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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

DavidTPPM said:
Orders of magnitude go by 10x

10 c is basically irrelevant to the general scaling.

No?
The canonicity is clear.
And it's not just "some" characters, it's the top tiers in shippuden and characters who scale above them.

Specifically BM Naruto and Isshikis/Kawakis rods are 280 c because they're stated to be 10x superior to Jigens who was at least 28 c
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I have last comment

If you have any chance of sending the panels or something, I would be very happy. If you don't have the panels, that's fine, I don't want to bother you

And I still don't understand where the 10c is coming from
 
KaramcaS said:
I have last comment

If you have any chance of sending the panels or something, I would be very happy. If you don't have the panels, that's fine, I don't want to bother you

And I still don't understand where the 10c is coming from
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Some characters can somewhat fight the 28c characters but they are a bit inferior so they are downscaled to baseline ftl+ which is 10c. It's a wiki downscaling rule
 
DavidTPPM said:
Yep

No they can't. They very very vaguely scale physically above him if even that (Darui literally fails to tag offguard Momoshiki twice and gets his surprise double handed attack blocked by Momoshiki with a single hand).

Juubidara still absolutely hax and skill stomps their ass even 4v1. Even 5v1 if you include Shikamaru as the hokage instead of Naruto
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All the boruto kages are 2.8x faster than madara ,arent they? İ gave this argumant just to justify kido's and bee's power gap
 
Aytugsss said:
All the boruto kages are 2.8x faster than madara ,arent they?
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On paper sure but Madara scales above the 10 c value while gokage downscale from 28 c.

Realistically I'd eat Madara is probably just outright faster, our profiles are just overly conservative about the WA backscaling and generous about the gokage scaling in general.

Either way a 2.8x speed gap is not nearly enough to beat Madara. He legit just Limbo-checks and TSO's their asses. Or just IT's them.
Aytugsss said:
İ gave this argumant just to justify kido's and bee's power gap
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I don’t think there's much justification necessary. There's a lot of factors playing at once.

Kido is using Kurama chakra from 6 paths Naruto so it could be amped up.
The only reason Kido scales so much higher than some WA folks is not because he has a direct scaling chain above them but because they don't have a scaling chain to him.
Kurama boosts are just generally inconsistent.
Etc
 
DavidTPPM said:
On paper sure but Madara scales above the
10 c value while gokage downscale from 28 c
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Kages downscales from 28c?
Shouldnt they be above 28c, because momoshiki and kinshiki should be above 28 c?
There is no reason for me to debate kages vs madara i just think madara should be above them but like i said, i just give an example
 
Aytugsss said:
Kages downscales from 28c?
Shouldnt they be above 28c, because momoshiki and kinshiki should be above 28 c?
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Momoshiki and Kinshiki are a threat to Kaguya so they vaguely scale to her.
However the gokage are blatantly inferior to them.

Like I said Darui is so much slower in combat speed he fails to tag OFFGUARD Momoshiki twice. In comparison 6 paths Naruto who was pretty much equal with Juubidara could in fact tag offguard Kaguya and even react to her attacks. So Madara is in fact closer to Kaguya than gokage are.
Aytugsss said:
There is no reason for me to debate kages vs madara i just think madara should be above them but like i said, i just give an example
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Sure. I'm just saying the wiki doesn't claim the gokage beat Madara.
In fact I'm pretty sure if a 4v1 match up was made Madara would overwhelmingly sweep them
 
DavidTPPM said:
Momoshiki and Kinshiki are a threat to Kaguya so they vaguely scale to her.
However the gokage are blatantly inferior to them.

Like I said Darui is so much slower in combat speed he fails to tag OFFGUARD Momoshiki twice. In comparison 6 paths Naruto who was pretty much equal with Juubidara could in fact tag offguard Kaguya and even react to her attacks. So Madara is in fact closer to Kaguya than gokage are.

