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Unpopular Opinions and (Friendly) Rant thread
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ZespeonGalaxy
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not sure if its larping, just people being whiny about non issues.
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A lot of those whiners are larpers who don't know shit about what they're talking about.
It's either a psyop or just simply the Dunning-Kruger effect in motion, or grifting, among other reasons.
Imagine if GOW larpers start watching the HST?
They'd like Naruto because Naruto is in the first episode, then the next anime they'll say "Who is this oranged haired guy? Where is Bleach?"
It's either a psyop or just simply the Dunning-Kruger effect in motion, or grifting, among other reasons.
Imagine if GOW larpers start watching the HST?
They'd like Naruto because Naruto is in the first episode, then the next anime they'll say "Who is this oranged haired guy? Where is Bleach?"
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I remembered reading The Return of the Heavenly Demon and the Blood Jiangshi there are described as "existing between and both the planes of existence of the living and the dead" because they're undead and someone could definitely look at that and ask "Is this nonduality/transduality?"
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Although I don't really have stock invested in this particular verse anymore, I do feel glad that the staff finally banned the user (or group of users) who they willfully granted free reign to sockpuppet in the forum despite the mountains of evidence and admission of doing so.
It took them years to apparently gather evidence quietly but at least they did it, I guess. I doubt it'll be the last time we'll hear from them, whether it be because they make more sockpuppets or the staff welcomes them back after the duration of their ban so they can find more ways to evade punishment from breaking the rules and spread socks like a plague again.
It took them years to apparently gather evidence quietly but at least they did it, I guess. I doubt it'll be the last time we'll hear from them, whether it be because they make more sockpuppets or the staff welcomes them back after the duration of their ban so they can find more ways to evade punishment from breaking the rules and spread socks like a plague again.
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was it the tensura slime guy?
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Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer
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Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer
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I kinda want to see more matchups between good beings and evil beings (though beings that are neutral or have done both good acts and evil acts are harder to determine morality of) as well as matchups between teams of characters, but unsure as to how matchups between multiple (more than 2 beings in any party/side) is dealt with.
It isn't a rant, unsure how this opinion will be viewed, but it'd make for a good conversation topic as to what matchups that meet these criteria you all would like to see... (Maybe a separate thread can be made for listing them though.)
(Also, are we allowed to scale and do matchups with hypothetical/theoretical (both in the real world and in fiction) stuff?)
It isn't a rant, unsure how this opinion will be viewed, but it'd make for a good conversation topic as to what matchups that meet these criteria you all would like to see... (Maybe a separate thread can be made for listing them though.)
(Also, are we allowed to scale and do matchups with hypothetical/theoretical (both in the real world and in fiction) stuff?)
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Yeah.
They were already caught sharing each others' accounts to evade bans but one got a pass because they weren't the same guy so it wasn't sockpuppeting (the original report was they were the same person) and the other guy claims ignorance of the rules (surprise surprise they were in on it this whole time).
My account is actually ran by three users in a trench coat and they're goblins and shit.
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I just avoid any and all contact with anyone who scales Slime, DBH, Instant Death and Maou Gakuin. It's all haxslop.
Goblin Barrel
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I give a pass to haxlop verses if the supporters care enough about the low tiers.
Only caring about the top tiers results to shit profiles.
World of Darkness in the wiki is basically just Tier 2/1 slop. Majority of the stories in VTM and WTA don't even touch those nonsense.
Only caring about the top tiers results to shit profiles.
World of Darkness in the wiki is basically just Tier 2/1 slop. Majority of the stories in VTM and WTA don't even touch those nonsense.
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Godzilla Singular Point, which I scale, is a hilarious case of having low tiers that are also high tiers. Kinda have to scale everything in those cases. Regardless, I just don't like haxslop of the types I mentioned. "Ah yes, give me 50 layers of information manipulation type 2" "give me 125 layers of conceptual existence erasure" THEY HAVE PLAYED US FOR ABSOLUTE FOOLS
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The moment people bring up abilities with more than 1 layer is the moment I tap out of trying to scale that verse
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Somehow still better than the old "amount of minds manipulated" method
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Its really not.
