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I believe we have enough info to suggest Six paths chakra.. Six paths senjustu is when you mix Nature energy with six paths chakra.
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This Cant be the case unless naruto lost six paths chakra as an adult....... Or he doesnt mix it for some reason, I think its temporary.
Base Six Paths sage naruto should have both six paths chakra and Sage chakra but yet he doesnt have six paths senjutsu
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Yes he has six paths senjustu. Six paths Sage mode is literally Six Paths Senjustu.
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There is no six paths senjutsu here, He has no truth seeking orbs, yet has both six paths chakra and Senjutsu
This is Six paths Senjutsu, as evideced by the symbol on his back
Madara, Juubito and Hagoromo have this, and they have the passive truth seeking orbs, Naruto does here but does not as an adult
Kaguya can make them but doesnt just have them behind her.
Also nearly all of these characters lose the six paths senjutsu passively and are unable to use it to make more truth seeking orbs
Six paths chakra should let u resist Truth seeking orbs, Senjutsu should too, No reason to need Six Paths Senjutsu when thats literally never been used to counter The Truth seeking orbs unironically
otsutsuki should get them because sasukes susanoo arrows can interact with them.... And he only has rinnegan and no six paths senjutsu
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Are we still debating on Adult Naruto having six paths Senjutsu at this stage of the story!?
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He obviously doesnt have six paths senjutsu as an adult. Otherwise hed have Truth seeking orbs. He has Six Paths sage mode, which is a different thing
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The exact panel you posted says “awakened” do you awaken something and all of a sudden disawaken it? Why would Naruto lose his awakening and not Sasuke’s, that symbol is representative of being the ten tails jinjurikin which Naruto was pseudoly due to having all 9 beast chakra. Even without the cloak naruto could kick away TSO.
There is no six paths senjutsu here, He has no truth seeking orbs, yet has both six paths chakra and Senjutsu
This is Six paths Senjutsu, as evideced by the symbol on his back
Madara, Juubito and Hagoromo have this, and they have the passive truth seeking orbs, Naruto does here but does not as an adult
Kaguya can make them but doesnt just have them behind her.
Also nearly all of these characters lose the six paths senjutsu passively and are unable to use it to make more truth seeking orbs
Six paths chakra should let u resist Truth seeking orbs, Senjutsu should too, No reason to need Six Paths Senjutsu when thats literally never been used to counter The Truth seeking orbs unironically
otsutsuki should get them because sasukes susanoo arrows can interact with them.... And he only has rinnegan and no six paths senjutsu
The TSO is a different issue certain characters like Hamura, Toneri could produce them without being stated to have senjustu, Kaguya didn’t have them randomly floating at her back and only used it once, Naruto on the other hand got like 10 and never produced himself anymore, after losing them in the fight with Sasuke did he all of a sudden lose six paths senjustu?
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Yes
Toneri Disawakened Tensaigan, and he also gradually lost the truth seeking orbs as he fought, just like naruto
My definition of six paths senjutsu makes sense with the imagery of narutos back, yours of it just being six paths chakra with senjutsu doesnt make any sense at all and just changes the definition to fit something else
its not all of a sudden, Naruto got hit with a Big boom and lost them , just like toneri lost the tensaigan but didnt die, They have never been permenant
Anyway dont derail the thread any further Staying on topic otsutsuki should get the resistences if Sasuke with a rinnegan can have em
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Yeah at this point I feel like we should shift to mainly six paths chakra
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However I still think six paths senjitsu is viable via Jigens absorption of the 10 tails chakra and him not being shocked or anything by the nature energy of it.
Plus with how Otsutsuki gobble up chakra fruit across the universe I think it would be foolish to presume that nature energy isn't being passed down linealy like six paths chakra like with Ashura and Indra.
Plus with how Otsutsuki gobble up chakra fruit across the universe I think it would be foolish to presume that nature energy isn't being passed down linealy like six paths chakra like with Ashura and Indra.
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I agree that Otsutsuki have Six Paths chakra. That should be standard knowledge by now. SIx Paths chakra is gotten from consuming chakra fruits, or combining indra and ashura chakra (in the case of Madara)
But I do not think they have Six Paths Senjutsu. That is a specific ability which has to be awokened. And it is very Juubi-specific. Nothing suggests pure Otsutsuki can use senjutsu. They likely have to merge with the juubi for that (in Kaguya's case)
But I do not think they have Six Paths Senjutsu. That is a specific ability which has to be awokened. And it is very Juubi-specific. Nothing suggests pure Otsutsuki can use senjutsu. They likely have to merge with the juubi for that (in Kaguya's case)
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SPS is just SPC plus some nature energy. No "awakening" is needed
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Loud Incorrect buzzer
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No. Senjutsu is utilized via awakening, with the highest point of the awakening being Sage Mode.
Nobody just starts applying nature energy.