Sure. I'm just saying the wiki doesn't claim the gokage beat Madara.
In fact I'm pretty sure if a 4v1 match up was made Madara would overwhelmingly sweep them
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Kaguya also scales above 28c isnt she?
Madara should be scale close to 28 i can accept it
But i dont think madara can easily beat them
 
Aytugsss said:
Kaguya also scales above 28c isnt she?
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Vaguely yes. Basically Kaguya is still a threat to TL Naruto who's said to be superior to Sakura who's 28 c
Aytugsss said:
Madara should be scale close to 28 i can accept it
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Yeah.
Aytugsss said:
But i dont think madara can easily beat them
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They get absolutely destroyed through hax.

Literally no answers to limbo, TSO, genjutsu, rinnegan hax, or IT. Also virtually no answer for his immortality
 
DavidTPPM said:
Literally no answers to limbo, TSO, genjutsu, rinnegan hax, or IT. Also virtually no answer for his immortality
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There is a time limit for limbo and they have enough defence capabilitys because of gaara they may not able to beat him but they can resist for some time
 
Why doesnt base naruto scales to 28c btw?
İ re read the momoshiki fight and he can react him for some time
 
DavidTPPM said:
Madara is immune to ninjutsu without sage mode AND can yk, also absorb ninjutsu on top of it.
🫪
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Momoshki not only absorb jutsu but can launch them stronger ,madaras absorb is weaker than momoshikis
Madara can be damaged without senjutsu he wont use tso shield constantly
 
Aytugsss said:
Momoshki not only absorb jutsu but can launch them stronger
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Which is completely irrelevant given Madaras TSO alone are better offense than anything Momoshiki could throw back at them
Aytugsss said:
madaras absorb is weaker than momoshikis
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Actually for this match up it's better because it's omnidirectional and not as easy to counter as stabbing the palm of Madaras hand.
Aytugsss said:
Madara can be damaged without senjutsu he wont use tso shield constantly
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No? TSOs erase and nullify any non-senjutsu but even the body of a Juubi Jinchuriki is immune to any non-senjutsu ninjutsu.

Meaning the gokage would be even more restricted to taijutsu than against Momoshiki.
 
Aytugsss said:
Momoshki not only absorb jutsu but can launch them stronger ,madaras absorb is weaker than momoshikis
Madara can be damaged without senjutsu he wont use tso shield constantly
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He can use TSO shield constantly
Madara has Spsm and rinnegan
Spsm already gave hım huge analytical boost
None of the Kages are able to see Limbo
Huge Aoe Chibaku tensei would have destroyed them or Generally chibaku tensei destroys them lmfao their Lifting strength isnt good (only exception Being gaara ) they wouldnt get crushed but they would definitly get sealed
Divine tree as well. None of them actually have great analytical abilities only gaara can avoid some hits but thats it he will get TSO' d by a second or third attack
Chakra recivers gets the job done as well
Bro also has a low mid to mid Regen and immortality how they gonna kill hım ör restrain hım at all
Limbo s time limit is a nonexistent argument
 
FARLANDER3305 said:
Hell i would argue that this Gokage fight is Even easier than his previous Gokage fight 😭
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Yeah because the current kages are way stronger than the previous kage not only do they have genuine feat on momoshiki it took kawaki gaining the v2 karma in nng before we got a direct statement saying that the kages(villages) were no longer a threat to kawaki mind you kawaki scales to borushiki who was called a "greater than force than Sasuke" he also scales above code and we have direct statement from limiter code stating that he could take on Naruto but it would be a difficult battle. Stop downplaying tye new gen kage lol
 
DavidTPPM said:
Which is completely irrelevant given Madaras TSO alone are better offense than anything Momoshiki could throw back at them

Actually for this match up it's better because it's omnidirectional and not as easy to counter as stabbing the palm of Madaras hand.

No? TSOs erase and nullify any non-senjutsu but even the body of a Juubi Jinchuriki is immune to any non-senjutsu ninjutsu.

