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Tier 0 Entities: Why is there only one?

Requiem_Yoriichi

Requiem_Yoriichi

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So I have read the Omnipotence page a bit. It was fascinating and seems to pretty much make sense to me. Tier 0 beings being primal, immuntable and indivisible absolutely make sense.

However, I've got a question: why did this wiki choose to grant 0 beings unicity? Why cannot there be multiple of these beings and only one? In fact, why are 0 entities omnipotent in itself rather than simply the "peak" of their fictional setting, as something beyond them would not make sense.

Do 0 beings always have to be omnipotent? What do we do with people who are beyond qualitative superiority and hierarchical extensions in all of their forms and their entirety (basically, those who are beyond High 1-A+) and yet are not omnipotent?
 
Requiem_Yoriichi said:
However, I've got a question: why did this wiki choose to grant 0 beings unicity? Why cannot there be multiple of these beings and only one?
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Because multiplicity is precisely what they transcend. They don't really have any qualities or particularities by which beings are individuated from each other, so they can't be part of a multitude on that basis.

Requiem_Yoriichi said:
In fact, why are 0 entities omnipotent in itself rather than simply the "peak" of their fictional setting, as something beyond them would not make sense.
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You answered yourself, pretty much. Since they're completely beyond all multiplicity (Quantitative or qualitative), they're above the logic on which hierarchies in general work. Putting them in a hierarchy isn't even possible without logical contradiction.

Requiem_Yoriichi said:
Do 0 beings always have to be omnipotent?
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Yeah, since they're unsurpassable.

Requiem_Yoriichi said:
What do we do with people who are beyond qualitative superiority and hierarchical extensions in all of their forms and their entirety (basically, those who are beyond High 1-A+) and yet are not omnipotent?
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High 1-A+ at its highest is basically "The space of everything a Tier 0 can create." If you're above that, you are just Tier 0 already.
 
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Ultima_Reality said:
Because multiplicity is precisely what they transcend. They don't really have any qualities or particularities by which beings are individuated from each other, so they can't be part of a multitude on that basis.


You answered yourself, pretty much. Since they're completely beyond all multiplicity (Quantitative or qualitatively), they're above the logic on which hierarchies in general work. Putting them in a hierarchy isn't even possible without logical contradiction.


Yeah, since they're unsurpassable.


High 1-A+ at its highest is basically "The space of everything a Tier 0 can create." If you're above that, you are just Tier 0 already.
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Thank you a lot. The explanation was a bit ambiguous for me on the wiki so thank you for explaining this.
 
I get what you’re asking. Tier 0 beings are usually unique and omnipotent to set a clear “ultimate” power level. If there were multiple, it’d complicate the idea of being truly singular. Not all entities beyond High 1-A+ are omnipotent; they might just be extremely powerful within their own realms without having total control.
 
Ultima_Reality said:
High 1-A+ at its highest is basically "The space of everything a Tier 0 can create." If you're above that, you are just Tier 0 already.
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Sorry for asking, but I didn't understand that last part, if a being that surpasses High 1-A+ even though not omnipotent could grant tier 0?
 
Boy.Line said:
Sorry for asking, but I didn't understand that last part, if a being that surpasses High 1-A+ even though not omnipotent could grant tier 0?
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You can't surpass a High 1-A+ structure without being Omnipotent, since it encompasses every single type of qualitative superiority that can possible (Or impossible) "exist"

If you are able to surpass a High 1-A+ structure, then that structure wouldn't be High 1-A+ to begin with
 
Boy.Line said:
Sorry for asking, but I didn't understand that last part, if a being that surpasses High 1-A+ even though not omnipotent could grant tier 0?
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No. What is said is that for a character to qualify for the High 1-A+ tier, no character must surpass him or if a character surpasses him then it must be a tier 0. If a character surpasses him and he is not tier 0 then it disqualifies him for the tier High 1-A+.
 
Digital_Franz said:
No. What is said is that for a character to qualify for the High 1-A+ tier, no character must surpass him or if a character surpasses him then it must be a tier 0. If a character surpasses him and he is not tier 0 then it disqualifies him for the tier High 1-A+.
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That doesn’t make the slightest sense to me.

Let’s suppose that character X surpasses a High 1-A+ hierarchy, but they are not the ultimate power in the verse. There truly exists a tier 0 in the verse that is posited as omnipotent, yet this X exists in a hierarchy that already exceeds the previous one, being High 1-A+. Would that be posited as in High 1-A+ layers?
 
Technically you can be stronger than a High 1-A+ without being tier 0 if you have direct backing from said tier 0.
 
Boy.Line said:
That doesn’t make the slightest sense to me.

Let’s suppose that character X surpasses a High 1-A+ hierarchy, but they are not the ultimate power in the verse. There truly exists a tier 0 in the verse that is posited as omnipotent, yet this X exists in a hierarchy that already exceeds the previous one, being High 1-A+. Would that be posited as in High 1-A+ layers?
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Accelerated_Evolution said:
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You can't surpass a High 1-A+ structure without being Omnipotent, since it encompasses every single type of qualitative superiority that can possible (Or impossible) "exist"

If you are able to surpass a High 1-A+ structure, then that structure wouldn't be High 1-A+ to begin with
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Accelerated_Evolution said:
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You can't surpass a High 1-A+ structure without being Omnipotent, since it encompasses every single type of qualitative superiority that can possible (Or impossible) "exist"

If you are able to surpass a High 1-A+ structure, then that structure wouldn't be High 1-A+ to begin with
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In fact, the system considers modal logic and the 3 laws of thought as High 1-A+.

In a verse where this concept is present, such as the nasuverse for example, where it is postulated that in the Reverse side/Void space there is logical space, there are not only the gods that are there, But mostly most of the cosmology is already above that.

In this case the gods would be postulated as High 1-A+ any being of a higher dimension would be above this structure, naturally (in my view) new layers would be applied.
 
It does not matter if the verse has people above modal logic, it would not fit into the site's standards and would thus be a contradiction to High 1-A+.

High 1-A+ cant have layers since the tier by its nature already encompasses all possible meta-qualities (and consequently layers of anything).
 
Boy.Line said:
In fact, the system considers modal logic and the 3 laws of thought as High 1-A+.
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Yes?

Boy.Line said:
In a verse where this concept is present, such as the nasuverse for example, where it is postulated that in the Reverse side/Void space there is logical space, there are not only the gods that are there, But mostly most of the cosmology is already above that.

In this case the gods would be postulated as High 1-A+ any being of a higher dimension would be above this structure, naturally (in my view) new layers would be applied.
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Then the Nasuverse version of Modal Realism ins't really the same as our version of it/The version used by the wiki
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
It does not matter if the verse has people above modal logic, it would not fit into the site's standards and would thus be a contradiction to High 1-A+.

High 1-A+ cant have layers since the tier by its nature already encompasses all possible meta-qualities (and consequently layers of anything).
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That is, any verse that goes beyond this extends outside the system, since all the qualities are already applied to it.
 
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