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[Xdsagecat]

My first crt, never thought I'd actually get to do this. But it's time to update the Ōtsutsuki Physiology page, giving Ōtsutsuki;
TLDR
Six paths Senjitsu and Resistance

• The utilization and resistance of the Tso seen by the likes of Naruto require Six Paths Senjutsu, derived from Hagaromo’s(so6p) chakra born from a combination of Ashura and Indra chakra and Nature energy from the ten tails. Nevertheless, Hamura and Toneri both weld the Tso , while Momoshiki had the Rinnegan before Hagaromo was born. These cases substantiate that all Ōtsutsuki chakra is six paths senjitsu. For example this would result in all Ōtsutsuki having Tso res but not Tsos.

Spoiler: Longer version

In Naruto, Six Paths chakra is fundamentally a form of Ōtsutsuki chakra. Six Paths chakra specifically traces back to Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki, who inherited his power directly from Kaguya and later became the jinchūriki of the Ten-Tails, itself an extension of the Divine Tree and the same chakra ecosystem tied to the Ōtsutsuki.
Because of this lineage, Six Paths chakra operates as a continuation of Ōtsutsuki power through Hagoromo rather than a distinct source. Every major instance of Six Paths empowerment originates from explicitly Ōtsutsuki-related phenomena: Hagoromo’s direct chakra bestowal, Ten-Tails assimilation, or God Tree absorption. Characters such as Obito Uchiha and Madara Uchiha only awaken Six Paths Senjutsu after synchronizing with the Ten-Tails, while Naruto Uzumaki and Sasuke Uchiha receive their Six Paths power directly from Hagoromo himself. The narrative therefore establishes a direct chain of inheritance:
The abilities granted by Six Paths chakra further reinforce this equivalence. Users consistently display traits associated with Ōtsutsuki entities, including Truth-Seeking Orbs, Yin–Yang Release, levitation and dimensional sensory perception. These characteristics are not portrayed as coincidental parallels but as signs that the user is approaching the same state embodied by Hagoromo, Kaguya, and later Ōtsutsuki members.

Spoiler: Lex's argument

I believe there is a close relationship between Truth-Seeking Orbs (TSO) and Black Receivers/chakra rods. Black Receivers are essentially physical manifestations of chakra chakra given tangible form. TSO operate on a similar principle, except they are infused with all five nature transformations alongside Yin–Yang Release. This is likely why TSO can be reshaped into chakra rods

In the case of Black Receivers/chakra rods, multiple Ōtsutsuki characters have demonstrated their usage, including Momoshiki, Isshiki, Jigen, Urashiki, Kinshiki, and Kawaki. Shibai, Momoshiki and Urashiki possessing the Rinnegan is itself evidence of Six Paths chakra, because Naruto lore establishes that awakening the Rinnegan requires the union of Indra and Ashura chakra, resulting in Hagoromo-type chakra. In other words, the Rinnegan cannot naturally awaken without Six Paths chakra. Since many Ōtsutsuki inherently possess the Rinnegan, they logically possess chakra of that category as well.

Sasuke is also an important example. He never produced Truth-Seeking Orbs, yet he could still resist their effects. This suggests that the resistance originates from possessing Six Paths chakra itself, rather than specifically requiring Six Paths Senjutsu. Those are likely separate concepts, thus the OP would not necessarily need to produce any evidence for TSO usage.

As for Six Paths Senjutsu, it appears more connected to the incorporation of nature energy which could be the Nature energy from the world in the case of Naruto and Hagoromo with Six paths chakra + Sage mode leading to Six paths Sage mode or Madara, Obito when they became the ten tails jinjurikin and then six paths senjustu which is a union of the six paths chakra and the ten tail nature energy. Even Jigen was capable of absorbing and utilizing the Ten-Tails’ power, which is directly stated to be nature energy itself. By that logic, he was also utilizing a form of six paths senjutsu-based power.

Agree: Foriaa,Samlex1234,AlternativePrinciple,karo_senpaii,Nonynho
Disagree: Testarossa002,godernet

 

[DragoZeroNova]

This CRT seems unfinished lol

Is it just giving every Otsu six paths senjutsu?

 

[Xdsagecat]

This CRT seems unfinished lol

Is it just giving every Otsu six paths senjutsu?

Its more like otsu chakra is just SPS but yeah

 

[Xdsagecat]

This is a thought I had for a while, however I couldn't strengthen my argument beyond conjecture, mainly due to the fact that there are so many different categorizations of what Six Paths is. There's Six Paths Chakra, Six Paths Power, Six Paths Yin and Yang Power, all of which differ from each other.

Firstly, like you said, it is shown that Hamura had acquired a TSO simply from being an Ōtsutsuki, which would mean that Ōtsutsuki inherently have Six Paths Senjutsu. However, this raises some doubts when it comes to consistency. Momoshiki, Kinshiki, Boruto, Kawaki, etc are all Ōtsutsuki, yet they haven't shown the ability to produce a TSO.

If you could provide some more info on this, I think the argument would be more compelling.

Well it can just be viewed the same way that all ninja have chakra but not all have the rasengan, chidori, etc etc.

 

[Foriaa]

I have some thoughts on this, look at your DM's

 

[Samlex1234]

This is a thought I had for a while, however I couldn't strengthen my argument beyond conjecture, mainly because there are so many different categorizations of what Six Paths are. There are Six Paths Chakra, Six Paths Power, Six Paths Yin and Yang Power, all of which differ from each other.

