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Team Fortress 2 - (tier 8/7 upgrade thread)

LandonTheGuy

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Pretty much, last ctr didn't exactly work due of the fact that i had 13+ calcs and 17+ proposals for the new scaling for the whole verse (previus crt), it wasn't totally rejected, just abbandoned ig.

So i will just go haed and just do "1" thing at the time this once, hopefully it's better.

Varius Calcs and Revisions

Tier 8
-Vaporization of a kaiju - 14.55 Tons of tnt (City Block level) (EVALUATED)
-Cow mangler inverse square law - 65,27 Tons of tnt (City block level+) (EVALUATED)
-The black box turns tanks into ashes - 67.5 Tons of tnt (City Block Level+) (EVALUATED)
-Cow mangler charged shot - 261,08 tons of tnt to 783,24 Tons of tnt (Multi city blocks up to Multi city blocks+) (EVALUATED)

Tier 7
-The aliens pulverize the pyramids - 119.233 Kilotons (Large Town level) (EVALUATED)
-Subatomic disintegration (lesser volumes) - 162.6 Kilotons to 99.33 megatons (Large town level up to City Level+) (EVALUATED)
-Subatomic disintegration (bigger volumes) - 178.43 Kilotons to 163.5128327 megatons (Large town level up to Mountain level) (EVALUATED)

Tier 6
-IBlowUpTheMoon ap - 607,33 Teratons of tnt (Large Country level)
-All of earth's nukes can move the moon - 776.562 teratons of TNT (Continent level)

So, the bread monster calc is currently rated as a magnetude 3.5 earthquake, but i have reasons to belive this one is a 4.0 earthquake based on some evidence.

For reference
  1. The marcally scale specifies that a 4.0 earthquake is: "Felt indoors by many" "Walls make a cracking sound" "Sensation like an heavy truck striking a building" wich do all correspond to what we hear and see in the feat.
  2. 3D rapresentations of earthquakes shows us that a 3.5 looks to be less violent to what we ear in the video: 3.5 - 4.0.
So my proposal is to upgrade the feat to the baseline for a 4.0 earthquake, 15.0802413958 Tons of tnt (City Block level)

-Cowmangler 5000 speed - 749.481.145 m/s or 2.5 c (FTL) (EVALUATED)
-Scout dodges the cowmangler - 5.369.497.060,25 m/s or 17,91 C, (FTL+) (EVALUATED)

-Soldier jumps with a shit ton of ghear on him - 1.67 up to 3.35 Metric Tons (Class 5) (EVALUATED)


Scaling

Everyone on base should have these stats (not counting the multipliers that we have in MVM):
  • Attack Potency: 67.5 Tons of tnt
  • Speed: Mach 3.85 <-doesn't change
  • Lifting Strenght: 1.67 Metric Tons
All vaporization feats only scale to the mercs weapons, but the mercs should get Resistence to Heat and Matter manipulation as they still deal a lot with these weapons.

It will be added a new Key for the mercs, Australium Chase, every mercs just upscale their Robot War Key here, but Heavy gets an At most stat that gives him ap comparable to the average Australian, giving him At most 119.233 Kilotons, this applies to heavy because:

  1. He menages to hold his own against Meggie in tug war, who's an Australian.
  2. Survives a beating against TFC heavy, who had access to australium at that moment (Australium is the source of Australian's strenght)
Saxton Hale pretty much upscales everything lol (Hale will be 6-B due of this statement).

