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Battle of guys who fought Rake (AppleMaker vs Jesse Pinkman) (0-0-0)

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Yep, someone actually said that I'll lose to him just because he's a hardened criminal, completely disregarding my physical stats and life experiences...
He's also a hardened criminal who has actually murdered people (Jesse would beat the shit out of you if I'm being honest).
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I guess by that logic nobody from VSBW could ever beat Harold Shipman, dnepropetrovsk maniacs (without weapons, one by one) or even some random malnourished crackhead who got arrested for doing some shit. Anyways, I'm interested how would you argue the winner of that match

Rules:
  • Speed is not equlized (low end for AppleMaker)
  • Both are 10-A
  • Both unarmed
  • Starting distance is 10 meters
  • Both are bloodlusted (since neither won't throw first punch for no reason)
"B... But he sees red and resists fear":

"B... But he's a hardened criminal and killed people":

Idk, they have no reason to fight (incon):
 
Limited resistance to pain + Rage power + Stats amp vs not even Martial arts

How is Jesse not instantly losing?
 
Nonynho said:
Limited resistance to pain + Rage power + Stats amp vs not even Martial arts

How is Jesse not instantly losing?
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Jesse might also have resistance to pain (arguably even higher than me, since he got some brutal beatings from Tuco. In my case I added it since my stamina was bad, but my pain tolerance was far higher than that) and he's also faster than me. Also I'm pretty sure @AThe1412 is either gonna try to "debunk" my stats by disregarding them and saying how much skillslop you'll get by default for being a criminal, or just completely ignore this thread/acknowledge this mistake
 
Well, I guess I'll make it more British (give a knife to each combatant) or fight Tuco Salamanca with high end stats of mine
 
Nonynho said:
Limited resistance to pain + Rage power + Stats amp vs not even Martial arts

How is Jesse not instantly losing?
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Why rage power and statistics amp? From what I can tell the scans from that is just AppleMaker no longer holding back anything :000

But even with lack of that, AppleMaker has the lean. He has the advantage in AP by a fair amount; the speed disadvantage is with a difference of just over 1 m/s and Jesse's Gifted IQ gets balanced out by his weaknesses of impulsivity and reluctance to kill. With his LS advantage, restraining Jesse should be easier as well :3
 
FlipLaScript said:
Why rage power and statistics amp? From what I can tell the scans from that is just AppleMaker no longer holding back anything :000
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It slightly helps my LS mostly and a bit boosts endurance (aka pain tolerance)
 
He's also a hardened criminal who has actually murdered people (Jesse would beat the shit out of you if I'm being honest).
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Also Jesse: "Tuco, lend me some unreliable 9-C chain scaling, this is base AppleMaker I'm up against"
 
Applemaker:

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AppleMaker said:
I guess by that logic nobody from VSBW could ever beat Harold Shipman, dnepropetrovsk maniacs (without weapons, one by one) or even some random malnourished crackhead who got arrested for doing some shit.
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Harold Shipman went after the elderly and sick, people who were under his care and would have no reason to suspect foul play. He's a normal human with nothing going for him so it's quite interesting that you bring him up of all criminals instead of like, Jack the Ripper or someone who has actually faced physical resistance when commiting violent acts, like Jesse did.

The Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs where two psychopaths who murdered 21 people and several animals, often attacking them when they were alone, by surprise, and unarmed. They started their crimes because they were bullied loners who were tired of being afraid, so they started facing their fears by killing random animals. Eventually this fear facing obsession got them addicted to the rush of murder and they started doing all the heinous shit they did. So essentially you have two young, male, rage-fueled serial killers who are extensively familiar with violence and enjoy actively participating in it against your average keyboard warrior. They would turn anyone here into a liveleak video.

Random malnourished crackheads have nothing to lose. You do.

Jesse has endured torture, he's broken a man's neck in a fit of rage, he's intimately familiar with the criminal world and the violence that comes with it. He's worked as a bodyguard for a major drug runner (Fring), been in several shootouts, and convinced a whole room of cartel members to work with him instead of cutting him into pieces and putting him in a barrel. He has stared death in the face time and time again and come out on top.

