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The Sun God Nika vs The Six Paths Sage (Luffy vs Naruto).
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Trihexa102
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I can say the same the same to you and have a good night.
Trihexa102
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not genjutsu lmao, advanced observation haki/future sight.
IbukiDoujisGiantTail
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holy smoking crater
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observation haki/future sight is just the basic sharingan lmao. We see kakashi do the same thing in the first arc lol
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Kaidou has the same exact Haki as he does and Kaidou canonically blitzed his future sight, this is not nearly fair
He was focused on someone else in a 1v1
He can sense whatever he wants, like how he sensed a stray dart from an outsider in a fight
That's nice.
#1 Naruto has his own precog
#2 Their precog sucks
#3 Half the time him "keeping up" with them is just parrying blows. Luffy literally turns limbs to rubber this don't matter
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M-Me? blushes
Trihexa102
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My point is observation haki is not some hail mary that lets him win fights easily, we have seen that he has been tagged by attacks multiple times.
by flampe, by the CP and even by Apo's attacks.
I don't really believe Naruto's precog- is that inferior but whatever.
knowing the future doesn't mean he knows how to go about it. he can't see the future of 1000+ clones( he will be hyperfocused on 1-5) attackking him at once each trying to release an attack lethal to him, at least enough will get through and severely damage him(he can't tell apart the clones due to them sharing the same aura)
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By other observation haki users... Otherwise you ain't touching an even basic obs Haki user unless you fully speed blitz them
Nothing in Naruto comes even close to obs Haki, let alone adv obs haki
The whole fight with katakuri is both of them spamming obs Haki... Because otherwise they'll get tagged
Trihexa102
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I don't even remotely believe that but whatever you think lmao.By other observation haki users... Otherwise you ain't touching an even basic obs Haki user unless you fully speed blitz them
Nothing in Naruto comes even close to obs Haki, let alone adv obs haki
The whole fight with katakuri is both of them spamming obs Haki... Because otherwise they'll get tagged
He was tagged by multiple characters who's precog are easily below naruto's.
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Like who...?
Luffy can, at all times, know the next moves of his opponents... Exactly what, when and where, I dare you to show any precog user in naruto even close to that type of combat style precog
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mentioned them already flampe, cp and apo.Like who...?
Luffy can, at all times, know the next moves of his opponents... Exactly what, when and where, I dare you to show any precog user in naruto even close to that type of combat style precog
naruto is far more tricky, unpredictable and beyond this guys it's not even funny.
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Being caught off guard while not using Observation is not the same as being unaware of something while using it.
Trihexa102
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He was aware of Apo he still got caught, and even then off-guard or not it's still pointless naruto can use 1000- 2000+ clones and more. it's beyond the 5 luffy fought with against kizaru.
1clone can swap hands with madara's limbo clones(who share the same stats as madara).
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flampe was because he was at all times reading katakuri's moves who has an even better precog... Meaning a single time he doesn't spam it against katakuri, is a fatal for him
Who that..?
He has observation haki and even attacks that legit spawn on you...
Won't matter against future sight...
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That is why i said Observation haki makes him hyperfocus on his target, he had to focus on flampe after it hit him the first time. While we are talking about a Naruto who can spam 1000s of clones.flampe was because he was at all times reading katakuri's moves who has an even better precog... Meaning a single time he doesn't spam it against katakuri, is a fatal for him
Who that..?
He has observation haki and even attacks that legit spawn on you...
Won't matter against future sight...
Against someone like Naruto that is enough openings.
which attacks spawn on you? Naruto can dodge or anticipate attacks Like amaterasu which does similar and has superior sensing to Apo lol.
Unfortunately it's the otherway around, his future sight would barely matter here.
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Who tf is this dawg, why do you keep ignoring it I wanna know
Trihexa102
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ah its the cp0 who attacked/off-guarded luffy during his bout with kaido.Who tf is this dawg, why do you keep ignoring it I wanna know
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thank you for clarifying, that looked crazy without context
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Trihexa102
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Thunderman101
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because he was overfocuing his obs on katakuri... Then after he used it subconsciously for flampe because he wasn't overfocusing on only katakuri
This would only ever happen if he's continuously fighting someone with better precog than him... Which Naruto isn't even at all close to
No, his moves are being read at all times and there's nothing for Naruto's arsenal to stop that from happening unless he blitzes.. Which is not happening as Luffy is faster
Instant speed and unavoidable unless they cover their ears, it's way worse than an amaterasu
Ahh yes.. Another user coming in while Luffy is already fighting an obs Haki user of similar or superior levels to his... You cannot be fr
Delusional, that's how he'll win
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Trihexa102
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That's my point he needs to focus on his opponent you can't have it both ways.because he was overfocuing his obs on katakuri... Then after he used it subconsciously for flampe because he wasn't overfocusing on only katakuri
This would only ever happen if he's continuously fighting someone with better precog than him... Which Naruto isn't even at all close to
No, his moves are being read at all times and there's nothing for Naruto's arsenal to stop that from happening unless he blitzes.. Which is not happening as Luffy is faster
Instant speed and unavoidable unless they cover their ears, it's way worse than an amaterasu
Ahh yes.. Another user coming in while Luffy is already fighting an obs Haki user of similar or superior levels to his... You cannot be fr
Delusional, that's how he'll win
if he could sense both then flampe's attack wouldn't hit the first time.
