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Xenoblade Chronicles Discussion Thread
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Here is the guide, but forgot what page mentions that a phase transition even happening every 10000 years or so where universe gets destroyed and recreated during the each time Zanza and Meyneth fight each other. But no matter how many phase transitions happen, Memory Space is unaffected and still in tact. That, and it's still the native realm of Zanza and Meyneth has mentioned above and where passage of fate is written and foreseen.
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Y'know, I've only just had another realization about this, and it makes any prospective cameo of the 'real' Yuriev even worse to Blade, because it'd technically mean he's died like 3-4 times in canon (once if he didn't survive the White Whale leaving him behind (not unlikely, given no reference to him in XCXDE), a further 2 times between him assimilating Nigredo + the events of Abel's Ark, and half a point re: his involvement for Klaus's experiment depending on how much you buy into the 'split timeline' (needless to say, I don't)). And before anyone brings up U.R.T.V-hopping to circumvent his mortality, that doesn't take account of the fact that Mims are not U.R.T.Vs (not that most U.R.T.Vs from his institute in Zavarov were actually all that fit for purpose, but still). Either Yuriev explicitly required U.R.T.Vs as a host (which would shoot all narrative stakes in the throat given how far Mims can go in circumventing immortality (unlikely, given one of Gwin's mates is said to be dead in action and is never acknowledged again)), or we're insinuating he could wait until after NLA found another planet that wasn't Mira, meaning that U.R.T.Vs are either A) obsolete to him, or B) he didn't get to work on the designer children at a time where he wouldn't be able to upload his mortality to anything, depending on if he was above utilizing a Mim or not like everyone else.
To me, this is another rebuttal to the whole 'Ghosts = Gnosis' thing. If Ghosts really were Gnosis (the latter of which being created because of a rejection of CU in death(s) that U-DO supposedly causes), and all of this is just 'childlike curiousity', then I don't think that'd lead Abel/U-DO to have the mental faculties to turn around to Earth + Mira and say 'f*ck these two planets in particular' (unless you want to say Void is another part of Abel, which doesn't work because it'd retcon Abel (and to a lesser extent Fei from Gears) as a Sammarian for no reason). It's also another reason I reject the idea that the Ares Prime's 'totally not Ouroboros cores' are Zohar Emulators (as per Luxin). That to me is a grift you could spot from friggin' Pluto.
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I'm late, my bad, but I'm just revisting this comment and I cannot find any mention of this 1000 years thing in the comment you mentioned, much less about mentioning the fact that there were multiple space time transition events, if you could specify it to me that would be helpful
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btw I recently came across this doc debunking xenoblade current end feats on a debate of Nia vs Blaze the cat and wanted to know yall's thoughts on it (the "no endless universes has already been debunked bc of XDE straight up confirming the universe being infinite but I'm curious on the other arguments made)
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I took a quick look. My biggest question is the whole "No one affected the cosmology" thing. While its technically true for the Multiverse, people have affected domains higher than it such as Memory Space (case in point being Shulk, Alvis and Zanza). So I don't know where they are going with that. The reasoning against the higher dimensionals stuff is...no reason at all, it is quite literally put at "no lol". There is quite literally no elaboration on anything to try go against just "I don't think this is enough" which is entirely subjective.
Though this give me some interesting information, I was looking to get the Ether Big Bang at the end of 1 calc'd since Xenoblade has a UES accepted and from my understand of it (basically from what Glass has told me UES works) I can use it to scale the speed of the ether to characters (directly it'd be scaling to Alvis but given a lot of characters can fight Alpha this would affect a lot of people). I'm also curious as to why they didn't bring up the Heart to Heart between Fiora and Riki on the Bionis head. It goes over how even at light speed, you'll never encounter anything. If we use the Xenoblade universes being infinite then the Ether big bang would actually end up as infinite (which is actually consistent with Alpha dropping in and out of Aionios via his fog portals).
On another note, I talked with Glass about the Rift Between Worlds. From what he understood of it, he believes it could qualify as a higher dimensional structure. The comparison he made for it is what God of War currently has with Yggdrasil. So that'd be something to look into in the future.
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Also, there are plenty of in game quotes where he says, "I will do battle with Meyneth once more" meaning they've had multiple battles. Also, right as you're about to fight Zanza, he literally says, "I will then create a new world! Just as I have done many times before." Quite literally blatant the Space-Time transition feat happens more than once via that statement
No offense, but this is getting real annoying. I do not care what random trolls you keep quoting come from. But all of this is just arguing out of pure ignorance and there are no actual "Debunks" to any of the feats. Either read our damn blogs or stay away from discussing, and avoid bringing offsite controversies here as it does nothing but pesters/annoys people who worked hard here to make sure everything was sourced.
