muscles my reactions all trying to keep up"
As well as actually fighting Supergirl.

Other than that the DC Nation Poster as well

One could argue the Flash dodging Superman though both were holding back

And other than that Flash outrunnning the Omega Beams

Those are the only 4 on that entire list that could be argued that way and it's got contradictions in it as well. Superman saying he can approach LS,

Running around the Earth only 6 times in a few hours at the earliest, in this same series he says he's spent over a day Supersonic (which means he probably took a day to run around the Earth 6 times) and then takes what is 10 seconds at the absolute shortest to go from Kansas to Gotham
 
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