Firstly, like you said, it is shown that Hamura had acquired a TSO simply from being an Ōtsutsuki, which would mean that Ōtsutsuki inherently have Six Paths Senjutsu. However, this raises some doubts when it comes to consistency. Momoshiki, Kinshiki, Boruto, Kawaki, etc are all Ōtsutsuki, yet they haven't shown the ability to produce a TSO.

If you could provide some more info on this, I think the argument would be more compelling.

I believe there is a close relationship between Truth-Seeking Orbs (TSO) and Black Receivers/chakra rods. Black Receivers are essentially physical manifestations of chakra chakra given tangible form. TSO operate on a similar principle, except they are infused with all five nature transformations alongside Yin–Yang Release. This is likely why TSO can be reshaped into chakra rods

In the case of Black Receivers/chakra rods, multiple Ōtsutsuki characters have demonstrated their usage, including Momoshiki, Isshiki, Jigen, Urashiki, Kinshiki, and Kawaki. Shibai, Momoshiki and Urashiki possessing the Rinnegan is itself evidence of Six Paths chakra, because Naruto lore establishes that awakening the Rinnegan requires the union of Indra and Ashura chakra, resulting in Hagoromo-type chakra. In other words, the Rinnegan cannot naturally awaken without Six Paths chakra. Since many Ōtsutsuki inherently possess the Rinnegan, they logically possess chakra of that category as well.

Sasuke is also an important example. He never produced Truth-Seeking Orbs, yet he could still resist their effects. This suggests that the resistance originates from possessing Six Paths chakra itself, rather than specifically requiring Six Paths Senjutsu. Those are likely separate concepts, thus the OP would not necessarily need to produce any evidence for TSO usage.

As for Six Paths Senjutsu, it appears more connected to the incorporation of nature energy which could be the Nature energy from the world in the case of Naruto and Hagoromo with Six paths chakra + Sage mode leading to Six paths Sage mode or Madara, Obito when they became the ten tails jinjurikin and then six paths senjustu which is a union of the six paths chakra and the ten tail nature energy. Even Jigen was capable of absorbing and utilizing the Ten-Tails’ power, which is directly stated to be nature energy itself. By that logic, he was also utilizing a form of six paths senjutsu-based power.

 

[Foriaa]

Sasuke is also an important example. He never produced Truth-Seeking Orbs, yet he could still resist their effects. This suggests that the resistance originates from possessing Six Paths chakra itself, rather than specifically requiring Six Paths Senjutsu. Those are likely separate concepts, thus the OP would not necessarily need to produce any evidence for TSO usage.

This is what I told the OP via discord, and is likely the strongest evidence here.

Overall, I agree now. I think it should be applied to character's who haven't produced the ability yet would have resistances : Isshiki/Jigen, Kinshiki, Momoshiki, Boruto and Kawaki

 

[KingogKings777]

Are there any showings or statements for it to be supported?

 

[Xdsagecat]

Are there any showings or statements for it to be supported?

What scans do you want? Iv already provided scans of Toneri and Hamura using tsos

 

[Testarossa002]

I don't know about this man

• Everybody confirmed to have Six paths chakra are from Kaguya's bloodline
  • That can be explained with evolution gotten from earth's specific divine tree/fruit
• The rinnegan is not the evidence you think it is because Madara awakened it without getting six paths chakra. It is an Otsutsuki stuff. Doesn't automatically makes it six paths
• At no point in boruto was it shown (explicit or otherwise) that Otsu have a unique type of chakra.
  • Not even when we were getting lore dump from Amado
  • Not even when Naruto and Sasuke (the only other people with the chakra) fight them and would have been pointed out if it's a similar type of chakra
  • Not even the aliens point out the supposed similarity in chakra between them and naruto/sasuke
• For black rods, Momo and Ura have the rinnegan, Isshiki (and his versions) have a unique eye with not fully established abilities and I don't remember Kinshiki using it. Regardless, it can be a Oats technique and not be six paths. Naruto actually has six paths chakra and has not been shown to be able to use black rods.
• We do know that SPC can alter the visible characteristics of ninjutsu. Like raiton taking on a dark color (Sasuke and Kakashi). Yet, boruto doesn't seem to do that with his own raiton

It is entirely possible that Oats have SPC but with the current level of evidence, I'm inclined to believe the opposite

Disagree

 

[Xdsagecat]

• The rinnegan is not the evidence you think it is because Madara awakened it without getting six paths chakra.

What?

 

[Testarossa002]

What?

?
He got it via Indra/Ashura chakra fuckery
Didn't get SPC until he became a jinchuriki

 

[Xdsagecat]

?
He got it via Indra/Ashura chakra fuckery
Didn't get SPC until he became a jinchuriki

That's when he got SPS

 

[karo_senpaii]

?
He got it via Indra/Ashura chakra fuckery
Didn't get SPC until he became a jinchuriki

Actually he go six path chakra the moment he got the rinnengan, which is what he is arguing, which is different from six path senjutsu

 

[Testarossa002]

Actually he go six path chakra the moment he got the rinnengan, which is what he is arguing, which is different from six path senjutsu

I'll drop that point. It's not like the opposite can be proven either but there are other points in my message

 

[karo_senpaii]

I'll drop that point. It's not like the opposite can be proven either but there are other points in my message