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ok I'm sorry but this is legitimately being rude for no reason, literally the only reason I posted this here is bc I see xenoblade discussions in many spaces and come across some points being made and go "huh, that's interesting, I'm gonna put it on the thread to get a discussion out of it, see what others think if there's anything legitimate", I'm not posting angry "DEATH BATTLE BARDOCK VS OMNIMAN DEBUNK" videos here, hell the person who made it isn't some troll, much less bringing up some controversy (at most the doc does adress that it's tied to a prior discussion prior but that's not a controversy, it's just tied to a previous discussion), it's someone who genuinely disagree with the cosmology and stat placements and expressed it as much, and I just saw some points about it and the speed feats and thought it would be interesting to comment on here, aka I wanted to discuss this, which is the entire point of powerscaling like this, to adress any points both sides can make people can bring in arguments and then we look into it, and telling me "either agree with what we already previously agreed in here or stay away from here" you made earlier is something that genuinely offends me
if you believe anything I brought up here comes off as disrespectful, then I do apologize, never at any point it was ever my intention to do as much, much less discredit blogs anyone made here, as I said before I just wanted to discuss points made against previous agreed stats, nothing more or less, but I also find this response to be very rude
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I saw that point yeah, tough I do wonder if there is any point that can be made on where it's placed on the cosmology hierarchy, since I'm not sure where the passage of fate would be compared to the rift of worlds
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We have a cosmology blog going over everything such as where the Passage of Fate fits into it all. Using it and we slot in the Rift Between Worlds, it comes around to something like this
Multiverse < Rift Between Worlds < Memory Space/Passage Of Fate < Far-Flung Dimension
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Calling a post "annoying" isn't rude, it's a valid concern.
That's not exactly a very good reason. While posting random videos or offsite links in itself is grey area, it's still frowned upon and ill advised to just randomly dump offsite articles or discussions that add nothing new and are repeats of topics we already heard 1000 times over. Some of the absolute worst examples historically have been videos from SethTheProgrammer, Threads from CharacterRant, and people who came from GameFAQs threads. You know, too many flash blacks for comments like this.
The issue is you still said the word Debunk. To "Debunk" something means it 100% proves something is "Objectively wrong" which the article you shared does not. And therefore, it never "Debunked" anything. It simply had empty statements, no scans, and the attitude of the doc was literally "It's not infinite or higher-D because I said so." The infinite size statements are too consistent with no contradictions to ignore, and various characters are 6-D (Soon to be 7-D by Josh's comment) via sheer physiology with them not being infinitely superior to others.
It's still preferable if people come here to make their own arguments instead of randomly linking offsite discussions that shouldn't even be the staff or community's job to address for the umpteenth time. Nobody likes constant repeats of the same things we heard far too many times. Moreover, I find them especially annoying if I had only just got up and in a hurry to get ready for my RL job and there was a surprise shadow drop posts consisting of arguments that make me rephrase the CJ memes.
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oh yeah I should ask but is this currently our main thread discussion blog? can't find any other recent ones so I I got curious
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It is, no other xeno thread really caught on like this one so its just been stuck with.
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we prolly should start a new one maybe, idk, xenoblade scaling has been frozen since and we haven't done anything about the new info with xenoblade x, just spiballing the idea
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We have a Discord server too, and we regularly still talk in DMs and such. There isn't really a need to remake the thread; this forum doesn't have a 500 post limit unlike Fandom did back when they had Discussion Boards. That being said, I think Josh is working on the content revision to upgrade to 7-D levels of 1-C. We make our content revisions when we're ready.
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mind if I ask for a server invite?
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Is it worth attaching the invite to the server to the front of this thread?
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Oh, that old server? That's been dead for a good while. More discussion happens here than in that server so personally I don't really see a point to it.
If there is something that needs to be discussed here works just as well.
If there is something that needs to be discussed here works just as well.
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It was mainly private to perhaps discuss projects while avoiding troll raids, but that's not as common as it used to and Tier 1 ratings/scaling are basically becoming more popular. So it has been quiet, but I still hear other still talk things in DMs. That being said, the server creator; ThatsaFloridathing as been MSA for years.
