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Someone said Ning was a weak Chinaman and I definitely took it personally (by Chinaman standards Ning will still be pretty weak tho, LMAO)
This thread will aim at complex abilities (and a minor one at the very end), namely Type 1 Concept Manipulation, Transduality and NEP.
Reading this accepted CRT as well as having some familiarity with this blog for the cosmology would be good to fully comprehend this thread, as I definitely don't plan to go over some minor things all over again, as it would only waste space and time.
Type 1 Concepts:
As can be seen in his profile, Ning already has type 2 concept hax, these being ranked in-verse in mainly 3 levels, Dao, Grand Dao and Heavenly Dao but there's also Supreme Daos, which are created by cultivators when their level (insight, power, etc) surpasses that of the Heavenly Daos.
As can be seen from their type, these are the concepts that make up everything in the universe, they are in turn the mere outer emanations of the Prime Essences of the Universe with their inner layers being outside what normal cultivators can reach, their superiority also extends to Supreme Daos, which as I said above are created by cultivators to surpass the Heavenly Daos, in comparison to Supreme Daos, an Omega Dao (which is a cultivators' Dao that was perfected to the level of the Prime Essences) is an ultimate Dao and is like the Taiji, with the Supreme Daos being merely the trigrams.
With the Prime Essences being also explicitly stated to be the source of the Primordial Chaos, which is the highest of the Heavenly Daos (this specific quote will be important again later).
In conclusion, there are Daos that make up the universe and then there are the Essences/Omega Daos which emanate them which should make them type 1 concepts, Ning would have this as soon as he gets his own Omega Sword Dao.
Transduality type 2:
As stated above, the Heavenly Dao of Primordial Chaos is at the top of the hierarchy of Heavenly Daos and it was directly stated to be the source of the others, including Yin and Yang, Life and Destruction, etc
As seen in the previous section, Omega Daos were compared to the Taiji, the Prime Essences were stated to be the source of the Primordial Chaos and similarly were also stated to stabilize the entire universe, I've to add that Primordial Chaos is an omnipresent Heavenly Dao, unlike the others, which vary from place to place
In conclusion, the Heavenly Dao of Primordial Chaos, the Prime Essences of the Universe and the Omega Daos should have Transduality for giving birth to Yin Yang and other dualities, as well as being directly compared to the Taiji in the story, Ning's soul would have this as it's one with his Dao and therefore was also affected when he achieved his Omega Sword Dao.
Possibly Layered Transduality:
In case the above doesn't go through as Transduality, this would probably be just default Transduality, so don't think to hard on the title.
Before going into the specific ability, I've to explain what is Daobirth:
Planck will agree with that this part of the series is strange, but simplifying, after a cultivator creates a Supreme Dao, they can evolve to other levels (by going through something called Daomerge), first Eternal Daos which later can reach Hegemon level and finally Daobirth, with Cultivators who have reached this level being called Autarchs.
At the level of Daobirth, ones Dao will become an Essence and its level will be directly comparable to an Eternal Omega Dao (which is an Omega Dao that went through Daomerge), being even able to create their own universe with their Daobirth Essence as a Prime Essence of this new, alternate universe.
Although indirectly, the above already implies Transduality, as I understand it, as ones' Daobirth Essence is able to create other Daos, which although not directly named, shouldn't be different from the Prime Essences and Daos we've seen before, such as Space, Time, Yin Yang, Primordial Chaos, etc.
How the above relates to Ning - Plurality:
As shown above, Ning's Eternal Omega Dao and Omega Daos in general have their own evidence for being Transdual and Type 1 Concepts, but what I see as more of evidence for Transduality (layered in case the previous ones are accepted) or Plurality appear when Ning himself goes through stages after basic Eternal Omega Dao.
After Ning reached the Eternal Omega level, he started to cultivate other Daos to the Hegemon level and ultimately fused then all into his Eternal Omega Sword Dao (there are more than the ones listed here), when Ning fused all of them at the same time alongside the will to cause absolute destruction, Ning created the Oblivion Sword Dao, which is the first step towards Omega Autarchy.
Later on he found out Oblivion is only one step and after it came Creation, both being facets of the true Autarch Omega Sword Dao, where one begets two, two begets three and three begets all things (as the translator pointed out, this is pretty much directly taken from Daoism and has been referenced on other, lower levels of the verse as well as I sent above) with the additional context that Autarch Omega Daos are the singularity known as Omega.
In conclusion, as seen in most of the quotes above, Ning's Dao is above Yin and Yang and all other dualities, Karma which connects all dualities and other such concepts like the Five Elements, as well as Oblivion which is the end of all these concepts and Creation which begins all of them, IMO this could be plurality as I find it pretty similar to one of the examples the page uses for plurality.
