Arkenis
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And then he says "enough force to level this place" they are clearly not talking about the dimension itself. You don't wipe a dimension off the map
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(STAFF ONLY) Issues with Seven Deadly Sins 4-B rating
- Thread starter M3X_2.0
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AP still ≠ DC explain how the ENTIRETY of the most powerful being in the verse is used inside a shield After creating tens of 4-A dimensions and still gets destroyed
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The craziest cop out I've ever seen
Demon_Lord18
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“Wipe off the map” is a way of saying that everything will be destroyed, not that it would literally disappear from some map. I thought everyone knew that.And then he says "enough force to level this place" they are clearly not talking about the dimension itself. You don't wipe a dimension off the map
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Oh my God bro there is NO 4-B SHIELD. You’re getting 4-B because you’re acting like the creation feat is somehow legit and scales to her magic
Cath CHARGING UP an attack has 6-B potency
The shield did NOT withstood a 4-A attack, there is nothing in the SDS verse that has this energy. You’re taking a creation feat and saying it applies to her shield like Nakaba didn’t make Cath a 6-B character
Damn dude
Arkenis
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I’m only stepping in to say that there’s more feats by The Behemoth.
His awakening was stated to be shaking the atmosphere and the entire land of the Demon Realm which was accepted at High 6-A. The validity of the calc could always be questioned tho.
His full awakening with the screams and such accepted at 5-C. Again, The Validity could always be questioned
There’s like 3 more behemoth feats that Range from High 6-B to 5-C iirc but I’m too lazy to link them
But it could always be wrong
Mbpoops
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Watch project hail mary
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His magic created a 4-B dimension, therefore how is it not 4-B ?
He channeled the entirety of said magic into a shield.
Using a tier 6 DC feat when characters far weaker are casual planet busters is dumb
You’re funny ngl
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Prove creation scales to destructive capacity. This is why Overlord is currently Low 7-C, because it's answer to this question was "UMMMMMMMM UHHHHHHHHHHH CAN I HAVE A BATHROOM BREAK?"
...right.
Thank you! Take notes Baguette enjoyer, this is how ya use more than one feat from a guy to back up an argument!
Arkenis
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Scan?
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And then he says "enough force to level this place" they are clearly not talking about the dimension itself. You don't wipe a dimension off the map
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It is not an amp from weapons. They need weapons to draw out their full power. This would mean that they would never reach that level via physicals. Diana is a prime example of this.
There may be exceptions to this rule but it doesn't change the fact that it's not a universal standard.
King is a walking and breathing defeater to ues. He is so ridiculously weak compared using magic on his sacred treasure
What 4B shield?
Arkenis
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Oh yeah nuke the whole verse
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U’re so slow, he created a 4-B dimension with his magic Then channeled it entirely (the whole Energy that created a 4-B structure) inside a shield that was Then destroyed
(meliodas existing on Earth was gonna destroy it)
Re5yh
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No scans?, no statements?
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Read the recent chapters I beg
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So no, there is no proof of that.
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Because this same ******* character charged up an attack and it was only powerful enough to destroy Britannia which has less than 500 ******* kilometers of diameter from the top to the bottom.
You are acting like “he created a dimension therefore all his magic is 4-A” but it’s not, there is NO “4-A” energy here, there is no such a thing as Tier 4 Cath, the creation has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with her magic.
And this thread is gonna be closed and accepted in a minute cause you can’t defend the verse for shit and only repeats the same points without any scan showed.
Why don’t you just stop commenting at all if that’s all you’re gonna bring to the discussion?
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Let’s not start calling each other names or saying someone is slow over 7 deadly sins
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The scans are already in the verse page for Behemoth being a casual planet buster and were sent by demonlord a few message ago for the 4-A dimension and the shield
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So you’re still dodging
He created the dimensions through Chaos magic lol then channeled it inside a shield
Scans were sent already
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It was already sent by demonlord
Demon_Lord18
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The point is that this is not a limiter. Cath is literally not using all of his power in this attack; in fact, he was already quite weakened after having his shield destroyed, he couldn’t even form a complete body, and he no longer had the energy to regenerate. Therefore, once again, I don’t see how this can be considered a limiter.
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don’t give me orders sir
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+ once again characters weaker are casual planet busters AP≠DC
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Should put an asterisk after the Planet Buster
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You have to have a goddam DC feat first, scale someone to it and then other people that can fight said people or are stronger but don't display that level of DC feat would now be allowed to scale under the rule of Ap≠ DC.. The question is where is the DC feat to start all these scaling
Bossbrosish
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I genuinely think you're going in circles with this "AP≠DC" stuff. This thread already has like 5 mod votes already, so what's the point of arguing for Tier 4 when the downgrade is going to happen?