I don't know about this man

• Everybody confirmed to have Six paths chakra are from Kaguya's bloodline
  • That can be explained with evolution gotten from earth's specific divine tree/fruit
• The rinnegan is not the evidence you think it is because Madara awakened it without getting six paths chakra. It is an Otsutsuki stuff. Doesn't automatically makes it six paths
• At no point in boruto was it shown (explicit or otherwise) that Otsu have a unique type of chakra.
  • Not even when we were getting lore dump from Amado
  • Not even when Naruto and Sasuke (the only other people with the chakra) fight them and would have been pointed out if it's a similar type of chakra
  • Not even the aliens point out the supposed similarity in chakra between them and naruto/sasuke
• For black rods, Momo and Ura have the rinnegan, Isshiki (and his versions) have a unique eye with not fully established abilities and I don't remember Kinshiki using it. Regardless, it can be a Oats technique and not be six paths. Naruto actually has six paths chakra and has not been shown to be able to use black rods.
• We do know that SPC can alter the visible characteristics of ninjutsu. Like raiton taking on a dark color (Sasuke and Kakashi). Yet, boruto doesn't seem to do that with his own raiton

It is entirely possible that Oats have SPC but with the current level of evidence, I'm inclined to believe the opposite

Disagree

It's not like I'm fully convinced but there are some points I need to point back.

1. Is there really anything special about earth's fruit? Bear in mind it's not even the complete fruit as if it was then all life on earth would have been over.
2. It all comes down to whether the rinnengan is tied to six path chakra. We all thought so before the boruto manga so my question would be, if there was no boruto manga, with the knowledge you have in Naruto , do you think the rinnengan and six path are directly linked? If the answer is yes then what changed your mind when it switches over to the boruto manga.

3. This isn't much of the point but if you look at both ishikki and kaguya (even before she ate the fruit). The six path symbol is just written over their body. Same for the juvenile 10 tails. Even if that's not really much of an evidence, it just goes to show that it's not something uniquely discovered from earth chakra and at the very least is something widely known to otsusuki's already

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

I don't know about this man

• Everybody confirmed to have Six paths chakra are from Kaguya's bloodline
  • That can be explained with evolution gotten from earth's specific divine tree/fruit

Unfounded, earth is nothing special and Kaguya did not get anything from it. When Kaguya arrived on this planet, it inhabitants didn’t even know the existence of chakra let alone have any abilities to be derived from it.

It was Hagoromo that taught people the existence of chakra and how to manipulate it, while Indra invented the commercial ninjutsu that we see today. To say that kaguya gained anything notable from the fruit other than stats boost is frankly quite dumb, moreover this would also suggest that she got TSO from the fruit which are far more complex than kekkei genkai and kekkei tōta. To say that a bunch of people that don’t even know of the existence of chakra can even make a kekkei genkai (which is already a gaint stretch) than make a superior Kekkei tota is absurd

The rinnegan is not the evidence you think it is because Madara awakened it without getting six paths chakra. It is an Otsutsuki stuff. Doesn't

That’s wrong, Madara needed to have Indra (which he was the incarnation of) and Asura (which hashirama was incarnation of) Chakra to awaken the rinnegan. Both of their chakra combined makes Hagoromos chakra which inturn is Kaguya’s.

• automatically makes it six paths
• At no point in boruto was it shown (explicit or otherwise) that Otsu have a unique type of chakra.
  • Not even when we were getting lore dump from Amado
  • Not even when Naruto and Sasuke (the only other people with the chakra) fight them and would have been pointed out if it's a similar type of chakra
  • Not even the aliens point out the supposed similarity in chakra between them and naruto/sasuke

Everyone has unique chakra and a presence. This is even more prevalent in Boruto where chakra contains genetic information which can be passed down through generations. The most glaring evidence is Himawari who becomes a Tailed beasts while boruto inherited kurama whiskers marks. Uzumaki and their special traits that come from Asura, Kimimaru and his bone jutsu, Hinata and her Byakugan, Uchihas and their Sharingan which is a devolved version of the Rinnegan.

Another point that the Oats have to specifically call out that they have similar chakra is just absurd. Why would
That have to? They’re chakra’s act like oats but it’s still unique as chakra = souls.

• For black rods, Momo and Ura have the rinnegan, Isshiki (and his versions) have a unique eye with not fully established abilities and I don't remember Kinshiki using it. Regardless, it can be an Oats technique and not be six paths. Naruto actually has six paths chakra and has not been shown to be able to use black rods.

It’s a Rinnegan ability which again is obtained by oats chakra as they are the only creature in the entire verse that have this doujutsu

• We do know that SPC can alter the visible characteristics of ninjutsu. Like raiton taking on a dark color (Sasuke and Kakashi). Yet, boruto doesn't seem to do that with his own raiton

This is wrong, Madara used yin lighting, Kakashi used Kamui lighting and I don’t remember Sasuke using.

These are not six paths but their respective elements changing the color

It is entirely possible that Oats have SPC but with the current level of evidence, I'm inclined to believe the opposite

Disagree

I need to remind people that the term “six paths chakra” refers to hags and Kaguya’s chakra only. They are not some special source of energy completely detached from ordinary chakra, they are singled out specially is because of the composition and information that these chakra carries like how we single out chkara fruits. Both of them are fundamental normal chkara but what makes them special is the information within it, both hags and Kag chakra contains their experience, skill and jutsu information which gives rise to the sharingan, rinnegan, byakugan.

