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@Natse Welllllllll under normal circumstances you'd be right, but given how the strength of Dragon Ball characters seems to override hax in the canon, I think it's safe to say that enough power can presumably overcome it-- especially in Jiren's case. That being said, I think it entirely depends...
Inconclusive. I still don't see any proof that Jiren can beat Beerus beyond pure conjecture. Until one of the angels or Beerus himself mentions that Jiren is stronger or it's implied, I don't think we can really say.
I don't think it's an outlier, tbh. At this point, we all already know these characters are MFTL+ but the series keeps presenting Jiren as an unbeatable, unstoppable force of nature unlike any other antagonist has been painted as before (yes, I'm including how much Freeza and Beerus were hyped...
Argh, dang it! I just made a thread on this! Oh, well. Yeah, I think this very well may mandate an upgrade for Jiren. There was a lot of debate, additionally, as to whether or not Hit is genuinely manipulating time prior to this. Regardless, it's safe to assume that the Time-Skip zones he...
According to Vados in the subtitled version of Dragon Ball Super episode 111, apparently Jiren's power is so great that it "transcends time".
Thoughts?
I don't see any proof that Jiren is definitively stronger than Beerus. Bereus was undoubtedly shocked at the presence of his Ki, but wouldn't you be too if someone so much more powerful than anyone else on the stage?
Plus, Whis said there exists a mortal who even *a* God of Destruction can't...
Trying to mellow-off my hype from watching the best episode Super for me hands-down. Disregarding the fact that this has now became one of my favorite Dragon Ball episodes ever, I think pre-cognition is safe to put in his profile.
^ I agree, but Dyspo is starting to win me over. I was completely disinterested in him prior to him confronting Hit, but in the last few episodes I've found him to be really interesting. Toppo is hilarious, though.
Hit.
His ability to adapt in battle is incredibly useful. Dyspo seemed to be a lot faster than Hit. Toppo is definitely stronger than Dyspo (or at least he should be since he was implied to be second to Jiren), but Dyspo may very well be faster. Either way, Hit as of this point is likely on-par...