Digital_Franz
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Yeah sure.
OK. Let me ask you this: do you think what you're talking about is a AP feat?
He drank the source of power, so obviously the thing will disappear, but that in no way pushes him to such a level. The equivalent of your logic is saying that if a 6-A character absorbs all the life energy of a 2-C character, then they must have a 2-C AP. Though I wonder how someone can drink something infinite but let's go.
OK.
I'll cast aside Merlin as an example. I'll use the biggest shard in your feets, Elizabeth. You guys did a good job making the diff between her physcal and magical AP. We have Melascula for the demons.
Never proved this btw.
No Tier in sight in that regard.
"Eating" does that have to scale to his phycial abilities?
And so? I don't get it.
OK. Good for him. What's the relation with the AP?
OK and so? He scales to that because he's necessary?
I fear I have to inform you that because the characters can cast magical powers through their bodies the UES isn't granted. In fact, there are 3 criteria to meet in order to obtain the UES. Naruto for example doesn't have UES despite the characters being able to do that.
I mean, it's explicitly a similar cooked here. Why are we assuming his creation feat should scale to his phycial abilities?
What is the evidence that this meets the conditions to be tiered?
I genuinely wonder where you take the destruction of 4-A dimension in these scans. All I read is the destruction of a mere land.
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You actually don’t, let’s NNT loses it’s UES.
The 4-B feat with magic would be « 4-B with Creation »
But the magical output would still exist it would just not scale to physicals.
Then Cath channeled the entirety of said magic into a shield
In this scenario no need for a DC feat
This is getting a tad heated.
I don't much about this verse but I think the AP =/= DC stuff is being misused to extrapolate a cope out of a valid anti statement, especially if the only viable "tier 4" feat is done via creation as that would make it a massive outlier, the biggest counter evidence for any tier 4 stuff is the notion that a combined and amped attack from all the sins would only destroy a continent, something that AP=/=DC can't handwave unless the tier 4 scaling has a more solid foundation than just being upheld by a single creation feat that's the only one of its kind to even reach that tier.
Unless there is smth else I'm missing there doesn't seem to be any solid case for us to believe the characters are several orders of magnitudes stronger than what their highest amped combined attack can achieve in terms of destruction, but this is coming from a limited pool of knowledge so I could be missing context ig.
I don't much about this verse but I think the AP =/= DC stuff is being misused to extrapolate a cope out of a valid anti statement, especially if the only viable "tier 4" feat is done via creation as that would make it a massive outlier, the biggest counter evidence for any tier 4 stuff is the notion that a combined and amped attack from all the sins would only destroy a continent, something that AP=/=DC can't handwave unless the tier 4 scaling has a more solid foundation than just being upheld by a single creation feat that's the only one of its kind to even reach that tier.
Unless there is smth else I'm missing there doesn't seem to be any solid case for us to believe the characters are several orders of magnitudes stronger than what their highest amped combined attack can achieve in terms of destruction, but this is coming from a limited pool of knowledge so I could be missing context ig.
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What 7DS did to you? Also I agree with OP.
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Unless he created the dimension instantly then even all his magic put together is not enough to match that level. Coz if he did the feat overtime then there is ample time for him to discharge energy far above his weight class overtime.
Also it just says all the chaos power in his body currently. If it was all of his magic then he should be immediately be a zero once the shield broke
Fallen_Angelicx
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It seems Makai is talking about this. Imo, I feel like the issue lies in the context not being clear as to what the NNT supporters are trying to say. It isn't word for word saying "creation" or "destruction" of some mass structure but visually represented, such as the shield.
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Physically drinking an infinite source of magical water that also amps physicals
I already answered this in previous messages
It’s called enchantment…
It does
Through size alone it would
Without his magical output holding it it gets destroyed
Hades style
Naruto is listed on the UES verse page
Channeled the entirety of said magical Power into a shield
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Questions for you then
#1 How long did it take for the dimension to be created? Did it take multiple bouts of his magic running out and being reused to do so? Because we know that when it comes to NNT creation, even for Chaos, not everything just poofed into existence at the same time, shown as they frequently note the Supreme Deity, the Demon King, and the Sacred Tree coming into existence from Chaos, yet the Supreme Deity came prior to the others, showing that there's an order to creation of things of that caliber. Was it all made at once? Or was it made in portions.
#2 What support is there that says that all of Cath's magic went towards the shield? It just says all that Cath crystallized all of the chaotic force he could, not that he crystalized all of the magic that he owns. The bastard clearly had magic left.
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Per sec output is 4-B
Yes all the chaos Power he has currently (he didn’t absorb chaos entirely)
Just look at the panels he got into his cat form again
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