All these doujutsu are only found in one single clan and that’s the oats, you cannot have these abilities without having an oats as your ancestors which is exactly the reason for the sharingans, byakugan and Rinnegan exists on earth because of kaguya and subsequently hags

 

[Richardo908]

I actually think it's plausible cause of ikemoto/kishimoto design choices.

When Madara,obito gained six paths power their outfits changed and a symbol that looks like the number 9 was attached to their outfits showing that they've gained six paths chakra but said symbol can also be found on Isshiki's outfit/body and kaguya outfit also shows said symbol heck jura who's a ten tails incarnate also has it,only exception is momoshiki but he has the rennigan so... It seems like most otsutsuki just have it

 

[Testarossa002]

1. Is there really anything special about earth's fruit? Bear in mind it's not even the complete fruit as if it was then all life on earth would have been over.

Unfounded, earth is nothing special and Kaguya did not get anything from it. When Kaguya arrived on this planet, it inhabitants didn’t even know the existence of chakra let alone have any abilities to be derived from it.

Momo mentioned that Omnipotence could have been used to rewrite mankind's memory prior. It's not beyond the realm of possibility

2. It all comes down to whether the rinnengan is tied to six path chakra. We all thought so before the boruto manga so my question would be, if there was no boruto manga, with the knowledge you have in Naruto , do you think the rinnengan and six path are directly linked? If the answer is yes then what changed your mind when it switches over to the boruto manga.

The answer is no for me. I didn't think Madara/Nagato were walking around with SPC.

3. This isn't much of the point but if you look at both ishikki and kaguya (even before she ate the fruit). The six path symbol is just written over their body. Same for the juvenile 10 tails. Even if that's not really much of an evidence, it just goes to show that it's not something uniquely discovered from earth chakra and at the very least is something widely known to otsusuki's already

The magatama (or whatever is called) doesn't necessarily mean six paths symbol. The 10 tails in naruto didn't have it. Same with Obito (then Kakashi), Sasuke and Madara (since the claim is that he had SPC before war arc). That's not counting the 5 Oats in boruto who don't have it. Even if all of them did have it, it's still not proof of SPC. Correlation doesn't imply causation. There's simply a lot of unknown at work here.
Now, don't know why you're being unnecessarily hostile

It was Hagoromo that taught people the existence of chakra and how to manipulate it, while Indra invented the commercial ninjutsu that we see today. To say that kaguya gained anything notable from the fruit other than stats boost is frankly quite dumb, moreover this would also suggest that she got TSO from the fruit which are far more complex than kekkei genkai and kekkei tōta. To say that a bunch of people that don’t even know of the existence of chakra can even make a kekkei genkai (which is already a gaint stretch) than make a superior Kekkei tota is absurd

Amado makes it a point to note that chakra fruits have tremendous energy AND genetic information. Oats then use this to UPDATE themselves, Not "make their stats higher", update. This is how they EVOLVE. Not sure where the idea that they get JUST stat boosts from the fruits comes from. Add the possibility of Kaguya sacrificing part of Isshiki's body to the ten tails and you have a solid premise going on.

Everyone has unique chakra and a presence.

While at the same time, having a general foundation. Six Paths chakra is qualitatively unique from the chakra of regular humans. Regular human chakra doesn't give people the ability to summon meteors. All of that aside, you'd think Naruto would point out that any of the numerous Oats he fought had similar chakra to that of Hagoromo.

Another point that the Oats have to specifically call out that they have similar chakra is just absurd. Why would
That have to? They’re chakra’s act like oats but it’s still unique as chakra = souls.

Urashiki explicitly calls out Mitsuki's chakra. So clearly, they can point out similarities/differences with chakra they encounter

It’s a Rinnegan ability which again is obtained by oats chakra as they are the only creature in the entire verse that have this doujutsu

You're refuting a claim that I didn't make. Nobody is arguing against the idea that only Oats (or their descendants) have been shown to have the rinnegan. Problem comes from using a Rinnegan-specific ability (I doubt it's even the same as Jigen's because naruto was visibly surprised by the rods and what they were for even though he'd experienced black receivers before but let's ignore that) and using it as evidence for every single Oats having SPC even though not all have the rinnegan. Why stop there? Why don't all OATS get deva path or animal path too?

This is wrong, Madara used yin lighting, Kakashi used Kamui lighting

Didn't mention Madara. Kamui part of the attack only takes place after raikiri cuts the person. Not sure why it would randomly change the color when it isn't applied until after.

don’t remember Sasuke using.

These are not six paths but their respective elements changing the color

Sasuke verbatim channels "Six Paths Power" into his chidori which gave it its dark outline.

When Madara,obito gained six paths power their outfits changed and a symbol that looks like the number 9 was attached to their outfits showing that they've gained six paths chakra but said symbol can also be found on Isshiki's outfit/body and kaguya outfit also shows said symbol heck jura who's a ten tails incarnate also has it,only exception is momoshiki but he has the rennigan so... It seems like most otsutsuki just have it

You cannot use this and claim (not you specifically) that Madara already had the Six Paths chakra before becoming a jinchuriki. Where is his number 9 symbol? There's also a bunch of Oats you're missing out (Bort, Kawaki, Kinshiki, Urashiki)

Not interested in a prolonged back and forth
Still disagree

 

[DavidTPPM]

Unfounded, earth is nothing special and Kaguya did not get anything from it. When Kaguya arrived on this planet, it inhabitants didn’t even know the existence of chakra let alone have any abilities to be derived from it.

