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If X character has let's say Low 2-C AP, and his mind resistances/hax gets stronger the more powerful he gets, should that grant him 4D mind hax resistances?
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4D Mind hax question
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No, there's no reason the mind hax would scale to AP regardless of if it get stronger so you'll need actual mind hax feats/resistance that scale to that level for it to qualify.
It would be like arguing that someone has planetary mind hax because they say their hax gets stronger when they get higher AP and they become planetary.
There's no way to quantify the increase in mind hax/resistance in relation to AP based on only the information present, we can't even define what quality of it gets stronger.
Does it get more layered, does it get a range increase (and how does this range even apply? affecting more people over a wider range or affecting only the same amount of people but at a greater distance), does it get more complex/indepth, does the variety for what they can do with it increase (for instance before they could create illusions now they can alter emotions/memories) etc. - All of these things can be classified as "stronger" mind hax but with 0 information on exactly what they are now capable of there is literally no way to scale AP directly to mind hax/resistance
It would be like arguing that someone has planetary mind hax because they say their hax gets stronger when they get higher AP and they become planetary.
There's no way to quantify the increase in mind hax/resistance in relation to AP based on only the information present, we can't even define what quality of it gets stronger.
Does it get more layered, does it get a range increase (and how does this range even apply? affecting more people over a wider range or affecting only the same amount of people but at a greater distance), does it get more complex/indepth, does the variety for what they can do with it increase (for instance before they could create illusions now they can alter emotions/memories) etc. - All of these things can be classified as "stronger" mind hax but with 0 information on exactly what they are now capable of there is literally no way to scale AP directly to mind hax/resistance
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Ok if a street level gets stronger alongside with it's hax to 4D. Does the hax has any qualitative superiority? Since it the character in question could effect a structure with qualitative superiority via ap https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hax
- Another way an ability can be shown to have smurf potency / power is if it significantly affects a structure of qualitatively superior size. E.g. existence erasure which can affect a (tiering-applicable) higher-dimensional structure or character would qualify. Note that if the ability can't have its potency focused on a small object, it's not necessarily considered to have smurf power / potency. The main advantage of an ability being considered smurf in power / potency is that it is assumed to be able to overpower all resistances that don't have feats or statements of being able to perform on an equal or superior level. That in practice means that, for example, a 3D character that has abilities with Low 1-C smurf potency would be able to overcome all the regular Tier 2 or lower resistances as if they weren't there.
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Blud is still living in 2022, qualitative superiority is 1-A rn.
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Then why in the hax thread it's mention that having low 1-c hax counts as qualitativer superior?
- Lastly, if it overcomes a resistance which is known to operate on a qualitatively superior level it would also be considered smurf.
The main advantage of an ability being considered smurf in power / potency is that it is assumed to be able to overpower all resistances that don't have feats or statements of being able to perform on an equal or superior level. That in practice means that, for example, a 3D character that has abilities with Low 1-C smurf potency would be able to overcome all the regular Tier 2 or lower resistances as if they weren't there.
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Outdated, I recall in some staff discussion they talked about rewording it to a current policy but the thread died and nobody did iirc.
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Hm alright
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No, because there is no relationship between AP and resistance. Being stronger may increase their resistance, but the only thing they gain is greater/enhanced resistances, nothing more, nothing less.
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Well example is bleach. They have their mind tied to their soul + physical body so the more stronger they get, the more powerful their mind is. And since Bleach is getting low 2-c, Decievied argues that their minds would become 4D
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I know nothing about Bleach so I will say nothing about their 4-D resistances are valid or not. But usually, we don't upgrade a character's resistance like that way.
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I think I could give a different example like Undertale
Characters like Asriel Dreemurr have his resist to soul damage be at 4D potency
- SOUL Manipulation: As the body of the monsters is made of magic and directly linked to their SOUL, they should be able to take SOUL attacks as physical ones
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Come on bro, unless a verse really shows that, such upgrades are generally not accepted, just as being stronger does not automatically imply hax layers.
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Not hax layers but rather superiority in hax dimensionality. It's stated here that 4D hax can bypass any form of baseline hax layering
Hax
Hax is a catch-all term for abilities that can be used to ignore/bypass one or more of a target's statistics, rendering them irrelevant. The most common hax are the ones that ignore durability, and their scale/potency are unrelated to their users' AP & Tier, however, they can be measured with...
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Bypass lower dimensional hax. The problem is there is no relationship between dimensions and hax to upgrade in such a way if the verse does not show that such a mechanism.
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Hm so Decieved's words are wrong then?
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Depends on the verse, he can true or not.
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So back to square one igDepends on the verse, he can true or not.
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How can something abstract have a dimensionality...
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Well there are characters who have their conceptual manip to be specified in certain dimensionality (despite concepts are abstract) like Sonic
- Dream Manipulation & Conceptual Destruction (Type 1 [6-D]; Dreams have a fundamental nature within the multiverse due to it being where dreams become reality. The Chaos Emeralds are referred to as the super-substance of dreams, with the power of dreams being capable of awakening Super Sonic, and emotions are necessary for dreams to exist. The Chaos Emeralds allowed Mephiles and Iblis to fuse back into Solaris, who immediately became a threat that would swallow all timelines and destroy the very meaning of time that additionally encompasses the existence of Maginaryworld and all the dreams contained within Fourth Dimensional Space that in itself is Illumina's dream. Dr. Eggman stated Solaris' plan was to swallow all timelines and destroy the very meaning of time itself, which would include Maginaryworld as a whole)
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Btw I did talked with @StrymULTRA and he does confirmed that Asriel has resists to 4D soul damage due to Asriel's hax is bound to his APDepends on the verse, he can true or not.
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