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One-Punch Man CGT: Settling the Topic of Serious Punch²
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Blast and his friends reacted to it in slow motion. Then Saitama and Garou who Blast was struggling to dodge attacks from, both evolved exponentially.
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Probably not the best time but I disagree with the explosion being sphere shaped.
A bit hard to explain without visual aids but I’ll try; for us to see a complete void of stars the sphere would have to hit any star close to our solar system on any axis, even if that star was really far away on another axis. It would have to be 50 (or like, 7000, apparently) light years away from our solar system on the z axis but only 1 light year away on the x axis for there to not be a star visible over that void. This is obviously not how, you know, radii work, if 7000 light years was the radius (that’s the radius of the perceptible part of the void in the z and y axes) as for what I said to be the case the solar system would also have to be consumed by this sphere, which is blatantly not the case.
However we obviously don’t treat 7000 ly as the radius because we’ve always been more concerned with the x axis (which is currently being treated as 16308 ly) and it just so happens that with a sector of a circle/sphere (it doesn’t really matter since we only need to compare two dimensions here) the smaller it is the greater the proportionate difference between half the base and the height is, meaning you COULD have a segment be 1 ly on the x axis but 50 ly on the z and y axes if the segment was proportionately small enough.
Except… you can’t. I made an equation for it (I’ll post it the derivation for it at some point, need to redownload imgur tho) and I got
1-l/h= a
With 1 being the total radius, 1 being half of the base of the segment, h being the height of the segment and a being the proportion of the radius which is cut off. Due to its definition a cannot be equal to or greater than 1, ergo half the base can only ever be equal to or greater than the height.
Due to this I do not think we should calculate the feat as a sphere, and instead as a cone, which would result in lower values.
A bit hard to explain without visual aids but I’ll try; for us to see a complete void of stars the sphere would have to hit any star close to our solar system on any axis, even if that star was really far away on another axis. It would have to be 50 (or like, 7000, apparently) light years away from our solar system on the z axis but only 1 light year away on the x axis for there to not be a star visible over that void. This is obviously not how, you know, radii work, if 7000 light years was the radius (that’s the radius of the perceptible part of the void in the z and y axes) as for what I said to be the case the solar system would also have to be consumed by this sphere, which is blatantly not the case.
However we obviously don’t treat 7000 ly as the radius because we’ve always been more concerned with the x axis (which is currently being treated as 16308 ly) and it just so happens that with a sector of a circle/sphere (it doesn’t really matter since we only need to compare two dimensions here) the smaller it is the greater the proportionate difference between half the base and the height is, meaning you COULD have a segment be 1 ly on the x axis but 50 ly on the z and y axes if the segment was proportionately small enough.
Except… you can’t. I made an equation for it (I’ll post it the derivation for it at some point, need to redownload imgur tho) and I got
1-l/h= a
With 1 being the total radius, 1 being half of the base of the segment, h being the height of the segment and a being the proportion of the radius which is cut off. Due to its definition a cannot be equal to or greater than 1, ergo half the base can only ever be equal to or greater than the height.
Due to this I do not think we should calculate the feat as a sphere, and instead as a cone, which would result in lower values.
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He definitely reacted to the original explosion and I think the original explosion scales in speed since there’s no implication Blast added extra energy to the explosion, he seemed mainly concerned with changing the direction.
I guess we could divide the speed by whatever proportion the original sphere had in volume over the beam?
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Last I remember the staff made a consensus to not do that.
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Great, now where are the giant sized galaxies (in comparison to what they should look like) in the hole shot? Oh, nowhere to be seen? That's funny, it's almost like Garou's shot was merely a background.
Cool, so no galaxies around the hole itself. How does this support intergalactic distance in any way? Oh, it doesn't? I see.
The feat is 4-A, 3-C requires a baseless assumption and the off chance a galaxy was present in the way (otherwise intergalactic distances has no reason to be used)
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I have calculated it under these assumptions. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kulf_Boba/One-Punch_Man_-_Serious_Punch^2
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That's not where the 3-C results are coming from. It's about how far we can see now the feat encompassing galaxies as well.
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Pressure. The vector of the shockwave was pressured into a smaller space than what it would otherwise be, allowing for the beam to reach greater speeds (Like a water flow).