Tbh I disagree. We don't know what makes chakra fruits better or worse, and we have a lot of evidence pointing towards earth being unusual potent.

Kaguya awakened her rinnesharingan from earth's chakra fruit and to this day it's commonly seen as the strongest dojutsu in the verse. Momoshiki has nothing in his bag that comes even close to it. And we not only see Momoshiki eat a random chakra fruit of a civilization he wiped for it, but also Kinshiki turned into a fruit, and get nothing worth mentioning from either of them.

I don’t really have any strong opinions on the main topic but I don't think it's fair to say earth's fruit was "nothing special".

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Tbh I disagree. We don't know what makes chakra fruits better or worse, and we have a lot of evidence pointing towards earth being unusual potent.

Kaguya awakened her rinnesharingan from earth's chakra fruit and to this day it's commonly seen as the strongest dojutsu in the verse.

She already had the rinnesharingan prior to even eating the fruit

Earth being more potent is quite literally because they have an entire ten tails worth of chakra and more on the planet

Momoshiki has nothing in his bag that comes even close to it. And we not only see Momoshiki eat a random chakra fruit of a civilization he wiped for it, but also Kinshiki turned into a fruit, and get nothing worth mentioning from either of them.

I don’t really have any strong opinions on the main topic but I don't think it's fair to say earth's fruit was "nothing special".

It quiet literally is nothing special, like all the fruites Momoshiki consumed. Furthermore it wasn’t even a proper fruit or else earth wouldn’t exist.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Tbh I disagree. We don't know what makes chakra fruits better or worse, and we have a lot of evidence pointing towards earth being unusual potent.

Kaguya awakened her rinnesharingan from earth's chakra fruit and to this day it's commonly seen as the strongest dojutsu in the verse. Momoshiki has nothing in his bag that comes even close to it. And we not only see Momoshiki eat a random chakra fruit of a civilization he wiped for it, but also Kinshiki turned into a fruit, and get nothing worth mentioning from either of them.

I don’t really have any strong opinions on the main topic but I don't think it's fair to say earth's fruit was "nothing special".

To a certain point you are not wrong regarding Earth fruit being more potent on the other hand characters like Momoshiki and Ishiki have shinjutsu which are techniques got from consuming fruits with shinjutsu being specifically much more powerful than any jutsu, so by logic earth chakra fruit is still not on pair with however many fruits Momoshiki and Ishiki ate.
Duo to being a Shinjutsu Ishiki's doujutsu should be considered superior to Kaguya's which isn't one.

 

[karo_senpaii]

The magatama (or whatever is called) doesn't necessarily mean six paths symbol. The 10 tails in naruto didn't have it. Same with Obito (then Kakashi), Sasuke and Madara (since the claim is that he had SPC before war arc). That's not counting the 5 Oats in boruto who don't have it. Even if all of them did have it, it's still not proof of SPC. Correlation doesn't imply causation. There's simply a lot of unknown at work here.
Now, don't know why you're being unnecessarily hostile

Uhhn I don't know if you misread what I typed. It wasn't evidence showing they have it. It was a point of me telling you that six path power is not something that was discovered on earth but something otsusuki already had access to, hence why I was bringing up the symbols . Of course I know people can have six path power but not the symbol. The symbol is usually there when the six path energy completely changes their body to closely resemble otsusuki i.e ten tails madara, obito, and even naruto

You're refuting a claim that I didn't make. Nobody is arguing against the idea that only Oats (or their descendants) have been shown to have the rinnegan. Problem comes from using a Rinnegan-specific ability (I doubt it's even the same as Jigen's because naruto was visibly surprised by the rods and what they were for even though he'd experienced black receivers before but let's ignore that) and using it as evidence for every single Oats having SPC even though not all have the rinnegan. Why stop there? Why don't all OATS get deva path or animal path too?

Just to add to this but the oats that have rinnengan have all used deva path. I think it's fairly obvious that apart from it , ikemoto doesn't just give a **** about most of the rinnengan powers

Tbh I disagree. We don't know what makes chakra fruits better or worse, and we have a lot of evidence pointing towards earth being unusual potent.

Kaguya awakened her rinnesharingan from earth's chakra fruit and to this day it's commonly seen as the strongest dojutsu in the verse. Momoshiki has nothing in his bag that comes even close to it. And we not only see Momoshiki eat a random chakra fruit of a civilization he wiped for it, but also Kinshiki turned into a fruit, and get nothing worth mentioning from either of them.

I don’t really have any strong opinions on the main topic but I don't think it's fair to say earth's fruit was "nothing special".

That's actually not true. She got her rinnesharingan prior

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Momo mentioned that Omnipotence could have been used to rewrite mankind's memory prior. It's not beyond the realm of possibility

This is very vague and very unlikely. Like we don’t even know what they changed let alone the reason which would necessities them to do so. Oats are incomprehensibly above Earth, and oats gods even more so. It’s inconceivable that they would need to change the memories of humanity from… manipulating chakra?

Like it’s probably a 0.0000000000000001 possibility of what you are insinuating be real but it’s highly unlikely and borderline false

The answer is no for me. I didn't think Madara/Nagato were walking around with SPC.

Madara I understand but why is Nagato in this sentence? He shouldn’t even be mentioned here. Anyhow Indra and Asura would have begun reincarnation once more so Madara wouldn’t have six paths even if wanted to.