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I never really understood that anyway, cause like, isn’t the amount of people affected just range? Like, I don’t care how many people you can mind manip, I care what you can actually do with it
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It is. Before if a character had mind hax it was near impossible to find a proper matchup for them as even a bit of a minds affected advantage was basically an instant win. In most cases a character resists like 1-2 people's worth of mind hax and so it was stomp after stomp. Now at least it works normally and if someone has a resistance then that resistance simply works. The verses with several layers usually aren't good to use in matchups anyways.
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Imagine mind/soul/whatever hax as water and the affected as glasses. Being able to pour into more glasses meant that you had more water. Being a bigger glass meant that you could take more water (hax potency and resistance respectivly). It follows that if, instead of pouring your water into 100s of glasses (You have the feat of affecting 100 people with your hax) youre pouring that water into a single glass, then unless said glass was big enough to hold all your water, it would be haxxed.
Granted, that system can and was only applied to instances where the user actively manipulated their victim with the hax, I.e if for example a picture exist, that mindhaxxed everyone that saw it, it would not scale with amount of affected, as it did not do so by exerting effort. In our water and glass analogy, it would be akin to always having exactly enough water to fill a specific size of glass, even if it filled billions of said glass. It cant produce more though.
Son, it literally just shifted the meta. A certain set of characters doesnt stomp anymore? Cool, but you just created a different set that does now.
You put different makeup on the same pig. Back then it was Star Wars and Dies Irae, now its whatever powerscaling slop. Nothing changed.
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Whilst it made sense in a way, at the same time when we look at all the mind hax in fiction it just doesn't work that way. Most times its simple - guy has mind hax, other guy resists mind hax, that's it. Whilst the water idea is a cool system, it is, none the less, an idea and not reflective of fiction in general. To add to this, the abilities we see most of the time really don't show any sign of being intensified against a singular opponent. Essentially, there's no evidence that they 'can' pour more water into a glass. Finally, hax isn't water, it is an ability with its own set of circumstances when it can be appplied. The old system essentially treated it as a sort of energy system but the reality is "I can mind control a person" doesn't guarantee "I can actually mind control people harder if I concentrate".
Grandpa, if the meta made the set of characters that stomp everyone smaller by percentage then that's already an improvement. So many cool matchups became possible that weren't before since layers are more so rare while mind count isn't.
It wasn't SW and Dias Irae alone. Sure, those were big, but when you look at it wider then you'll see how bad it was. A single psychic pokemon with hypnosis could solo countless people by virtue of that one Drowzee feat in the millions. Anyone with resistance to mind hax that only scaled to a single digit might as well not have had that resistance. This extended to stuff like soul hax as well, matches would die before they even began.
Layers are present in a limited amount of verses whilst the number system was a universal thing that rendered many more matches useless.
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I do wonder how powerscaling accounts for other story mechanics like Deus/Diabolus Ex Machina or plot armour or power creep/seep or whatever the self-perpetuating fictional cycle/paradox of empowerment and depowerment of characters for the sake of the plot/narrative is called though welp (particularly in the cases where there really is no real or fictional explanation).
At a certain point, logic and realism fall apart in favour of imagination and fictionalism which can lead to either brilliance/genius and wonder/awe or chaos and madness/insanity/absurdity (or both). We just gotta live with it, oof.
(A bit ironic how a lot of our most powerful fictional/mythological supernatural/paranormal/praeternatural beings are basically retold/remade/altered/edited/modified/changed versions of old, even ancient, fables/aesops/stories/tales/epics.
Kinda hearkens/harkens back to the ideas of change being a constant and yet how the more things change the more they stay the same/nothing ever changes... oof, at this point the conservation of energy analogy would be apt here, nothing is created or destroyed, all are merely converted or preserved.)
(Yes, I use way too many synonyms.)
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Honestly it'd be very funny if we discover empirical evidence of universal structure in our time and end up having to make every Low 2-C feat after that discovery High 1-C or something lmao.
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they will make high 1-C new low 2-C so next high 1-C is 6.. nevermind
Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer
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Syndrome reference
First light, now time... wonder if anyone will be able to sample whole cosmic bodies (asteroids, comets, etc... unsure about any extrasolar bodies) eventually.
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All mind hax is a bold claim when the system was used precisly because it was widely applicable minus the cases where active effort was not excerted for the ability.
Fictions most popular and known version of mind hax, Star Wars, literally works that way.
