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One-Punch Man CGT: Settling the Topic of Serious Punch²

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the explosion is the ball in the middle and the gate is around it.



I mean I can understand that being the image given for the portal exploding (it’s fairly similar looking to the exploding forcefield we saw before) but how does that change anything?

My interpretation of events is that blast tried to move the explosion away, this failed cause his gates exploded due to the energy, he flew away and then he tried to alter the trajectory of the explosion. That visual effect outside the explosion being the gates exploding is absolutely accepted.
 
"Saitama is likely way more powerful than this depiction of his current feats, since he has ended every battle thus far effortlessly"

This line has been on Saitama's profile for seven years and it's actually getting removed now. That's insane to me.
Wait, that's actually insane! What in the world? In what world are people thinking he was exerting himself, while he was clearly not trying to kill and was also not using one of his hands.
 
Wait, that's actually insane! What in the world? In what world are people thinking he was exerting himself, while he was clearly not trying to kill and was also not using one of his hands.
Saitama used his full power against Garou, but then his full-power increased. There's no need to put "At least" or "Likely far higher" to appease people on the profile anymore.
 
Saitama used his full power against Garou, but then his full-power increased. There's no need to put "At least" or "Likely far higher" to appease people on the profile anymore.
But, we're back to square one. As seen in the latest chapter, it says: "There was no longer anybody left to measure what level Saitama's strength had reached." Then he sneezed (serious sneeze), and nearly blew Jupiter up. He had exceeded the need to go full power against him by then. There's no appeasing here, it's just facts. It seems like you're hellbent on lowballing/nerfing him for the sake of it. Explain how you could go full-power and also hold back.
 
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Saitama used his full power against Garou, but then his full-power increased. There's no need to put "At least" or "Likely far higher" to appease people on the profile anymore.
it goes from likely higher to being "far higher with accelerated development and power mimicry"
Great, now where are the giant sized galaxies (in comparison to what they should look like) in the hole shot? Oh, nowhere to be seen? That's funny, it's almost like Garou's shot was merely a background.

Cool, so no galaxies around the hole itself. How does this support intergalactic distance in any way? Oh, it doesn't? I see.

The feat is 4-A, 3-C requires a baseless assumption and the off chance a galaxy was present in the way (otherwise intergalactic distances has no reason to be used)
the 3-C calc is based on the fact that in OPM, multiple galaxies are easily visible, which vastly increases the range in which the serious punch^2 must have most likely destroyed, which is reasonable but not confirmed
which is why we put possibly on profiles, we do this all the time for lesser reasons so I don't see why we can't have at least 4-A, possibly 3-C on the profile due to the very clear amount of uncertainty the galaxies are creating, it's reasonable doubt
especially since by later in the series these feats are gonna be obsolete regardless, and it has already been far surpassed by the AD and whatnot so there's not much of a reason to care anyways
 
He used his full power, Garou matched him, then Saitama's Accelerated Development kicked him and made him far stronger than Garou. It's not rocket science.
I won't agree he was going full-power, as he never intended to kill him. Perhaps full-power within the confines of that restriction that he put on himself. But, even you agree he's far stronger than Garou. And that's his level now, that's how his growth works. So, yes, it's still "likely higher." Also, just saying, but no need to be condescending.
 
it goes from likely higher to being "far higher with accelerated development and power mimicry"

the 3-C calc is based on the fact that in OPM, multiple galaxies are easily visible, which vastly increases the range in which the serious punch^2 must have most likely destroyed, which is reasonable but not confirmed
which is why we put possibly on profiles, we do this all the time for lesser reasons so I don't see why we can't have at least 4-A, possibly 3-C on the profile due to the very clear amount of uncertainty the galaxies are creating, it's reasonable doubt
especially since by later in the series these feats are gonna be obsolete regardless, and it has already been far surpassed by the AD and whatnot so there's not much of a reason to care anyways
Over here, they aren't even agreeing on the "At least" part, let alone "possibly 3-C."
 
Doesn't Saitama word for word stay he was using his full power? Heck the chart showing Saitama growth showed that at the start of the fight him and Garou were physically equal.
But, the graph doesn't matter in the scaling from what I have seen in this thread (also, it doesn't show the beginning of it, anyways). It could very well be full power within the restriction of not killing Garou, as that's what he had promised the kid.
 