It’s like how Naruto can’t use six paths anymore due to Kurama not existing inside him anymore

Amado makes it a point to note that chakra fruits have tremendous energy AND genetic information. Oats then use this to UPDATE themselves, Not "make their stats higher", update. This is how they EVOLVE. Not sure where the idea that they get JUST stat boosts from the fruits comes from. Add the possibility of Kaguya sacrificing part of Isshiki's body to the ten tails and you have a solid premise going on.

The genetic information depends on the level of civilization of the planet, kaguya descended upon earth when it was still learning how to make bows and swords, for all intense purposes it was a primitive civilization with nothing notable other than being energy fodder.

Moreover she didn’t even consume a proper fruit, it was incomplete which just further questions what exactly she got other than stats boost

While at the same time, having a general foundation. Six Paths chakra is qualitatively unique from the chakra of regular humans. Regular human chakra doesn't give people the ability to summon meteors. All of that aside, you'd think Naruto would point out that any of the numerous Oats he fought had similar chakra to that of Hagoromo.

Your arguments are confusing me, you do know that those meteors were pulled from the asteroid belt to earth using deva path and not cause he had six paths chakra same with hags.

Also why would Naruto need to point out that Oats have the same chakra as Hags when he already knows his a descendant of one? That’s a very weak argument.

Urashiki explicitly calls out Mitsuki's chakra. So clearly, they can point out similarities/differences with chakra they encounter

He was talking about Sage mode, and this is a consistency issue because the ten tails is also made of nature energy. Either he has never seen a ten tails or he never encountered planet with nature. Both of them are very unlikely

You're refuting a claim that I didn't make. Nobody is arguing against the idea that only Oats (or their descendants) have been shown to have the rinnegan. Problem comes from using a Rinnegan-specific ability (I doubt it's even the same as Jigen's because naruto was visibly surprised by the rods and what they were for even though he'd experienced black receivers before but let's ignore that) and using it as evidence for every single Oats having SPC even though not all have the rinnegan. Why stop there? Why don't all OATS get deva path or animal path too?

He was surprised that rods appeared suddenly without him being sensed, not that there were rods. Just because they don’t use their rinnegan abilities doesn’t negate their other existence of SPSM. We know Ike is a lazy bum that doesn’t give a shit about the abilities characters have.

Naruto doesn’t use all his tailed beasts powers, does that mean he doesn’t have their chakra? This is just not it

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Didn't mention Madara. Kamui part of the attack only takes place after raikiri cuts the person. Not sure why it would randomly change the color when it isn't applied until after.

This also isn’t it, Sasuke has a purple chakra, Naruto has orange chakra, Itachi has red chakra, Madara has deep blue chakra, does that make all of them different source of chakra then normal ones? especially when transmutation of chakra changes the color of the jutsu which is exactly what’s happening here.

Sasuke uses chidori on his Yin seal had which changes the color like how Madara uses Yin lightning that has a different color than normal one. Similarly to the Kamui lightning which is black because it was indued with Kamui which is differentiated from normal chidori with a different colour

This just not it

Sasuke verbatim channels "Six Paths Power" into his chidori which gave it its dark outline.

Uh huh which is the yin light as I stated above

You cannot use this and claim (not you specifically) that Madara already had the Six Paths chakra before becoming a jinchuriki. Where is his number 9 symbol? There's also a bunch of Oats you're missing out (Bort, Kawaki, Kinshiki, Urashiki)

Not interested in a prolonged back and forth
Still disagree

Already responded to it above

 

[Samlex1234]

Tbh I disagree. We don't know what makes chakra fruits better or worse, and we have a lot of evidence pointing towards Earth being unusually potent.

Kaguya awakened her rinnesharingan from Earth's chakra fruit and to this day it's commonly seen as the strongest dojutsu in the verse. Momoshiki has nothing in his bag that comes even close to it. And we not only see Momoshiki eat a random chakra fruit of a civilization he wiped out for it, but also Kinshiki turned into a fruit, and get nothing worth mentioning from either of them.

I don’t really have any strong opinions on the main topic but I don't think it's fair to say Earth's fruit was "nothing special".

Urashiki has a Rinnesharigan, the ten tails itself has the rinnesharigan in fact all the Ten-Tails we have seen has Rinnesharingan, so what now did they get it from Earth too? Shibai has all Shinjustu including the one Kaguya has with her Rinnesharigan. Earth fruit is not special at least as of when Kaguya first consumed the chakra fruit, earth became special later on because everyone now had chakra and could potentially use it leading to possibly a more powerful chakra fruit.. We know how the otutsukis evolution works. Every otutsuki would gain the same powers at the end of their evolution a great example is Shibai with all the eyes and all the Shinjustu in existence guess what Momoshiki also mentioned he had a detailed knowledge of every single Shinjustu in existence which would also include the ones from the rinnesharigan yet he never even knew where Earth was.


Six Paths chakra is a subset of the Otsutsuki chakra that is simple and straightforward I didn't come up with anything myself it is literally canon lore.. Hagoromo verbatim says that for Madara to have awakened the Rinnegan he needed his own chakra type. Madara took Hashirama’s cell we also know this by canon lore.., Momoshiki, Urashiki and even Shibai had the Rinnegan long before Hagoromo was even born, that evolution is not tied to earth.



The chakra rods which are associated with six paths chakra is the same as the black receivers.. That same physical chakra can be shaped into different things


How did I know that it's a physical chakra? Because Code who inherited the Otsutsuki power could also do it. His claw marks are made half physical chakra and half iron from his blood. Please make that sink cause we will be needing it.


