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The Eminence in the Shadows Discussion Thread

 
Heyo, I have a question, why is no one using the solar system explosion that happend on season 2? is there any reason?

Edit: NvM just saw why, but is anyone free to do a cid kagenou anime profile?
 
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Heyo, I have a question, why is no one using the solar system explosion that happend on season 2? is there any reason?

Edit: NvM just saw why, but is anyone free to do a cid kagenou anime profile?
I've done some calculations for the anime, would probably need help with confirming the numbers.
I would also need to get a catalogue of hax, would hax from light now carry over? Since the Light novel is canon to the anime, but the anime isnt to the novel (for obvious reason)
 
I've done some calculations for the anime, would probably need help with confirming the numbers.
I would also need to get a catalogue of hax, would hax from light now carry over? Since the Light novel is canon to the anime, but the anime isnt to the novel (for obvious reason)
No, the LN isn't canon to the anime.

Edit: also, a friend of mine is already making the anime profile. @Syncornize
 
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No, the LN isn't canon to the anime.
Then the anime profile will be ass hax wise. Since the anime doesn't really go into detail about certain things, like his Regeneration negation in like episode 2.

So why not though? what does the light novel do that the anime doesn't? Cause we can point to instances of the Anime going off novel script but for the most part it's pretty 1:1

Also does this friend have calcs of the solar system wide feat, the moving in a flash of lightning speed feat, kid cid attacking claire as if she's frozen in time?

Also, Would the game also not be able to be added. Since that actually discusses things the anime doesn't touch but it did happen
 
Then the anime profile will be ass hax wise. Since the anime doesn't really go into detail about certain things, like his Regeneration negation in like episode 2.
"Otherwise the profile is weak" it's not a justification though. Also the anime Cid is still highly skilled and it's not like the LN profile has some absurd hax either, other than skill based ones (Martial Arts, Analytical Prediction...) and some magical but basic stuff. He currently doesn't have regen negation either.
So why not though? what does the light novel do that the anime doesn't? Cause we can point to instances of the Anime going off novel script but for the most part it's pretty 1:1
They literally change all fighting scenes and add tons of random feats which far surpass what the LN, manga and game show.
Also does this friend have calcs of the solar system wide feat, the moving in a flash of lightning speed feat, kid cid attacking claire as if she's frozen in time?
We have accepted versions of the first and the last you mentioned, since years. The second no, nor i have any idea how to calc it relaiably.
Also, Would the game also not be able to be added. Since that actually discusses things the anime doesn't touch but it did happen
Meh, idk. I would just keep the anime as anime. Because if we add all those things, which are used for the current profile, there's no reason to have different ones. For this wiki new profiles are meant to be different, but if we start to mix other things to the anime, then it becomes the current profile just with higher speed. It doesn't make sense at all.
 
"Otherwise the profile is weak" it's not a justification though.
Im not saying it is, Im calling out that it really doesnt seem to be a fair reason to not say the things explained in the light novel doesnt happen in the anime.
He currently doesn't have regen negation either.
He should, he negated Grease's regeneration. Alpha did also with someone else, which the anime actually shows more than with grease.

They literally change all fighting scenes and add tons of random feats which far surpass what the LN, manga and game show.
I mean yeah, the anime does, but that doesnt mean context from the light novel isnt usable to explain parts of the anime. Thatd be an argument for the anime not being canon to the light novel, since it took liberties. Not vice versa

We have accepted versions of the first and the last you mentioned, since years. The second no, nor i have any idea how to calc it relaiably.
I didnt see the crt for the solar system one, nice.

As for the flash of lightning feat, unless obviously there's an anti-feat for which there isnt, you could just argue for the speed of light, since they were moving during the flash of lightning, or maybe thats a reach tbh.
Meh, idk. I would just keep the anime as anime. Because if we add all those things, which are used for the current profile, there's no reason to have different ones. For this wiki new profiles are meant to be different, but if we start to mix other things to the anime, then it becomes the current profile just with higher speed. It doesn't make sense at all.
Fair
 
Im not saying it is, Im calling out that it really doesnt seem to be a fair reason to not say the things explained in the light novel doesnt happen in the anime.
He should, he negated Grease's regeneration. Alpha did also with someone else, which the anime actually shows more than with grease.


I mean yeah, the anime does, but that doesnt mean context from the light novel isnt usable to explain parts of the anime. Thatd be an argument for the anime not being canon to the light novel, since it took liberties. Not vice versa


I didnt see the crt for the solar system one, nice.

As for the flash of lightning feat, unless obviously there's an anti-feat for which there isnt, you could just argue for the speed of light, since they were moving during the flash of lightning, or maybe thats a reach tbh.

Fair
Well, i don't recall lack of important explainations in the anime; if there are, it can be discussed case by case. But again, it wouldn't make sense to fuse all canons because otherwise there would be no difference between the current profile and the "anime" one (aside from higher speed), and the wiki requires that, otherwise the new profile can't be created. So I would go with what's in the anime only.