You still live with your parents
 
Applemaker, you wanna actually be in a fight instead of daydreaming about random battles against people who don't exist? Join a boxing or MMA gym, you'll get humbled quickly and you'll see that there's levels to violence that you've never even imagined
 
Joaco0902 said:
The Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs where two psychopaths who murdered 21 people and several animals, often attacking them when they were alone, by surprise, and unarmed. They started their crimes because they were bullied loners who were tired of being afraid, so they started facing their fears by killing random animals. Eventually this fear facing obsession got them addicted to the rush of murder and they started doing all the heinous shit they did. So essentially you have two young, male, rage-fueled serial killers who are extensively familiar with violence and enjoy actively participating in it against your average keyboard warrior. They would turn anyone here into a liveleak video.
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I admit, I indeed underestimated them. From what I knew, they just used weapons and took their victims by surprise, so I assumed in direct battle they won't be as capable
Joaco0902 said:
Random malnourished crackheads have nothing to lose. You do.
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Yep, I guess that factor really nabs them a victory against someone who can one-shot them
Joaco0902 said:
Jesse has endured torture, he's broken a man's neck in a fit of rage, he's intimately familiar with the criminal world and the violence that comes with it. He's worked as a bodyguard for a major drug runner (Fring), been in several shootouts, and convinced a whole room of cartel members to work with him instead of cutting him into pieces and putting him in a barrel. He has stared death in the face time and time again and come out on top.
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Good feats indeed, but neither of them suggest that he'd win against a guy who's physically stronger and far more durable than him in a direct unarmed fight
Joaco0902 said:
You still live with your parents
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Do you have any proof of that, or you're just made up some bs? Also it's still doesn't debunk any physical advantages I have over him
 
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Joaco0902 said:
Applemaker, you wanna actually be in a fight instead of daydreaming about random battles against people who don't exist?
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I mostly do it out of boredom and to hypothetically find out which kind of opponents I can/can't win against
Joaco0902 said:
Join a boxing or MMA gym, you'll get humbled quickly and you'll see that there's levels to violence that you've never even imagined
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What's your point here? That I'd lose against someone far more skilled and experienced than me? Well, ANYONE would lose against someone who's more skilled and experienced than them specifically. Also you shouldn't underestimate what levels of violence I know (and sometimes even faced)
 
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I just don't really think you're bordering on street level, man. Even the shittiest pro boxer is street level, and even the shittiest pro boxer is spending 8 hours a day molding their body into the perfect form to kick someones ass. Do you? That ice breaking feat doesn't seem convincing to me at all, I feel like most people could achieve it by slamming down hard enough on it. In fact, everything on your profile is perfectly mundane, normal stuff that everyone could achieve.

We're all 10-B man. Everyone here is 10-B. 10-A, maybe, if you go to the gym regularly.

And even if you were physically stronger than Jesse (he's a lanky dude, not impossible if you're on the heftier side) there's plenty of street fight videos where a smaller/lighter fighter knocks the daylights out of the bigger guy. And Jesse has been through so much shit, that I'm confident in saying he has the sheer grit and determination to turn you into minced meat if he's in the right state of mind.
 
Joaco0902 said:
We're all 10-B man. Everyone here is 10-B. 10-A, maybe, if you go to the gym regularly.
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I do
Joaco0902 said:
And even if you were physically stronger than Jesse (he's a lanky dude, not impossible if you're on the heftier side) there's plenty of street fight videos where a smaller/lighter fighter knocks the daylights out of the bigger guy. And Jesse has been through so much shit, that I'm confident in saying he has the sheer grit and determination to turn you into minced meat if he's in the right state of mind.
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That's reasonable
 
I'm sorry if I was a dick, I know I was a bit confrontational here, I was just really skeptical
 
Joaco0902 said:
I'm sorry if I was a dick, I know I was a bit confrontational here, I was just really skeptical
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I forgive you. Also I want to point out one thing - it's absurdly easy to break out of VSBW's 10-B rating. Even before this ice feat I had 10-A ap, just because of my weight (85 kg, 4,39 kg for my arm) and punching speed (7,42 m/s). If you just have slightly more weight or faster combat speed - chances are, you already reached 10-A rating, and some might even reach 9-C
 
Yeah, it's a bit stupid to put normal humans who have some heft to them in the same category as pro fighters, to me at least
 
Joaco0902 said:
Yeah, it's a bit stupid to put normal humans who have some heft to them in the same category as pro fighters, to me at least
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I think pro fighters are most likely in a 9-C ratings, since they most likely have far higher combat speed + skill/feats to back it up
 
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