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Can we just leave the SPS path and just focus of SPC. We is enough for resistance.
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For the SPC,
They would get resistance to TSB's ability scaling to Sasuke.
The premise should be that SPC is gotten from consuming chakra fruit which all Original Otsutsuki have consumed at some point. There's nothing special about Earth's chakra fruit besides its chakra being very dense but not different, if not Momoshiki would have noted it after sensing Naruto's chakra.
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It could get confusing when trying to explain SPSM (state) from SPS (techniques).
The xplanation is:
As an adult, Naruto retains the divine state (SPSM) achieved from Hagoromo's blessing, but doesn't use the techniques (SPS) associated with that state (SPSM) because he doesn't fuse the chakras of the tailed beasts as one.
He just uses Kurama's chakra alongside the SPSM state, which gives him Kurama-specific techniques. However, he can borrow power from the little tailed beast chakras still within him (which never disappear) - reason why he used lava rasenshuriken against Delta.
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The problem is that all Six Paths Chakra and its subsequent abilities have come from Kaguya, and all of those who inherited her chakra, providing us no evidence that it would equate to other unrelated Otsutsuki outside of assumption.
The Rinnegan, at least, is something we know that Otsutsuki gain through evolution as they eat more god trees, and something Otsutsuki that are completely unrelated to each other have shown.
Also, not a fan of brushing off the fact that each Shinju is different innately. If each fruit has the biological information of everything on the planet it's grown from, then why would the senjutsu (natural energy) or the special Six Paths chakra that we've only seen from one lineage of Otustsuki that gained power from the fruit of one planet be equated to another without proof?
The Rinnegan, at least, is something we know that Otsutsuki gain through evolution as they eat more god trees, and something Otsutsuki that are completely unrelated to each other have shown.
Also, not a fan of brushing off the fact that each Shinju is different innately. If each fruit has the biological information of everything on the planet it's grown from, then why would the senjutsu (natural energy) or the special Six Paths chakra that we've only seen from one lineage of Otustsuki that gained power from the fruit of one planet be equated to another without proof?
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You'll need to separate Six Paths chakra from Six Paths Techniques. Hagoromo's techniques are his own six paths techniques, and Kaguya does not possess all of them. Kaguya has her own techniques derived from the same chakra that Hagoromo coined as the term "six paths chakra". Those techniques can be inherited by his descendants if they awaken his chakra. The so-called "six paths chakra" Hagoromo has is something he inherited from Kaguya, and the original chakra fruit Kaguya consumed.
Kaguya consumed the chakra fruit of the planet before humans even gained the use of chakra and special genetics, and that was what was translated into Hagoromo as so-called "six paths chakra". And this was a partial chakra fruit seeing not everyone died.
Otsutsuki have been consuming humanities chakra plus other living things, on other planets for centuries. There is absolutely no proof nature energy is different per planet.
Rinnegan has always been linked to Six Paths. It has been called the "eyes of the Six Paths" from the start. Hagoromo is not its first user, the Juubi or Shibai or first O god is. Momoshiki has the rinnegan in both palms, and acquired another Rinnegan from consuming chakra from Kinshiki.
The idea of earth's chakra fruit being special is not justified in any scan beside fan theory. We have Kurama referring Jura as the Ten Tails on just sensing him for the first time, proving there isn't any difference between his ten tails chakra and the War Arc Ten Tail's.
The Otsutsuki all possess six paths chakra, but six paths senjutsu requires innate ability which can be argued they do not possess, for now.
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There’s not proof that all Nature energy is the same either.
but considering how we’re told that the Shinju absorb the unique biology to further evolve an Otsutsuki you can definitely make the case that each planet shouldn’t be automatically “evolving” ones chakra in the exact same way.
The Rinnegan were called the eyes of the Six Paths by Shinobi that were unfamiliar with Otsutsuki lore.
Realistically they are a mutated eye that they develop in the process of evolution after eating Shinju.
We know this bc we see the Rinnegan patterns on each Shinju we’ve see and have seen the Rinnegan on pretty much every Otsutsuki we’ve seen.
The idea that Chakra Fruits take in the biological information of the planet they’re on isn’t fan theory.
If every planet has different Biology then naturally its contents will differ.
And if its contents differ then it’s easier to argue that it shouldn’t automatically birth the same abilities.
Nature energies abilities already vary from animal variant to animal variant (with some similarities) so it’s not unfounded that different “nature” can invoke different properties into their Senjutsu/chakra.
Even the individual Bijuu, all pieces of the same Senjutsu chakra, all grew with completely different abilities tied to their being despite all coming from the exact same place.
Why would being able to recognize that a being is completely made of Senjutsu automatically mean that there isn’t a difference?
We’ve seen regular Senjutsu users able to sense Six Paths Senjutsu and recognize it despite their differences.
Also why would this even matter? They don’t have to be uniquely sensed to have different properties or grant different abilities.