Meaning the gokage would be even more restricted to taijutsu than against Momoshiki.
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i didnt know juubi jinchuriki is immune to ninjutsu
 
Richardo908 said:
Yeah because the current kages are way stronger than the previous kage not only do they have genuine feat on momoshiki it took kawaki gaining the v2 karma in nng before we got a direct statement saying that the kages(villages) were no longer a threat to kawaki mind you kawaki scales to borushiki who was called a "greater than force than Sasuke" he also scales above code and we have direct statement from limiter code stating that he could take on Naruto but it would be a difficult battle. Stop downplaying tye new gen kage lol
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İ wasnt downplaying them but they have no answer agaisnt Any of Madara s hax or abilitys they are just fast strong and calculated
İf it wasnt for Naruto and Sasuke Fused Momo would immeadietly wipe them out which he did btw but there was Naruto and sasuke he needed to deal with them so no time for Killing 🤪
 
Richardo908 said:
Yeah because the current kages are way stronger than the previous kage not only do they have genuine feat on momoshiki it took kawaki gaining the v2 karma in nng before we got a direct statement saying that the kages(villages) were no longer a threat to kawaki mind you kawaki scales to borushiki who was called a "greater than force than Sasuke" he also scales above code and we have direct statement from limiter code stating that he could take on Naruto but it would be a difficult battle. Stop downplaying tye new gen kage lol
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Nobody is downplaying the new gokage, they're just ass compared to Juubidara, even if you grant then low-end Momoshiki scaling.

The gap between them and Juubidara is definitely bigger than the gap between shippuden gokage and edo Madara was
 
These boruto gokage frauds dont deserve this 5b rating they have. If boruto anime was canon, Kurotsuchi won't even be 5B cuz she lost to Ku, who lost to an extremely old geezer ohnoki. A stronger Ohnoki got his hand handed to him by Reanimated Madara. Not even Juubidara
 
the anime is canon tbh it's just the manga takes priority. honestly, her feat against kin is quite literally catching him off guard. the only reason she's rated tier 5 is because "muh Sasuke believes the Kage will be strong enough to fight them" aka narrative. which is like ehhhh... not only do all of them minus like Gaara suck ass, but she and Chojuro both suck within their own anime canon scenes
 
Samlex1234 said:
@Nierre what are you hoping to get in this story guide dropping next week?
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It's very unlikely that we're getting anime stuff so I'm not expecting any, but as for manga stuff, I'd love to get more of an elaboration on Himawari and Kurama's relationship. Specifically Himawari's status as a Jinjuurki.
Maybe some off screen stuff Team 10's training or the Sand trio's training as well.
Any mentions of Orochimaru in relation to Mitsuki, whether it's new upgrades or training/abilities Mitsuki learned/picked up from the former.
Although I said no anime stuff.. Jougan???? Would love some clarification on that but I doubt it.
Would love more explicit statements about Kawaki's upgrades, how much stronger he's grown (superior or not to Isshiki).
Maybe some stuff about Hidari, though that will probably be saved for his next fight.
Would like to hear how the other villages are preparing/handling the new threats, but I doubt we'll get anymore than we've already gotten (nothing much outside of Sand and Leaf lol)
 
Nierre said:
It's very unlikely that we're getting anime stuff so I'm not expecting any, but as for manga stuff, I'd love to get more of an elaboration on Himawari and Kurama's relationship. Specifically Himawari's status as a Jinjuurki.
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It’s until Next generation while Hima and Kurama are introduced in TBV so we won’t see anything about them
 
Nierre said:
It's very unlikely that we're getting anime stuff so I'm not expecting any, but as for manga stuff, I'd love to get more of an elaboration on Himawari and Kurama's relationship. Specifically Himawari's status as a Jinjuurki.
Maybe some off-screen stuff Team 10's training or the Sand trio's training as well.
Any mentions of Orochimaru in relation to Mitsuki, whether it's new upgrades or training/abilities Mitsuki learned/picked up from the former.
Although I said no anime stuff.. Jougan???? Would love some clarification on that but I doubt it.
Would love more explicit statements about Kawaki's upgrades, how much stronger he's grown (superior or not to Isshiki).
Maybe some stuff about Hidari, though that will probably be saved for his next fight.
Would like to hear how the other villages are preparing/handling the new threats, but I doubt we'll get anymore than we've already gotten (nothing much outside of Sand and Leaf lol)
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Great!!. Hopefully we actually get some anime stuff, Jougan being the most important so at least this whole canon not canon arguments is clarified once and for all.


This is the reason why I'm actually hopeful for some anime stuff.
 
Boruto said Daemon's strength is limitless, where would that put him? Above or below Post upgrades Karma Kawaki?
 
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