The above would apply to Ning's Dao/Soul/mind as his insight surpassed the Quintessence of the Chaosverse but not his body... if it can even be called a body at this point as he fused with the Chaosverse (read his profile for more info on his body), but his body can in theory receive anything up to the level of the Eternal Omega Daos, as the Chaosverse is ultimately made up of them.
Upgrade to 9D:
You might be wandering why I explained what Daobirth is if it barely was directly used in the above Section and why I said you should be familiar with the cosmology of the verse, these things will be important now.
To begin with, what is currently accepted is that Prime Essences/Omega Daos are 7D, as are universes and there are cultivators whose hax and resistances scale here even tho they lack Essences/Omega Daos (in other words, they have the dimensionality but not the profundity)
Above these two as I've shown throughout this thread there is the Quintessence, which is actually a collection of Eternal Omega Daos and the Daobirth Essences which scale here as I've also shown, are already accepted as 8D.
When a cultivator that doesn't use an Omega Dao and instead uses a normal Eternal Dao (which would be at the Hegemonic level in this case, but Hegemonic is more a power level than a stage itself, if you get what I mean) goes through Daobirth and they become Autarchs, their Dao is upgraded to a level it's on par with Eternal Omega Daos, so an Eternal Omega Dao which has gone through Daobirth would in turn be at a higher dimensional level than everything below it.
Miscellaneous additions:
Immortality type 2, as he can survive without his head and in higher level can act normally without his head
Limited NEP (Type 1, Aspects 1, 2, 3 and 5; In his "Void Will" state he lacks all aspects of his being, including his body, soul, and truesoul, which is the imprint of a being within Destiny. The mind and soul are one and the same for all beings and even include the Daos they fused with).
Agree Votes:
Type 1 Concept for Essences/Omega Daos: @Planck69 @Dereck03 @BestMGQScalerEver @deonment @Elizhaa
Type 2 Nonduality for the Heavenly Dao of Primordial Chaos: @Planck69 @Dereck03 @deonment @Elizhaa
Layered Type 2 Nonduality for Prime Essences/Omega Daos: @BestMGQScalerEver @Elizhaa
Higher Layered Type 2 Nonduality for Daobirth and Eternal Omega Daos: @Planck69 @Dereck03 @deonment @Elizhaa
Plurality for Autarch Omega Daos: @Planck69 @Dereck03 @deonment @Elizhaa
9 Dimensional Autarch Omega Daos: @Planck69 @Dereck03 @deonment @Elizhaa
Limited NEP for Void Will*: @Planck69 @Dereck03 @deonment @Elizhaa
*There's disagreement if it should be type 1 or 2 NEP.
This thread will aim at complex abilities (and a minor one at the very end), namely Type 1 Concept Manipulation, Transduality and NEP.
Reading this accepted CRT as well as having some familiarity with this blog for the cosmology would be good to fully comprehend this thread, as I definitely don't plan to go over some minor things all over again, as it would only waste space and time.
Type 1 Concepts:
As can be seen in his profile, Ning already has type 2 concept hax, these being ranked in-verse in mainly 3 levels, Dao, Grand Dao and Heavenly Dao but there's also Supreme Daos, which are created by cultivators when their level (insight, power, etc) surpasses that of the Heavenly Daos.
As can be seen from their type, these are the concepts that make up everything in the universe, they are in turn the mere outer emanations of the Prime Essences of the Universe with their inner layers being outside what normal cultivators can reach, their superiority also extends to Supreme Daos, which as I said above are created by cultivators to surpass the Heavenly Daos, in comparison to Supreme Daos, an Omega Dao (which is a cultivators' Dao that was perfected to the level of the Prime Essences) is an ultimate Dao and is like the Taiji, with the Supreme Daos being merely the trigrams.
With the Prime Essences being also explicitly stated to be the source of the Primordial Chaos, which is the highest of the Heavenly Daos (this specific quote will be important again later).
In conclusion, there are Daos that make up the universe and then there are the Essences/Omega Daos which emanate them which should make them type 1 concepts, Ning would have this as soon as he gets his own Omega Sword Dao.
Transduality type 2:
As stated above, the Heavenly Dao of Primordial Chaos is at the top of the hierarchy of Heavenly Daos and it was directly stated to be the source of the others, including Yin and Yang, Life and Destruction, etc
As seen in the previous section, Omega Daos were compared to the Taiji, the Prime Essences were stated to be the source of the Primordial Chaos and similarly were also stated to stabilize the entire universe, I've to add that Primordial Chaos is an omnipresent Heavenly Dao, unlike the others, which vary from place to place
In conclusion, the Heavenly Dao of Primordial Chaos, the Prime Essences of the Universe and the Omega Daos should have Transduality for giving birth to Yin Yang and other dualities, as well as being directly compared to the Taiji in the story, Ning's soul would have this as it's one with his Dao and therefore was also affected when he achieved his Omega Sword Dao.
Possibly Layered Transduality:
In case the above doesn't go through as Transduality, this would probably be just default Transduality, so don't think to hard on the title.
