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you're being way too serious about nothing
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Street Fighter 6 General Discussion Thread
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You really need to reply each time and let alone retort with that kind of reply...you are on a site about indexing characters in fiction, you clearly werent around fanboys around internet doing shit like this, so zip it
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All he did was ask a ******* question dude, cut the needless hostility
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Check the previous comments and what I responded earlier, cut it out with this "hostility" card on me, I tell things more bluntly
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Pretty sure you're being needlessly hostile over a question initially too. don't even understand why things even got this far for you to be acting how you're acting and the way you're acting. really isn't that serious to warrant this kind of reaction.
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How about for the fact that only Ingrid got such attention recently and not because of how they made her as DLC for the game, but because of what she does or says as far powerscaling concerns her
And stop replying to me from this point on as well, you add up nothing new besides same thing
And stop replying to me from this point on as well, you add up nothing new besides same thing
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I understand you may be angry at people trying to wank SF before but i don't know how much more clear they can be at this point, capcom themselves describe ingrid as a higher dimensional being, she says in a blog she can erase the player from existence (and steam), her level 3 shows her looking at a multitude of books while floating in a void, with the opponent she just beat being in one of them, and now (probably the clearest yet), we've seen her arcade intro that shows her flipping through a book, seeing Ryu in it, and deciding to interact with him. we even see her starting to "flip the page", which is what makes Ryu first notice her.
She's a being that perceives the SF verse as a story book. the dialogue between her and ryu from the arcade intro also suggests she can change the book/timeline at will.
this doesn't mean SF scales to anything though, it just means Ingrid is an absurd outlier. i'm also not sure if this alone qualifies for outerversal, my previous post was more just a meme.
She's a being that perceives the SF verse as a story book. the dialogue between her and ryu from the arcade intro also suggests she can change the book/timeline at will.
this doesn't mean SF scales to anything though, it just means Ingrid is an absurd outlier. i'm also not sure if this alone qualifies for outerversal, my previous post was more just a meme.
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None of these things are even remotely enough to grand tier 1 even if its just her, the standards for these level requires a lot more to even quality for that, verses like DMC, GOW and the like got there via far more then what Ingrid is given
Being called higher dimensional by itself means nothing without more elaboration
Being called higher dimensional by itself means nothing without more elaboration
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Isn't Ingrid like the God of capcom or something? I remember reading a lot of comments like that a long time ago
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Quick summary from the wiki
Ingrid (イングリッド Inguriddo?), also known by the name of her emblem and code, Eternal Goddess and Isis respectively, is a video game character who was originally set to appear in the canceled 3D fighting game Capcom Fighting All-Stars and would instead make her debut in the 2D fighting game Capcom Fighting Evolution. She would later join the Street Fighter series starting with Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX before making her official mainline series debut[4] in Street Fighter 6 as part of the game's Year 3 Character Pass. Ingrid is an enigmatic and powerful being of cosmic origin with an important, yet mysterious destiny.
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I agree with that. Ingrid also did say her and the avatar were connected by fate if i'm remembering correctly. not sure what that entails and implies but i think it's something to take note of. the avatar also has connection to the wind spirit like Lily does if i'm also remembering correctly. if i was good at creating profiles i would try to make one for the avatar but it seems like a lot of work and effort goes into that though and they're very in-depth and informative too. don't think i could do that.
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thank you for the uploads. i'm wondering what the consensus is going to be on where Ingrid and the avatar stands.
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Dunno if we're doing spoilers tags or not so gonna play it safe:
From what I'm seeing she's def Low 2-C, World Tour has her destroy a parallel reality that exists as a "world between worlds" with no effort (She does say there's some "technicalities" in regards to the reality being a parallel world but she treats it as pretty much the same thing). Obviously none of the main cast scales to this, it's well established that she's comically above everyone else and is holding back against them, no funny business of Akuma being cosmic to be had here. Her true form is even stronger, she's a higher dimensional being who can't enter a universe without it being destroyed by her presence which is why she has to create projections of herself (Which is what the playable Ingrid is).
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Ingrid's World Tour confirms that all of the Code Holders are still canon.
And that they all carry powers similar to her own but present themselves in different ways.