We can still, however, calculate the size of the hole, and the expansion of the explosion which caused the hole, since it's just the energy expanding normally after hitting something, which is what Blast and co reacted to
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It is.
If there are no galaxies in the way of the hole, the explosion would not have to be intergalactic in distance for it to obscure all the visible stars (which are at best, 16000ly away, far from the 1 million a galaxy would have).
This downgrades the size of the hole by a shit ton, thus lowering the ISL.
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Yeah but the problem for me is that I don’t think it expanded into space as the surface area of a sphere.
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The feat is about destroying every as far as the eye can see. Which from different angles we can see galaxies as clear as day. That's why that end makes sense.
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Didn’t catch this comment just as I didn’t catch your original, tbh.
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No it wouldn't, the change in vectors to just one direction would increase the speed of the explosion. The portal was already around Saitama and Garou before their fists clashed, look at the panels.
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The galaxies angle were shown in Chapter 168, not from Chapter 167 though so @GodlyCharmander is correct in that regard
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every light source as far as the eye. If it's stars, then it's 16000ly, if it's galaxies, it's 1000000ly.
If they destroyed all stars in a general area where the light from galaxies are too far away to reach us, then destroying 16000ly worth of stars would be more than enough
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I wasn’t saying he didn’t create it before they punched, he did still obviously react to it otherwise tho.
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It's from the eye of the same source though. Which is one of the points I'm making.
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Which show stars and stars cluster though.
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Created it before they punched each other. Nobody scales to the explosion's speed.
You didn’t read what I said my guy, what the ****?
He was talking, thinking to himself, altering the trajectory of the explosion while it was ongoing. You can even see that the explosion doesn’t expand while he’s altering it.
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Light has to reach us
We're not the ones going at light with our super eye sight
We can see galaxies from angle X because said galaxies' light have reached Earth already. There is no proof there was a galaxy visible from that particular hole.
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A galaxy doesn't have to be there. The point is that the eye that's looking can see intergalactic ranges.
That is all.
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He was actively holding the explosion with his portal, it wasn't naturally going of my guy. The gate around it is containing it.
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You say that but post a scan of the gate bursting. It was simply moving in slow motion to them.He was actively holding the explosion with his portal, it wasn't naturally going of my guy. The gate around it is containing it.
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He was actively holding the explosion with his portal, it wasn't naturally going of my guy. The gate around it is containing it.
How is that proven by the scan you sent? Blast’s gates aren’t forcefields, they’re portals. His portals are almost always referred to as gates.
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I mean what’s your reasoning outside of “VBW downplays ergo whatever value they come to should be buffed up a bit”?
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https://**********/read/gist/OPM/167/7/
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It wasn't bursting, Blast was still holding it off but it was about to burst. Your interpretation is incorrect.
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It bursted. That's the correct interpretation. He says himself he couldn't containing it so he was powering up to redirect it.
No need to downplay something so clear.
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I mean, yeah, that was still referring to the portals. The energy was so great Blast couldn’t move them a great distance away from earth. Blast’s portals breaking under too much energy is nothing new, it literally happened the chapter before.
Also, I’m confused, why are people arguing that Blast created a forcefield around the explosion at some point and yet can’t react to it? The only thing he did before the explosion was create the portal… it’s almost like that’s what he means when he talks about gates. Crazy thought.
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This, a forcrfield being created is headcanon lol.
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Tbf Blast also received help from other heroes as he wasn’t alone too.
Edit: As shown in the next panels of Chapter 167.
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That’s not really relevant. The point is the explosion was moving in slow motion for Blast and the whole “he was holding it back with a forcefield so he shouldn’t scale” doesn’t make sense no matter how you spin it.
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I didn’t argue that though as that was from Mathew who mentioned the portals.
He was actively holding the explosion with his portal, it wasn't naturally going of my guy. The gate around it is containing it.
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the explosion is the ball in the middle and the gate is around it.
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"Saitama is likely way more powerful than this depiction of his current feats, since he has ended every battle thus far effortlessly"
This line has been on Saitama's profile for seven years and it's actually getting removed now. That's insane to me.
This line has been on Saitama's profile for seven years and it's actually getting removed now. That's insane to me.
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Around it is energy. Nothing suggests it's a gate. Actually, he refers to gates as the portals themselves. If it was still in the gate it would have been teleported away.
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