For this box to allow the shinju teleport, it has to be made of the very same material that Code mentioned. Which is again is Physical chakra and Iron from the blood.



That's to say that whatever this box and pot are made of include physical chakra. The very same materials are used for black receivers and TSO. In the case of code iron is added to that physical chakra to give him the ability to make claw marks, for TSO 5 nature transformation and yin yang are added to give it all its effects.

https://imgur.com/a/1xE2XYX

Outside of Boruto we have seen every single otutsukis use these chakra rods or other chakra weapons, which helps support the same logic that Six Paths chakra is just a subset of the Otsutsuki chakra.

 

[Samlex1234]

Why don't all OATS get the deva path or animal path too?


Sasuke verbatim channels "Six Paths Power" into his chidori which gave it its dark outline.

You cannot use this and claim (not you specifically) that Madara already had the Six Paths chakra before becoming a jinchuriki. Where is his number 9 symbol? There's also a bunch of Oats you're missing out on (Bort, Kawaki, Kinshiki, Urashiki)

Animal path is a unique thing.. I would not touch on now at least. As for the Deva path, I believe most OATS have it if not all, they also have some form of telekinesis.. Momoshiki used the almighty push and universal pull, Isshiki/Jigen/ Kawaki has telekinesis you literally see them control that black cube freely as they like and even every single object, that's why they can shrink and control them putting them into the daikokuten dimension. However, this is not the main topic, so we can put this aside for now.

Yes, Madara already had six paths chakra by lore before becoming a ten tails jinjurikin. Now six paths senjustu on the other hand is a different thing and it's a bit tricky.

 

[Xdsagecat]

Bump

 

[Xdsagecat]

Bump

 

[Nonynho]

To me this seems like a quite obvious direct correlation, since nothing indicates SPS and stuff coming from it are a kekkei genkai from Hagoromo that people inherited by being Ashura's or Indra's reencarnation or by implanting Rinnegan

So i agree

 

[Xdsagecat]

Bump

 

[Godernet]

Disagree, for very similar reasons to Test,

Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, Obito, and Hags all manifested Six Paths abilities due to...

• Manifesting Kaguya's chakra within themselves (via Hags just giving it to them or recreating Hags chakra via two reincarnations of his kids fusing their chakras)
• Or becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.

We know that Shinju fruits assimilate the biological data of everything on a planet, which means that each Shinju Fruit should be unique in the same way planets and the life in them are unique.

That being said, if every fruit is unique, and the only ppl that have demonstrated Six Paths abilities are Kaguya and her kids/ancestors, and we know that the Earth Juubi has given its hosts abilities that the Otsutsuki just don't have or haven't been shown to have (Insane regen, ninjutsu immunity, TSO, etc.), then it would be a bit disingenuous to automatically say Otsutsuki chakra as the sole reason for these abilities manifestation with no proof or consistency outside of ppl that all branch from Kaguya, the person who originally ate the Earth Fruit in the first place if that makes sense.

(This isn't even to mention the mystery behind Shibai's corpse and his biological DNA'S potential for having been in the Earth Fruit, adding more unquantifiability to what makes Six Paths abilities what they are; they could unironically turn out to be watered abilities from the one Otsutsuki that evolved more than any other Otsutsuki after eating countless God Trees.)

I think there is a strong possibility for Otsutsuki to be revealed to have these abilities in the future, but I don't think the evidence is there right now, frankly.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Disagree, for very similar reasons to Test,

Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, Obito, and Hags all manifested Six Paths abilities due to...

• Manifesting Kaguya's chakra within themselves (via Hags just giving it to them or recreating Hags chakra via two reincarnations of his kids fusing their chakras)
• Or becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.

We know that Shinju fruits assimilate the biological data of everything on a planet, which means that each Shinju Fruit should be unique in the same way planets and the life in them are unique.

That being said, if every fruit is unique, and the only ppl that have demonstrated Six Paths abilities are Kaguya and her kids/ancestors, and we know that the Earth Juubi has given its hosts abilities that the Otsutsuki just don't have or haven't been shown to have (Insane regen, ninjutsu immunity, TSO, etc.), then it would be a bit disingenuous to automatically call them Otsutsuki abilities with no proof or consistency outside of ppl that all branch from Kaguya, the person who originally ate the Earth Fruit in the first place if that makes sense.

After debating with David for a bit, we couldn’t really forego the problem of Kaguya not having her Third eye before she ate the fruit and proofing the things mentioned above

(This isn't even to mention the mystery behind Shibai's corpse and his biological DNA'S potential for having been in the Earth Fruit, adding more unquantifiability to what makes Six Paths abilities what they are; they could unironically turn out to be watered abilities from the one Otsutsuki that evolved more than any other Otsutsuki after eating countless God Trees.)

Shibai’s corpse is with Amado whom was in Jigens dimension all this time. So its more than likely that Ishikki had the corpse in his dimension and not on earth which would make much more sense as we don’t know which of planet he ascended from.

I think there is a strong possibility for Otsutsuki to be revealed to have these abilities in the future, but I don't think the evidence is there right now, frankly.

For now that seems to be the best option

 

[Xdsagecat]

Disagree, for very similar reasons to Test,

Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, Obito, and Hags all manifested Six Paths abilities due to...

• Manifesting Kaguya's chakra within themselves (via Hags just giving it to them or recreating Hags chakra via two reincarnations of his kids fusing their chakras)
• Or becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.