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Guys do we have a discord or something? I'm in the midst of playing the Xenosaga series and could put scans I have somewhere, but if not then I'll just put them in a private server, since I do wanna get to making Xenosaga profiles (and creating the verse) eventually if ya'll don't mind/alr have plans in motion
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Not any active ones, there were some in the past but they've either been deleted or left entirely inactive.
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Well rip...ig I'll compile feats in a random private server, but do you guys mind me working on Xenosaga eventually? Or have plans to do that alr? I don't wanna mess anything up for ya'll
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Knock yourself out. I've got no current plans with Xenosaga. I don't plan to try connect it with Blade until Xenoblade 4 or so to see where everything in Future Redeemed goes.
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Alright, thanks for your blessing man, also likewise I don't plan to connect it to the blade games either until the potential 4th game (heard there might be a link there) but tbf I still haven't even fully played through XB1 (I'm almost done with it though) and I still have to play 1's DLC and 3. The order I played it in was 2->1->Saga->3 lol, little botched but eh...
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That's a unique play order. Some people already connect them due to KOS-MOS lore in 2's artbook and Future Redeemed getting a Xenosaga licence to make reference/name drop a character/aspects. Personally if they were connected I would not put them in the same universe given that causes a lot of problems with the continuity but rather have them parallel worlds in the multiverse akin to what X is.
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Lol, yeah...well I've been pretty on and off with the games (I first played 2 back in 2024 almost 2 years ago now) and was getting my ass handed to me on XB1 by the Telethia for a bit (not to mention I wasn't as hooked early on in XB1 as I was in XB2 which...I binged in a week while having a huge workload at the time lol)
100% agree there, and yeah...that does create a crap ton of continuity problems if they were in the same literal universe, but if it's just a shared universe (or ig to use a better term a megaverse) then I'd agree, that's kinda how I alr see it tbh
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I didn't even know this profile existed, ig it's safe to use it as a basis for the cosmology right?
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Also, just making sure, you don't want me to add saga as a tabber of the Xeno series page right? You want me to make it its own thing? Or...?
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Oh that's a VERY old profile. I wouldn't use it personally given its primarily the Wave Existence from Gears and not anything from Saga. If ya want something for Saga's cosmology there was this awhile back.
Making a new one would honestly be best, I plan at some point to rename it back to "Xenoblade" since that is what its all about. Another page can be made for the Xeno Series as a whole.
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Yeah I was just about to go get that, thanks. Also alright, the page said Xenosaga/Xenogears and even mentions Albedo using it, so I thought it might have existed in both games, but alr good to know
Okay then, will do, I mean I'm like 65...? Percent done with the 1st game, so far just at the surface there's already a decent amount of stuff, ofc Gnosis intang/invul, decon, KOS-MOS huge ass range with her Hilbert Effect being like effortlessly large star level, she got some creation and/or matter manip, ton of enhanced sense/ESP stuff, the whole nine yards. I'll probably have to give the game a replay with a sole focus of gathering feats, but for rn at least it's pretty easy to just make a mental note of all the plain and obvious stuff
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Though I'm sure the other games will probably add some backward scaling or provide context to some other stuff, but I'll finish all 3 games before I immediately start truly dishing out on profiles, but I might make a WIP page for the verse and KOS-MOS sometime this week or smth if I feel down for it
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If ya want a hand with abilities I can help out there. Gnosis from what I heard are pretty insane being capable of interacting with people while existing within the Imaginary Numbers Domain (which to my knowledge from that blog is a higher dimension) with the Hilbert Effect being used to drag them down into their reality. Or Gnosis being capable of corrupting others into becoming Gnosis themselves which going off of that blog on how everything in the Imaginary Numbers Domain is abstract would make conceptual corruption. That sounds fun.
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For sure, should we make a separate discussion thread as to not clog this one?
Yeah lol, whole lotta fun stuff there, I'm def looking forward to see what we can cook up
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No need for that tbh, this one isn't used for a whole lot and Xenosaga is mentioned enough here anyways for it be fine to be discussed.
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oh yeah we def need proper xenosaga profiles, tough we might wanna make sure we keep it separate from gears and blade, to make sure, looking at each as is
also how is the update to the blade cosmology I've seen brought up here before? is that still being planned or worked on? just out of curiosity
also how is the update to the blade cosmology I've seen brought up here before? is that still being planned or worked on? just out of curiosity
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I've been workin on it. Ain't doing 7-D yet as I wanna get other stuff done first. Shouldn't be too long now.