Naruto has similar levels of precog, being able to danger sense and stack emotional sensing as well. Naruto would read luffy's moves as well.
Luffy is not faster unless he turns into his giant form which defeats the point, as he just becomes a lock-on target practice.
i mean if luffy's FS was that good he could see apo's attack coming from a while away, pretty sure naruto can danger-sense that. There is a similar ability in Naruto called White-rage by DSM kabuto, and it's not catching Six-paths naruto lol.
The point here is luffy can be tagged by far weaker levels of sensory, Naruto more than matches these guys and it's disingenous to claim naruto is below them. FS is also not a wincon or hailmary, cause IT HYPERFOCUSES ON HIS TARGET.
giving room for Naruto and his Clones to take that Opening and more with his range, versatility, subsititution jutsu, shunshin speed amp, boil-release amp and AOE attacks.
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"Similar levels of precog"
Can we stop with this?
And Luffy can focus on many opponents. It's one thing to not focus on somebody you don't know is in the area, and another to not focused on somebody you know is in the area
Can we stop with this?
And Luffy can focus on many opponents. It's one thing to not focus on somebody you don't know is in the area, and another to not focused on somebody you know is in the area
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luffy cannot focus on many opponents if he could then he can't be tagged or off-guarded, yet he could. but we are talking about 1000+ naruto's not 5 clones of kizaru."Similar levels of precog"
Can we stop with this?
And Luffy can focus on many opponents. It's one thing to not focus on somebody you don't know is in the area, and another to not focused on somebody you know is in the area
That doesn't prove your point though cause it still hits luffy.
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he absolutely does not... He doesn't even have similar levels to basic obs haki
Sensing danger and emotions does not tell you exactly when and where or how they'll attack you... You only get an estimation or awareness of ones next moves hence he has only analytical prediction
Luffy is faster... Gear 5 is 35.33c and 40.1c in gaint mode while naruto is 28c
There's legit nothing in Naruto like obs Haki...
It doesn't hyperfocus on 1 target...
Only when hes facing other obs Haki users does he ever do that
And future sight shows everything in the near future, there's no hyperfocusing for that
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Naruto easily has above basic obs haki via danger sensing and emotional sensing, include chakra sensing, sixpath sensing and that shinobi's can do this having a sixth senses letting them know their surroundings. or even using their chakra as a medium for sensing by sending it across the environment.
Danger sensing lets naruto pick up on lethal parm just before it hits, plus negative sensing which lets him know when the attack is about to take place.
Luffy is just marginally faster it's not enough for him to win this unilaterally, as it's not a 2x speed gap or blitz.
Obs does hyperfocus on his targets, gave you examples already, when he fought kaidou and when he fought Katakuri, he could he tagged by outside attacks from flampe and Cp0. iT'S basically the same against Naruto here as he is fighting 1000+ clones of naruto who all share the same aura and lethal attacks, more versatile than him, better BIQ, better range, and more.
No his Future-sight shows immediate danger to him in the future not the entirety of the Future? it can probably see a few clones(1-5 at best scaling from kizaru) attacking him from a certain angle BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.
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It is not a focus based ability it just shows you exactly what's going to happen in the future, this isn't the sharingan where it tells you what the person you're looking at is doing
luffy blocks it in the same panel what are you talking about
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So you don't know how Observation Haki works. That's fun
Trihexa102
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obs haki is literally about focusing and concentration, when you lose that it goes off or doesn't work.
Am saying Apo's sound attack still hit him.
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I'm saying it is not that you have to focus on a specific individual.
It hit him because it's an attack that works by hearing it. All cause you see it coming doesn't mean you know how to stop it
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that's how it works it doesn't show him the entirety of the future, the longest FS we have seen is from shanks which is around 10secs and he is the most advanced user thus far.
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Katakuri in his introduction saw a minute long speech why are we lying
Trihexa102
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a minute long lmao? from what i know shanks is the most advanced with 10 secs via Kid's counting.
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A minute long interval in a fight between two FTL+ characters is A LOT of info. You underestimate how much can happen in a minute.
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You know wrong
He heard a dude's entire speech in his introduction
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