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  1. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    Okay, that's not how ki works. You're using his ki as a frame of reference, for this argument to work, his ki must have received a colossal increase upon merging with the universe, which is not indicated in any way whatsoever in the story. Doesn't matter, no one ever said 'Jiren has a superior...
  2. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    Okay, that's not how ki works. You're using his ki as a frame of reference, for this argument to work, his ki must have received a colossal increase upon merging with the universe, which is not indicated in any way whatsoever in the story.
  3. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    So then his ki received a massive increase upon merging with existence?
  4. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    huh?
  5. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    again, this still comes down to a comparison of ki from jiren to infinite zamasu, but his ki has nothing to do with becoming the universe; so the comparison has no actual weight. This "fusion" is simply a function of his immortality.
  6. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    You're still using it as a power threshold, that Jiren, or anyone else above Infinite Zamasu, has a higher ki than him and so is also multiversal or whatever, but Zamasu's ki is COMPLETELY irrelevant. It has nothing to do with being able to accomplish this feat, so using it as a metric for other...
  7. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    Obviously Jiren>Zamasu. But then, the claim is that him surpassing zamasu represents a new power threshhold that people call 2-C or whatever. But Zamasu....only "became" the multiverse because hes immortal and his body was destroyed. So....Jiren is stronger than immortality? That makes no...
  8. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    That infinite zamasu should not just be treated as a character of a particular strength because he became existence itself and it had absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with his power and everything to do with his immortality. And, AS AN ASIDE, Merged Zamasu was not surpassed in 109, he was...
  9. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    I literally never said that nor implied it. Yes you did. You're arguing that infinite Zamasu is stronger than Jiren, therefore you think he's 3-A. Unless you have other reasons for low 2-C but I highly doubt you do. How nice of you to explain what I'm arguing! Thanks so much! But no, I did...
  10. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    Because Zamasu is literally not a character in that case, he BECAME the universe itself. And all of these arguments that it was strength based have been complete nonsense. "Oh he used the energy of existence" The only energy you could be referring to is Genki, which is essentially life energy...
  11. PFM18

    Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 87

    How do we know he did? Since when could you attribute zenkai boosts to achieving a new form?
  12. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    Obviously Zamasu>>>>>>Jiren. But to say "oh the baseline 2-C is at Astral Zamasu because he became the universe" is nonsensical because you're attributing to power that is simply not a reflection of power. He became the universe because his body was destroyed and hes immortal, not because he is...
  13. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    I literally never said that nor implied it.
  14. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    he is. But not only is his 109 self not necessarily stronger than MZ, but that simply does not mean he scales to BEING the multiverse.
  15. PFM18

    How far into low 2-C is DBS?

    Because Zamasu is literally not a character in that case, he BECAME the universe itself. And all of these arguments that it was strength based have been complete nonsense. "Oh he used the energy of existence" The only energy you could be referring to is Genki, which is essentially life energy...
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