AGREE: @Plants_vs_zombies_fan101 @Rex_Eckles @MatterNerd @RaikiKurohane99

DISAGREE:
 
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Rex_Eckles said:
Are we just gonna use the common feat for earthquakes for the Bread Monster or your revised end for the original calculation?
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yes, baseline 4.0 earthquake cuz the method for the area has it's flaws


and also because darkcaricola won't respond me
 
For the AP, Dr.Grorfbort a completely different franchise, so I am not sure we can use it. As for the podcasts, are they even canon or officially endorsed by Valve?
The Bread Monster Upgrade looks fine
LandonTheGuy said:
Everyone on base should have these stats (not counting the multipliers that we have in MVM):
  • Attack Potency: 67.5 Tons of tnt
  • Speed: Mach 3.85 <-doesn't change
  • Lifting Strenght: 1.67 Metric Tons
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Agree

LandonTheGuy said:
All vaporization feats only scale to the mercs weapons, but the mercs should get Resistence to Heat and Matter manipulation as they still deal a lot with these weapons.
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Agree

LandonTheGuy said:
It will be added a new Key for the mercs, Australium Chase, every mercs just upscale their Robot War Key here, but Heavy gets an At most stat that gives him ap comparable to the average Australian, giving him At most 119.233 Kilotons, this applies to heavy because:

  1. He menages to hold his own against Meggie in tug war, who's an Australian.
  2. Survives a beating against TFC heavy, who had access to australium at that moment (Australium is the source of Australian's strenght)
Saxton Hale pretty much upscales everything lol (Hale will be 6-B due of this statement).
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Same issue. Is the podcast canon? Isn't even official?

Edit: There is this
 
LegendariumOfLies said:
For the AP, Dr.Grorfbort a completely different franchise, so I am not sure we can use it. As for the podcasts, are they even canon or officially endorsed by Valve?
The Bread Monster Upgrade looks fine

Agree


Agree


Same issue. Is the podcast canon? Isn't even official?

Edit: There is this
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Sorry if i respond now it's 2 am now, but this is just a stat revision for the verse.

Other stuff related to abilities and such will be done in a later crt after this one, so if u got ideas on what to add to the abilities previusly discussed in the previus crt, it would be pretty cool put of you.
 
Rex_Eckles said:
Later, let's focus on the tier changes for now.
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Fair enough.

LandonTheGuy said:
Sorry if i respond now it's 2 am now, but this is just a stat revision for the verse.

Other stuff related to abilities and such will be done in a later crt after this one, so if u got ideas on what to add to the abilities previusly discussed in the previus crt, it would be pretty cool put of you.
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My main contention is with using Dr.Grorfbort at all, but it doesn't seem to matter that much given the calcs
 
LegendariumOfLies said:
Fair enough.



My main contention is with using Dr.Grorfbort at all, but it doesn't seem to matter that much given the calcs
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realistically, there's only 1 calc that is 100% not related to tf2 at all (kaiyu vap calc), the rest is either taken from a tf2 burp of the weapons (that were specifically supported by valve for the game) or in game feats of the weapons.

But, yeah... from one hand, yes it's a feat from another continuity, in the other hand they are using the literal same weapons.
 
LandonTheGuy said:
am i even allowed to pin them?

i don't really know if they would even want to come here considering they just left me there to methaphorically "rot"
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I get it, but otherwise it might look like we're trying to circumvent their disagreements.

Only staff can ping others, I was thinking of messaging them through their preferred communication channels.
 
Rex_Eckles said:
I get it, but otherwise it might look like we're trying to circumvent their disagreements.

Only staff can ping others, I was thinking of messaging them through their preferred communication channels.
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fine by me then

i'll see if they respond to my messages
 
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So like, how exactly would anyone scale to the whole “aliens blowing stuff up” part of this besides a vague “they fought aliens” statement?
 
Junkoposter said:
So like, how exactly would anyone scale to the whole “aliens blowing stuff up” part of this besides a vague “they fought aliens” statement?
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the only one who realistically scales to that are the:

Australians: pretty much fended off the whole invasion on their continent (mind you the aliens came down blasting, mf vaporized an entire group of hippies instantly, so i they would use their weapons against the Australians too).

Meggie: she's an Australian or at the very least comparable to that

Hale: yeah

TFC Heavy (only with immortality machine): has access to australium and this one is repetitly stated to give australians their abilities.

Heavy (as an at most value only in the Australium chase key): He has contended with meggie and TFC Heavy gave him a beating for a long time.



The mercs themself do not scale due of the fact that as you say, their participation to the war was questionabile.
 
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