And that they all carry powers similar to her own but present themselves in different ways.
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Howdy folks, Saman here to produce his two cents on the matter.
I'll start by saying I should return soon, unfortunately life has been stingy with free time to dedicate to the wiki for me, but I'm definitely working on Ingrid, before Alex even, whom, unfortunately, will have to wait a little more (I have to still handle Fatal Fury).
SPOILER SHIELD FROM NOW ON because I'm to lazy to obscure the whole paragraph.
Personally, from what we've seen of Ingrid, including World Tour, quotes, arcade etc.., my personal take would be to split her tier in physicals and hax.
The latter, would be easily Low 2-C, she destroys the parallel SF6 universe so casually and mentions several times her ability to consign universes to oblivion.
Regarding her physicals, I would upscale her to SF6 Ryu and, since her Alpha 3 MAX appearance is canon, to Evil Ryu and Psycho Drive Bison as well. She never confronts top dogs like Akuma directly, but she treats everyone with such sufficience, that it's indeed believable for her to be above every mortal.
I would also add a "possibly" to upscale her to the Darkstalkers, as Fighting Jam was canon to her, and she states to have stomped everyone, from Pyron to Morrigan, but those would be the crossover versions of the characters, not the main ones, so it's debatable whether or not they could scale equally.
That said, while she is repeteadly stated to be a higher-dimensional being, that alone does not suffice to bestow a tier anymore (iirc) and I don't believe there is a true R>F here (that's the appropriate term, right?).
Because, while the universes are portrayed as books to her, she never refers to them as fictional, as they're pretty much real to her and she is quite invested in their safekeeping.
I believe the books are a way to portray the universes, whether metaphysical or not, but they would be more akin to portals or higher-dimensional devices, like other fictions do with orbs, bubbles, paintings or other things.
I'll start by saying I should return soon, unfortunately life has been stingy with free time to dedicate to the wiki for me, but I'm definitely working on Ingrid, before Alex even, whom, unfortunately, will have to wait a little more (I have to still handle Fatal Fury).
SPOILER SHIELD FROM NOW ON because I'm to lazy to obscure the whole paragraph.
Personally, from what we've seen of Ingrid, including World Tour, quotes, arcade etc.., my personal take would be to split her tier in physicals and hax.
The latter, would be easily Low 2-C, she destroys the parallel SF6 universe so casually and mentions several times her ability to consign universes to oblivion.
Regarding her physicals, I would upscale her to SF6 Ryu and, since her Alpha 3 MAX appearance is canon, to Evil Ryu and Psycho Drive Bison as well. She never confronts top dogs like Akuma directly, but she treats everyone with such sufficience, that it's indeed believable for her to be above every mortal.
I would also add a "possibly" to upscale her to the Darkstalkers, as Fighting Jam was canon to her, and she states to have stomped everyone, from Pyron to Morrigan, but those would be the crossover versions of the characters, not the main ones, so it's debatable whether or not they could scale equally.
That said, while she is repeteadly stated to be a higher-dimensional being, that alone does not suffice to bestow a tier anymore (iirc) and I don't believe there is a true R>F here (that's the appropriate term, right?).
Because, while the universes are portrayed as books to her, she never refers to them as fictional, as they're pretty much real to her and she is quite invested in their safekeeping.
I believe the books are a way to portray the universes, whether metaphysical or not, but they would be more akin to portals or higher-dimensional devices, like other fictions do with orbs, bubbles, paintings or other things.
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I would suggest this needs a big ass note or something in this regard, because individuals are really adamant to say she is like DBS Goku and not distinguish hax and physicals
You are also aware Ingrid says the Bison from alpha 3 according to her needs no more then 15 minutes to put him down, even if by SF6 she is more powerful then even Ryu whom we have at roughly same level Akuma is currently, her alpha 3 version wasnt and she points out time passes for her too, difference being she isnt aging by comparison, so she needs different keys given she counts them canon
We have the Shin Akuma meteor calced from the crossover, if we wanna say Darkstalkers cast should scale to that or just go over all material available to that game, in order to give Ingrid a more accurate rating in her stats from there
Given she says she gotta assume a mortal body, which would explain why A.K.I. poison works on her and such, it can be given at the very least something hax wise, she has a lot indication the little girly appearance is just what she chooses to assume
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Her win quote against AKI is expressly her surprise that creating a corporeal form let AKI's poison affect her in a way by giving her a soar throat.
