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Rule clarification for High 1-A+

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I have following questions regarding this new high 1-A+ tier
1) is it necessary to have an outerversal or higher Cosmology for high 1-A+ ?
2) Is "a character can do anything" stuff with context that it isn't just metaphorical but it really refers to "everything is possible for that character" or "it can do anything that's possible, even illogical one" enough for high 1-A+ (just like tier 0 is "Omnipotence" that can be actually proved) . Or in other words is being stated to have "unlimited capabilities" with enough proof of it being "literal" instead of metaphorical high 1-A+ ?
3) If a character has all qualities of a tier 0 character accept for any one, then is that character automatically high 1-A+
 
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1) Technically you just need proof your possibilities go up to a High 1-A+ extent. You don't need your cosmology to first have a 1-A or higher cosmology first and then be revealed to have High 1-A+, you just need proof of High 1-A+
2) Depends on how it's described. "Can do anything" by itself wouldn't be enough. But with enough evidence and examples of what they can do, it can be. Also Tier 0 is fundamentally based on logically possible Omnipotence, so if a character can do something logically impossible like bypassing the Omni Paradox or creating a square circle , it'd get ignored and lowballed to only include logical possibilities. For example, "The answer to 'Can God do X ?' is always Yes" , or comparable concepts, technically would include logically impossible things unless you put a specific caveat that says as long as it's logically possible, but we would ignore that and assume it only includes logical possibilities. The same thing would happen with Extended Modal Realism
3) A monad who is contradicted from what I remember being said by Ultima can be any tier. You'd need proof they're at a High 1-A+ level if a monad's nature was contradicted
 
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The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
1) Technically you just need proof your possibilities go up to a High 1-A+ extent. You don't need your cosmology to first have a 1-A or higher cosmology first and then be revealed to have High 1-A+, you just need proof of High 1-A+
2) Depends on how it's described. "Can do anything" by itself wouldn't be enough. But with enough evidence and examples of what they can do, it can be. Also Tier 0 is fundamentally based on logically possible Omnipotence, so if a character can do something logically impossible like bypassing the Omni Paradox or creating a square circle , it'd get ignored and lowballed to only include logical possibilities. For example, "The answer to 'Can God do X ?' is always Yes" , or comparable concepts, technically would include logically impossible things unless you put a specific caveat that says as long as it's logically possible, but we would ignore that and assume it only includes logical possibilities. The same thing would happen with Extended Modal Realism
3) A monad who is contradicted from what I remember being said by Ultima can be any tier. You'd need proof they're at a High 1-A+ level if a monad's nature was contradicted
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Thanks for reply , just one thing left , is being stated to have "unlimited capabilities" with enough proof of it being "literal" instead of metaphorical high 1-A+ ?
 
That would depend on how literal it's made out to be. If it's the most literal and/or broadest/maximal sense , then likely it'd be a yes,but keep in mind most fictional concepts and stories don't take the concept that far, so the odds of that are pretty slim.

Is there a verse and context/scans for this, so I can give you further help, or is this purely hypothetical ?
 
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The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Is there a verse and context/scans for this, so I can give you further help, or is this purely hypothetical ?
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Alien X is consistently stated to be "greatest / absolute power" and many guide books call him Omnipotent or greatest power just on basis of "unlimited or limitless capabilities" . It's way too consistently stated in guide books
 
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Alien X is consistently stated to be "greatest / absolute power" and many guide books call him Omnipotent or greatest power just on basis of "unlimited or limitless capabilities" . It's way too consistently stated in guide books
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To explain this concept further:
Just saying it has 'Anything is possible' or 'Can do anything' wouldn't be enough because both concepts imply while there is a wide range of possibilities and capabilities, there may be theoretical or practical limits to it. In other words, it implies there is a wide but unknown extent of what's possible or what can be done.
If it was however stated explicitly that these were meant to be taken literally however, you could absolutely make the argument then. And even then, you'd need to debunk any limitations or exceptions the series has shown to both (such as the infamous list of things Alien X cannot do Man of Action made)
 
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