No shit hax isnt water, you know what a analogy/metaphor is? Nor is the implication that it treats hax as a energy system. The old system worked because abilities, whose properties were not passivly inducing whatever effect, were fundamentally effort based. If we assume that a mind haxer has to keep a level of control over their ability in order to facilitate said ability, it stands to reason that doing so for 2 at the same time is harder than for 1 victim. Like, this boils down to "We dont know how exactly this ability work, therefor any notion of it is meaningless and wrong". We will have this song and dance in a couple years and then everyone will moan and ***** about how dumb layers were. Just takes 1 verse that consistently stomps through layers and 1 dude annoyed enough to make a thread.
But is the set actually smaller now? Do you not conviently ignore that the new system was a blanket buff to video game and alike series with levels to their resistances? Are shounen series now not running around with massive layers thanks to their power escalation structure?
Was that also really the case? Do you genuinly believe that back then, more than a handful of series had noteably potency under the old system? Was it really worse back as to 1000 layer fear hax Demon Slayer? Or God of Highschool? Or 50 Layers of Bleach Soul hax?
We can argue all days over the intricacys of every system, but to pretend that Layering is better because fewer verses abuse it (baseless) is laughable. I mean it when I said that we put different makeup on the same pig.
Its all dumb in the end, but I'm tired of the narrative that amount of something was this dumb and illogical system, when it made perfect sense and was a reasonable abstraction to how esotheric haxes may be measured, that also put it in line with every other measureable ability.
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Instead we got layered fire manipulation. Now tell me chat, what is better; 1000 Degree celcius resistance or 50 layers into 100 degree celcius resistance?
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1000 degrees celcius, since science says a character with 100 degrees resistance would vaporize instantly upong being hit by a 101 degrees attack
Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer
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Yeah, same (1000 degrees), Occam's/Ockham's razor should logically win out here.
I sorta want to toss toon force into the discussion for the memes along with the prior mentioned paradoxical (and at times unexplainable/inexplicable) random strengthening and weakening of characters over time, but eh.
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The correct answer is to not layer ******* fire manipulation, because that shit is dumb for that very reason. Or any hax that has measureable potency.
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wHat if the fire is created through a High 1-A god spawning it at 3-D potency in small amounts.
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Then i would take a gun and shoot myself.
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And clearly it was changed and we don't see much of that nowadays.
Besides Dias Irae (which is dead) and SW (which only recently started getting revived) what other series showed that mind haxxing more people meant you'd have a stronger potency of hax? Basing it all off of SW doesn't seem productive and I genuienly don't remember it being based on pepople count in the first place.
Chill old man, I am also going off of a metaphor
If we use the range to scale it then it essentially does
That's not a guarantee here and whilst I do get the original system's purpose, again, the whole point is that countless other mind hax forms aren't effort based but rather abilities that just serve a purpose, having essentially a set goal that they fulfill with the amount not really mattering beyond range.
Yes, the set is smaller. I only see layers get mentioned in tier 2 matches which are 99.9% of the time stomps anyways. Sure there's some in the lower tiers but there's a big difference between having a set amount of characters get affected by layers and all the characters being affected by the head count.
DS is someday getting nerfed anyways, GoH idk but Bleach was annoying with or without layers, the matches were always asinine. I genuienly believe the layer system improved things as I very often hit the wall of "you get insta-screwed by big number so your match will never work", something I've experienced far far less nowadays.
It is better because at the very least every hax user match now doesn't start with an argument about how many people they mind controlled. Now if a guy has mind hax resistance then it doesn't matter what dimension or what amount of minds it can reach, the hax will not affect him, making matches actually viable far more often. You call it baseless when it's every single hax user being affected vs only a certain amount of hax users being affected.
It was an option of how an esotheric hax could be measured but in the end there isn't one way to skin it here, if we actually go deep into it then we'll end up realizing that most mind hax just work on completely different frameworks from each other, we just can't use all of them. It was an option between layers and range and I have found range to be far more burdensome of a thing as it cockblocked most matches between haxy characters.
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I haven't seen anyone use layers for fire and radiation and such. Whenever I'm in a match we just see who shoots hotter, it's clear that someone who resists 1000 degrees would be able to somewhat tank 1500 degrees but get affected fully by somewhere around 3000 degrees. Layers to heat res are completely pointless on a conceptual level unless we're talking full heat immunity being bypassed (which in this case would be immunity negation)
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We wont see eye to eye on this so i will drop it here. Just one last comment.
Lol. Lmao
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