I won't agree he was going full-power, as he never intended to kill him.
You'd have to disagree with Saitama himself to argue that.
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Perhaps full-power within the confines of that restriction that he put on himself. But, even you agree he's far stronger than Garou. And that's his level now, that's how his growth works. So, yes, it's still "likely higher."
Yes, he evolved to far surpass Garou in the end, ergo "Higher with Reactive Power level"
 
Whether he went full power or not is irrelevant, Saitama's casual strength far surpassed the serious punch squared.
 
it goes from likely higher to being "far higher with accelerated development and power mimicry"

the 3-C calc is based on the fact that in OPM, multiple galaxies-
Three. Out of 9 we can see from Earth.

The odds of one of the nine being in that general direction is not plausible enough for a possibly, and Chapter 168 certainly doesn't support it either.
 
How so? Also, the graph, from the first panel in which it's shown, shows that Saitama is higher on it.
It's Saitama growing stronger, it's quite literally stated as such. He was at full power, then grew stronger at a faster pace than Garou could catch up.
 
Three. Out of 9 we can see from Earth.

The odds of one of the nine being in that general direction is not plausible enough for a possibly, and Chapter 168 certainly doesn't support it either.
I think the most logical course of action is to see what direction the earth was facing and use it to determine if there should be a galaxy there then, which is something that can be done in calc
 
I'm arguing why the 3-C calc isn't valid, so yeah, ratings are a definitely part of that.
I'm saying that trying to decide on ratings comes later. Be patient. As of now we should be trying to figure out which calc makes the most sense logically and contextually.
 
@USklaverei Have you made a calc blog for the serious punch Clash or would you be okay if I just copy pasted what you wrote into one?
 
I personally don't see why we can't use intergalactic range. The hole eliminated all visible light, and in different shots we see clear galaxies. Using the Andromeda Galaxy makes a lot of sense.

I would usually be all for going for a lower end (furthest star), but in this case, Murata seemed to really go out of his way to show 0 light, and later on show galaxies. I feel like his motive was to show that Garou and Saitama are that powerful.
 
Murata would've drawn some galaxies within the panel if their blast was meant to reach other galaxies. There're purposely only stars in the panel. The recent chapter goes against it reaching other galaxies as well.
 
I think the most logical course of action is to see what direction the earth was facing and use it to determine if there should be a galaxy there then, which is something that can be done in calc
on second thought, opm earth doesn't seem to be very 1:1 with real earth so we can't actually determine what directon the camera was facing most likely
however we know that there's absolutely nothing visible in that hole, so it would make sense to go by the furthest distance that has been shown to be visible
but we don't really know if he went through the effort to make the drawing perfectly replicate real life cosmology instead of just randomly placing dots and brighter dots, although, those brighter dots with a slight shape do seem to be small galaxies being drawn around the hole, which leads me to believe that it is highly unlikely no galaxies were in that circle
 
Murata would've drawn some galaxies within the panel if their blast was meant to reach other galaxies. There're purposely only stars in the panel. The recent chapter goes against it reaching other galaxies as well.
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I personally don't see why we can't use intergalactic range. The hole eliminated all visible light, and in different shots we see clear galaxies. Using the Andromeda Galaxy makes a lot of sense.

I would usually be all for going for a lower end (furthest star), but in this case, Murata seemed to really go out of his way to show 0 light, and later on show galaxies. I feel like his motive was to show that Garou and Saitama are that powerful.
The star density is just unfathomably higher than the galaxy density in space, believe it or not.
It's safer to use high end stellar range.
 
I know there are panels with galaxies in them. I'm specifically talking about the panel of their destruction feat.
Why would we need that? In different shots at around the same area, we see that far away, there are in fact galaxies that can be seen. If we can see Galaxies right next to where the Hole happened, then I don't know why we can't apply it to the Hole itself.
 
Already said so, these galaxies are impossibly big, and would debunk intergalactic distances anyway as they are far less than 1 mil ly away

These kind of galaxies would be visible during the day, and the night. Nothing of sorts is shown. It's simply a background for Garou.
 
The star density is just unfathomably higher than the galaxy density in space, believe it or not.
It's safer to use high end stellar range.
I know that. The thing is that since we see galaxies in other shots around the hole, there's nothing to be wary of. There is no 'safe' end.
 
Without any confirmation that there were actual galaxies hit by it, I wouldn't really be in favor a high-end as high as that.
I agree. The very page where the destruction takes place we see no indication of any galactic density on the cosmos, the odds of one of them being in that general direction (while still being visible) is drastically low, too low for us to give a possibly rating even.
 
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even if one or two of these aren't galaxies, it's still a pretty clear showing that the galaxy density is much higher than it's believed to be otherwise
 
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