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Its no different then other characters in fiction relying on mortal body when their true form cant interact normally with the other characters and also said body being affected like anyone else by other powers
She tells the SF6 OC she gotta assume a body like others too besides her win quote towards A.K.I.
She tells the SF6 OC she gotta assume a body like others too besides her win quote towards A.K.I.
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This is cool.
I like Ingrid in SF6. She's weird and cool.
I like Ingrid in SF6. She's weird and cool.
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Why would her physicals not coincide with her level? She's going easy on everyone, nobody downscales to her at all
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Because some characters in fiction dont use their own body physically to perform feats, but rather the powers, you need to have proof her body scaling to them
Unless you wanna say every telekinesis user in fiction scales to it physically for example, same goes here
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So it's looking like her rating would be "At least Island level, Universe level+ with her powers" for her projection. Although depending on how strong the feats in Fighting Jam are she could have her physicals higher (I think I've seen the Shin Akuma meteor get calced at country level before, dunno how accurate that is though). Would her true form just be Low 2-C all around, I dunno how having an existence too complex for a universe to contain works in regards to throwing a big punch or whatever.
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Okay, it still sounds wack, "Universe+ with powers", as if her powers aren't the principal reason of why she can physically stomp characters like Ryu, Akuma and Bison, just looks like a weird distinction, I'm pretty sure that without her powers she wouldn't even be Lily's level at all
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Like I said in the example above, unless you wanna say for example all telekinesis users can physically do the same thing with their bodies like their power its simply not viable, Ingrid has no instance of affecting universes or timelines by her punches or kicks, its that simple
So you just gonna ignore she beat Bison in her story easily? Let alone she thinks Darkstalkers characters aint shit to her either, even as far as Alpha 3 she was comparable to Bison amplified by the psycho drive satellite
You are ridiculous claiming she is that weak just cuz her tier 2 powers dont count for physicals
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Yes, without her powers, which are literally the source of all her strength she would at best be a fighter in the level of like Lily, and that's only because of her fighting skills nothing more, but news for you, Ingrid literally has her powers alll the time, they're part of her, she doesn't have a "without powers" self at all, so I don't know why are you so hung up on her defeating those characters as some type of counter to my argument, she literally has her powers when she did those feats
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You clearly have no idea how things work here especially when it comes to whether a character scales physically to a feat or not
It is a counter cuz those characters she beats by h2h, which is physicals and back then she wasnt as crazy as now in SF6, her feats where she destroys timelines and universes is with her powers only, which is a clear distinction you dont comprehend or wanna understand
Gill has powers to manipulate water to 6-C level, yet physically shown nothing comparable to that, whats so hard to get....
It is a counter cuz those characters she beats by h2h, which is physicals and back then she wasnt as crazy as now in SF6, her feats where she destroys timelines and universes is with her powers only, which is a clear distinction you dont comprehend or wanna understand
Gill has powers to manipulate water to 6-C level, yet physically shown nothing comparable to that, whats so hard to get....
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Isnt this confirmed as a small portion of Ingrid's power? It's labelled as unknown scaling wise but if theres any way to help upscale her?
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Maybe there's a better way to describe the split between her physicals and universe destroying abilities then just saying "Universe level+" with her powers? Wording it that way would make anyone viewing the profile think that would also apply to the energy attacks she uses which are portrayed as on the same level as her physicals.
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There's really not need for any type of "split" about her power and physicals, her physicals are as strong as they're because of her powers, the only stuff that as far as we know that don't have anything to do with her powers would be her fighting skills, also nobody actually scales to her at all, they don't even downscale of her, as she stomps everyone and holds back a lot
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Nothing confirms SFxT is canon and only the comic book alludes to that, the game itself isnt and its been concluded they dont match canons, the short episodes show Shadaloo, G Corp and Mishima Zaibatsu all fight for the box, the comic shows Ryu and Ken fight their rivals and thats about it
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