There isn’t proof that they possess either, and if you have to make that distinction then that just goes to show that there are abilities that the Earth Shinju unlocked for its cast that none of the other Otsutsuki have demonstrated.
If they provably don’t have Six Paths Senjutsu then why would they have Six Paths chakra? When all Six Paths chakra users gained their chakra from Six Paths Senjutsu.
The proof just isn’t there and especially with recent staff CRTs pertaining to this kind of topic, we’re just not giving abilities to ppl that haven’t demonstrated them, that require a charitable train of logic to argue for.
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Rinnegan is Rinnegan
This Otsutsuki are familiar with the Rinnegan and most of them possess it already.
Different planet different types of nature energy all head canons. The ten tails it self is exactly the same Nature energy in the world, btw it does not originate from earth for us to say it's specifically Earth's nature yet Naruto says it's the same thing.
Let's focus on the topic, how do you awaken a Rinnegan by the current Naruto lore?
So outside of Nagato who was given Madara’s eyes, to awaken every other person needed Hagoromo type of chakra specific? What is Hagoromo type chakra ?
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Bro nature energy is nature energy.
Are we now creating a difference that doesn't exist anywhere in the manga?
The Rinnegan was called "eye of the six paths" by Ma and Pa who are very familiar with Otsutsuki lore from the Great Toad Sage who was close to Hagoromo.
The Rinnegan is the biological eye of the Ten Tails fueled by its chakra. When the Juubi's chakra was separated from its body, the rinnegan disappeared and it became the empty husk "Gedo Mazo"
The Otsutsuki inherit the rinnegan by consuming a chakra fruit which contains the genetic info and chakra of the ten tails as well
No. You see how we have to keep on making up stuff. There is nowhere in the manga that states different content means different abilities.
The different abilities (shinjutsu) is a function of the Otsutsuki evolution which is a ladder towards godhood and culminates in the Otsutsuki having the same set of Shinjutsu once they reach godhood.
Shibai didn't consume the same genetic info in his chakra fruits, yet has the same set of shinjutsu the other Otsutsuki have achieved.
You'll need explicit statements to make that assumption that the powers they awaken has something to do with content of each chakra fruit. The Otsutsuki themselves develop their own unique abilities, yes, but saying it has something to do with the content of the chakra fruit would require explicit statements.
They vary due to different genetic profiles and mind of each animal, not different nature energy. However they are collectively have almost the same set of abilities in the same specie.
Hagoromo created the bijuu and gave them individuality (unique body and mind), so therefore different abilities.
I'm giving you an example of how chakra is similar even when they are a different specie of the Ten Tails because you have been alluding to different genetics means completely different chakra.
Ten Tails chakra is Ten Tails chakra. There is a shared similarity of Ten Tails chakra.
Different abilities is not always a function of different chakra, my guy.
Individual genetics and unique minds play a role in giving different abilities to chakra. For instance, the Uchiha collectively have Uchiha chakra but get different abilities from the mangekyou.
Now the only reason why I don't give Otsutsuki the six paths senjutsu is that it requires direct proof that they utilize sage techniques, and I have to have seen a direct visual proof just like how we have seen with the rinnegan.
Kaguya has the benefit of the doubt because she fused with the Juubi, and has shown techs like TSB.
However, six paths chakra is not a technique. Six Paths chakra is Hagoromo's term for the chakra from his mother, who became the Shinju. We have direct statements of Hagoromo stating he acquired his unique chakra from his mother. Not all six paths chakra will create six paths senjutsu, just like not all six paths chakra will create the rinnegan.
The proof that Otsutsuki get the same chakra from the chakra fruit is the fact they awaken the same shinjutsu. If you take your argument at 100%, then Shibai would have had a complete different set of Shinjutsu since he did not consume the same genetic info that Kaguya or the rest of Otsutsuki have consumed.
Further proof is Momoshiki awakening rinnegan which is six paths power derived from six paths chakra. But one does not need to awaken rinnegan or six paths senjutsu transformation to have six paths chakra proven by Kakashi and Obito both using it without having acquired rinnegan or six paths senjutsu.
Therefore any innate ability from just having the six paths chakra should be granted to Otsutsuki.
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Technically what the Ten-Tails has is the Rinne Sharingan, according to the databook at least.
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We have at least two occasions (much more actually) the eye of the Ten Tails is referred as Rinnegan.
But obviously the term Rinne sharingan would be a rinnegan with sharingan power.
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This seems like semantics its clearly Both just because its one thing doesnt mean it cant be both....
Sasuke calls it a rinnegan but he also calls his own eye a rinnegan
that doesnt stop the fact that he obviously has sharingan powers in his rinnegan that clearly come from the sharingan and not the rinnegan
Same way Kcm 2 naruto can use Sage Mode, and its still alright to say that hes using sage mode, or say hes using KCm 2,
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