Before going into the specific ability, I've to explain what is Daobirth:
Planck will agree with that this part of the series is strange, but simplifying, after a cultivator creates a Supreme Dao, they can evolve to other levels (by going through something called Daomerge), first Eternal Daos which later can reach Hegemon level and finally Daobirth, with Cultivators who have reached this level being called Autarchs.
At the level of Daobirth, ones Dao will become an Essence and its level will be directly comparable to an Eternal Omega Dao (which is an Omega Dao that went through Daomerge), being even able to create their own universe with their Daobirth Essence as a Prime Essence of this new, alternate universe.
Although indirectly, the above already implies Transduality, as I understand it, as ones' Daobirth Essence is able to create other Daos, which although not directly named, shouldn't be different from the Prime Essences and Daos we've seen before, such as Space, Time, Yin Yang, Primordial Chaos, etc.
How the above relates to Ning - Plurality:
As shown above, Ning's Eternal Omega Dao and Omega Daos in general have their own evidence for being Transdual and Type 1 Concepts, but what I see as more of evidence for Transduality (layered in case the previous ones are accepted) or Plurality appear when Ning himself goes through stages after basic Eternal Omega Dao.
After Ning reached the Eternal Omega level, he started to cultivate other Daos to the Hegemon level and ultimately fused then all into his Eternal Omega Sword Dao (there are more than the ones listed here), when Ning fused all of them at the same time alongside the will to cause absolute destruction, Ning created the Oblivion Sword Dao, which is the first step towards Omega Autarchy.
Later on he found out Oblivion is only one step and after it came Creation, both being facets of the true Autarch Omega Sword Dao, where one begets two, two begets three and three begets all things (as the translator pointed out, this is pretty much directly taken from Daoism and has been referenced on other, lower levels of the verse as well as I sent above) with the additional context that Autarch Omega Daos are the singularity known as Omega.
In conclusion, as seen in most of the quotes above, Ning's Dao is above Yin and Yang and all other dualities, Karma which connects all dualities and other such concepts like the Five Elements, as well as Oblivion which is the end of all these concepts and Creation which begins all of them, IMO this could be plurality as I find it pretty similar to one of the examples the page uses for plurality.
The above would apply to Ning's Dao/Soul/mind as his insight surpassed the Quintessence of the Chaosverse but not his body... if it can even be called a body at this point as he fused with the Chaosverse (read his profile for more info on his body), but his body can in theory receive anything up to the level of the Eternal Omega Daos, as the Chaosverse is ultimately made up of them.
Upgrade to 9D:
You might be wandering why I explained what Daobirth is if it barely was directly used in the above Section and why I said you should be familiar with the cosmology of the verse, these things will be important now.
To begin with, what is currently accepted is that Prime Essences/Omega Daos are 7D, as are universes and there are cultivators whose hax and resistances scale here even tho they lack Essences/Omega Daos (in other words, they have the dimensionality but not the profundity)
Above these two as I've shown throughout this thread there is the Quintessence, which is actually a collection of Eternal Omega Daos and the Daobirth Essences which scale here as I've also shown, are already accepted as 8D.
When a cultivator that doesn't use an Omega Dao and instead uses a normal Eternal Dao (which would be at the Hegemonic level in this case, but Hegemonic is more a power level than a stage itself, if you get what I mean) goes through Daobirth and they become Autarchs, their Dao is upgraded to a level it's on par with Eternal Omega Daos, so an Eternal Omega Dao which has gone through Daobirth would in turn be at a higher dimensional level than everything below it.
Miscellaneous additions:
Immortality type 2, as he can survive without his head and in higher level can act normally without his head
Limited NEP (Type 1, Aspects 1, 2, 3 and 5; In his "Void Will" state he lacks all aspects of his being, including his body, soul, and truesoul, which is the imprint of a being within Destiny. The mind and soul are one and the same for all beings and even include the Daos they fused with).
Agree Votes:
Type 1 Concept for Essences/Omega Daos: @Planck69 @Dereck03 @BestMGQScalerEver @deonment @Elizhaa
Type 2 Nonduality for the Heavenly Dao of Primordial Chaos: @Planck69 @Dereck03 @deonment @Elizhaa
Layered Type 2 Nonduality for Prime Essences/Omega Daos: @BestMGQScalerEver @Elizhaa
Higher Layered Type 2 Nonduality for Daobirth and Eternal Omega Daos: @Planck69 @Dereck03 @deonment @Elizhaa
Plurality for Autarch Omega Daos: @Planck69 @Dereck03 @deonment @Elizhaa
9 Dimensional Autarch Omega Daos: @Planck69 @Dereck03 @deonment @Elizhaa
Limited NEP for Void Will*: @Planck69 @Dereck03 @deonment @Elizhaa
*There's disagreement if it should be type 1 or 2 NEP.
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