We know that Shinju fruits assimilate the biological data of everything on a planet, which means that each Shinju Fruit should be unique in the same way planets and the life in them are unique.

That being said, if every fruit is unique, and the only ppl that have demonstrated Six Paths abilities are Kaguya and her kids/ancestors, and we know that the Earth Juubi has given its hosts abilities that the Otsutsuki just don't have or haven't been shown to have (Insane regen, ninjutsu immunity, TSO, etc.), then it would be a bit disingenuous to automatically say Otsutsuki chakra as the sole reason for these abilities manifestation with no proof or consistency outside of ppl that all branch from Kaguya, the person who originally ate the Earth Fruit in the first place if that makes sense.

(This isn't even to mention the mystery behind Shibai's corpse and his biological DNA'S potential for having been in the Earth Fruit, adding more unquantifiability to what makes Six Paths abilities what they are; they could unironically turn out to be watered abilities from the one Otsutsuki that evolved more than any other Otsutsuki after eating countless God Trees.)

I think there is a strong possibility for Otsutsuki to be revealed to have these abilities in the future, but I don't think the evidence is there right now, frankly.

Toneri.

 

[Godernet]

Toneri.

Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, Obito, and Hags all manifested Six Paths abilities due to...

• Manifesting Kaguya's chakra within themselves (via Hags just giving it to them or recreating Hags chakra via two reincarnations of his kids fusing their chakras)
• Or becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.

Take what I said here and replace Hags with Hamura and it’s the same argument.

Descendant of Kaguya manifesting her power.

 

[Samlex1234]

(This isn't even to mention the mystery behind Shibai's corpse and his biological DNA'S potential for having been in the Earth Fruit, adding more unquantifiability to what makes Six Paths abilities what they are; they could unironically turn out to be watered abilities from the one Otsutsuki that evolved more than any other Otsutsuki after eating countless God Trees.)

All this aside according to Naruto lore how do you awaken a Rinnegan?

Shibai corpses being on earth as zero backing to it ngl. Amado has always been in the Kara dimension since Isshiki recruited him, if performs all experiments and upgrades in the Kara dimension, Isshiki himself is aware of this upgrade, e.g., Isshiki, just like Momo would know about Code’s claw mark and also daemon and Ada in fact it was he who asked for them to be disposed of. It makes more sense that Ishiki was the one who had Shibai’s corpse and provided it to Amado in the same Kara dimension. Amado normally is not allowed to leave the dimension, Koji was the one who had to reverse summon him to earth.

 

[Samlex1234]

Take what I said here and replace Hags with Hamura and it’s the same argument.

Descendant of Kaguya manifesting her power.

TSO is not some special ability that we know nothing about, in fact, we know exactly how it works. It's the physical chakra that contains all five nature transformations with yin and yang. That's literally it. We have proven that most Otsutsuki can make physical chakra which is the chakra rods most of them use, the only thing it is missing is the five nature transformation with yin and yang. We know by lore that the Ten-Tails chakra is literally nature energy, most of the Otustsuki we know have consumed a chakra fruit meaning they have consumed nature energy. In fact, we see Jigen absorbing the Ten-Tails' nature energy, which should not be possible unless he understands how senjustu works because you need a balance ratio. Btw the OP is not even asking that they get TSO but the resistance to it, which even Sasuke has without Six Paths Senjustu..

 

[Xdsagecat]

TSO is not some special ability that we know nothing about, in fact, we know exactly how it works. It's the physical chakra that contains all five nature transformations with yin and yang. That's literally it. We have proven that most Otsutsuki can make physical chakra which is the chakra rods most of them use, the only thing it is missing is the five nature transformation with yin and yang. We know by lore that the Ten-Tails chakra is literally nature energy, most of the Otustsuki we know have consumed a chakra fruit meaning they have consumed nature energy. In fact, we see Jigen absorbing the Ten-Tails' nature energy, which should not be possible unless he understands how senjustu works because you need a balance ratio. Btw the OP is not even asking that they get TSO but the resistance to it, which even Sasuke has without Six Paths Senjustu..

To reiterate I'm asking for all Otsu to have Six Paths Senjitsu but not all Six Paths Senjustu abilities, the same way a normal ninja has chakra but not every ninjitsu/"chakra abilities"

 

[Nierre]

I'd rather wait for more info ngl, cause I'm currently of the opinion that they don't FRA.

@Samlex1234 to answer ur question from the discussion thread, if we could get an explicit answer on if all Otsutsuki have SPS, that would be awesome.

 

[Richardo908]

After debating with David for a bit, we couldn’t really forego the problem of Kaguya not having her Third eye before she ate the fruit and proofing the things mentioned above

Shibai’s corpse is with Amado whom was in Jigens dimension all this time. So its more than likely that Ishikki had the corpse in his dimension and not on earth which would make much more sense as we don’t know which of planet he ascended from.

For now that seems to be the best option

About the third eye hasn't that being changed in boruto.In the otsutsuki tablet we can quite literally see that she had a third eye way before she came to earth

 

[Iabihs]

Disagree with Six Paths Senjutsu

Agree with the resistences

Sasukes Susanoo arrows can touch Truth seeking orbs, Momoshiki at the very least should be ableto as well as shibai since they both have rinnegan and sasuke has literally nothing apart from that that would allow him to touch truth seeking orbs

Jigen should as well since he just uses nature energy