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Mori: Final Borrowed Power Nirvana

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So this is for userblog.

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GOH: Borrowed Power: Nirvana

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Conclusion:

Nirvana grants Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) since it is the final stage of Borrowed Power, where are higher concepts. This makes Mori transcendental in nature due to his ascending to a higher plane of existence where all his ties to the world are severed, and that's mean he that being independently from all creation. While he governs and creates the balance of all creation as he ascends to this plane when he reaches Nirvana.

I already asked Native Korean for translation, especially important part. So thanks to @korea1234.

Agree: CurrySenpai, LephyrTheRevanchist, ActuallySpaceMan42, Xinsignia1, Planck69, GodSinBad2280, Elizhaa
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Neutral: M2u12
 
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Not MOri calliope? I disagree

Just kidding, anyways are you sure this is Concept Manipulation? It looks he simply ascends to a plan WITH higher concepts, but not that he's manipulating the concepts themselves.
 
CurrySenpai said:
Not MOri calliope? I disagree

Just kidding, anyways are you sure this is Concept Manipulation? It looks he simply ascends to a plan WITH higher concepts, but not that he's manipulating the concepts themselves.
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Yeah, Borrowed Power stated as concept as its as its expression and desire of its own user, so normally Borrowed Power Rated as Concept (Type 3). But final stage is different especially Nirvana, its is stated as higher concepts.
 
CurrySenpai said:
Not MOri calliope? I disagree

Just kidding, anyways are you sure this is Concept Manipulation? It looks he simply ascends to a plan WITH higher concepts, but not that he's manipulating the concepts themselves.
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Off-topic but mori does exist on the wiki just type her name in
 
Oh man I can't believe I'm going to help this silliness.
CurrySenpai said:
Just kidding, anyways are you sure this is Concept Manipulation? It looks he simply ascends to a plan WITH higher concepts, but not that he's manipulating the concepts themselves.
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Mori has been stated to control all of creation in the most literal sense possible (twice actually). The word for all of creation here is samra-mansang which is defined as "all phenomena, truth, world, universe" or "all of nature and all creatures; the universe; all things".
So Mori is able to control LITERALLY EVERYTHING.
 
Megaraptor149 said:
Yeah, Borrowed Power stated as concept as its as its expression and desire of its own user, so normally Borrowed Power Rated as Concept (Type 3). But final stage is different especially Nirvana, its is stated as higher concepts.
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Hmmmmm, that sounds a bit more like subjective reality normally but if Borrowed Power is a concept that's universal or whatnot (which it seems to be) I'm fine with Type 1 then.
 
PrinceofPein said:
Higher concepts =/= type 1
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Yeah that's kinda my issue with this as well. "Higher concept" here just refers to a higher stage of borrowed power. Like how a rinnegan is a higher stage of the sharingan.

That being said, this
DavidTPPM said:
Mori has been stated to control all of creation in the most literal sense possible (twice actually). The word for all of creation here is samra-mansang which is defined as "all phenomena, truth, world, universe" or "all of nature and all creatures; the universe; all things".
So Mori is able to control LITERALLY EVERYTHING.
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Might be a potentially solid argument for cm1
 
PrinceofPein said:
Higher concepts =/= type 1
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I understand, but I've provided a clearer explanation on the user blog. It doesn't state that a higher concept immediately receives CM (Type 1). It is explained that Nirvana is the final stage of Borrowed Power, which is obtained from the combined power of the three races in the verse through Project Wi-Fi.

Why is Nirvana considered a higher concept? Because when Mori reached Nirvana, he gained the power of Omnipotence. As stated, one of the final stages of Borrowed Power is Omnipotence, which is still regarded as a legend and only described in a few pieces of literature. However, this was proven at the end of GOH's story when he achieved it. When he reached Nirvana, it was proven that he had the "Omnipotence" power to stay in Nirvana.

Nirvana is said to be a higher concept, and it is explained that when Mori reached Nirvana, he ascended to a higher plane of existence to oversee the creation of all planes from there. All his ties to the world were severed when he attained Nirvana, that's mean that he became indirectly independent from and in governs of all creation from those plane.
 
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Megaraptor149 said:
and it is explained that when Mori reached Nirvana, he ascended to a higher plane of existence to oversee the creation of all planes from there. All his ties to the world were severed when he attained Nirvana, that's mean that he became indirectly independent from and in governs of all creation from those plane.
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This is the part that convinces me this can fit Type 1 concept, if we indeed accept already that Borrowed Power is of a conceptual nature.

@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @Everything12 @Planck69 any thoughts?
 
Thank you, since it already accepted by 2 staff i will applied later in 24 hours then in his profile.
 
Seems legit, I agree (I wasn't a
even aware he didn't have conceptual manipulation type 1 applied to his profile yet) so this is long overdue, I agree.
 
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