For regen, Cid didnt negated, he just ine shotted him. For Alpha, she might have simply cured Millia in a way, like Cid did in v6. In the game they mention a way to negate regenaration tbh, but they are never shown to apply it, in fact they can't negate Vampires' regen. While I can see them having it, it's a bit inconsistent imo, I wouldn't add it unless we have more ground for it.


Out of topic: currently i can't do ***** for the wiki, but in early december I'll open a crt to add few things to Cid and buff his intelligence (not the rating tho), alongside adding the Island calc, with an upscaling to large Island. After I'll post Epsilon profile, and after it, I'll make Gamma's.
 
For regen, Cid didnt negated, he just ine shotted him. For Alpha, she might have simply cured Millia in a way, like Cid did in v6. In the game they mention a way to negate regenaration tbh, but they are never shown to apply it, in fact they can't negate Vampires' regen. While I can see them having it, it's a bit inconsistent imo, I wouldn't add it unless we have more ground for it.
Yeah idk why they have Alpha with it, since the context doesnt really make sense for regen negation if we take this idea.

And cid didnt "one shot" he bisected him, which they make note of being able to regenerate from later on, but Grease may have not been able to, but it just sounds in the text;
Grease tries to regenerate the bisection, but nothing is salvageable. His flesh is putrid and rotten, excreting black fluid that soaks the area around him.
Sounds like either his body didnt have the energy, or that the attack Cid hit him with caused his body/flesh to be like that, therefore not being able to regen.

Idk depends on interpretation tbh, but if theyre willing to give Alpha that ability, makes no sense not to give it to Shadow when he has shown much high capacity for dealing with the monsterized enemies. It would've been the same as when Cid hit Zenon with Atomic.
Btw if you made calcs for the anime, I can take a look at them, though I'm not a Cgm.
Tbh, I had my discord hacked a bit ago, and now that I have a new one, I dont have access to my calc server I have. So ill have to redo the lightning strike one.

Tbh, cant wait for the movie so his atomic slash gets the anime feat. I wonder how the movie will change it up.
 
Yeah idk why they have Alpha with it, since the context doesnt really make sense for regen negation if we take this idea.

And cid didnt "one shot" he bisected him, which they make note of being able to regenerate from later on, but Grease may have not been able to, but it just sounds in the text;

Sounds like either his body didnt have the energy, or that the attack Cid hit him with caused his body/flesh to be like that, therefore not being able to regen.

Idk depends on interpretation tbh, but if theyre willing to give Alpha that ability, makes no sense not to give it to Shadow when he has shown much high capacity for dealing with the monsterized enemies. It would've been the same as when Cid hit Zenon with Atomic.
Seems like he couldn't regen, tbh. Alpha'll get it removed once im done with her profile.

Tbh, cant wait for the movie so his atomic slash gets the anime feat. I wonder how the movie will change it up.
Probably we'll see it happening in one or two frame, so the anime version might get a MHS+ rating. Unless they change it completely
 

Trying to see if the black rose feat is good enough!
 

Trying to see if the black rose feat is good enough!
seems to be only hax not AP. that said its still a very good upgrade
 
 

Regen negation being added to anyone is crazy 🦛
 

Regen negation being added to anyone is crazy 🦛
Well, it sounds reasonable from what is blatantly stated to occur. Stopping the healing process of people using slime to hold the wounds open, thats why its limited
 
 
 

Cid vs Garou

May the skill battle begin hehehe
 
I dunno if it's in the novel, but what Cid did during the Bushin tournament would be a really good social influencing feat to list. Since he can make someone hallucinate that they were struck by slightly shifting his posture, as well as imagine a whole ass fight as if it happened.
 
I dunno if it's in the novel, but what Cid did during the Bushin tournament would be a really good social influencing feat to list. Since he can make someone hallucinate that they were struck by slightly shifting his posture, as well as imagine a whole ass fight as if it happened.
I believe the anime exagerates the feat. In the novel is Cid messing with Iris's Analytical Prediction and Instinctive Action rather than Perception Manip. She "sees" the strike but it's rather her anticipating what would have happened if Cid continued his movement, the anime makes her straight up hallucinate her head falling, yeah.

It will be surely added to the Anime profile whenever it comes out.
 
I believe the anime exagerates the feat. In the novel is Cid messing with Iris's Analytical Prediction and Instinctive Action rather than Perception Manip. She "sees" the strike but it's rather her anticipating what would have happened if Cid continued his movement, the anime makes her straight up hallucinate her head falling, yeah.

It will be surely added to the Anime profile whenever it comes out.
Well I'm saying it's social influencing not perception manip since theres no mind manipulation component or whatever.
 
Well I'm saying it's social influencing not perception manip since theres no mind manipulation component or whatever.
They are already on the profile as Sleight of Hand: Feints, cause that's what he's doing, Social Influencing: Deceltion would be kind of repeating it.

Anyway if you argue Iris hallucinates stuff I think that's Perception Manip, worst case Illusiom Creation. I believe the anime is on that level.
 
Anyone interested?

 
 
im gonna bump this match, it's currently 4-0-1 in favor of alexia
 
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