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Being beyond change in a singularity of perspective is not analogous to being outside any logical quantification, it merely means it's beyond human comprehension, which is actually what's stated in "Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath". If it were the case that they transcended *all* logic, you...
@Aogiri
Even the Outer Gods don't transcend logic and cardinality. They have definable features. Even beings like Yog and Azzy are governed under some form of logical consequences, even if they're outside our capability to comprehend.
I'd argue that it is conceptual manip since they can change the fundamental core nature of the multiverse itself, but that's just my own perspective.
And what book is this stuff about Phase Space in? I own all three books of the trilogy and could probably give a background to those feats, if...
@Jobbo
It wasn't going to happen over some long period of time. In the official manga it is stated several times that Super Buu's Vice Shout is going to destroy the entire universe by crushing it with alternate realities, something that seems to be occurring pretty rapidly when Vegetto goes to...
I agree with Sera.
That statement in context only refers to him being able to destroy galaxies, but it doesn't mean he can destroy them instantly. He's shown destroying a single galaxy over time. So 4-A or, at a stretch, At least 4-A is the only appropriate rating. Feats are taken over...
I obviously agree that the Downstreamers should be solidly 1-A for utterly transcending the entirety of the Manifold, but agree that without a blog page, nothing is likely going to happen. High 1-B is due to the Manifold being infinitely layered.
I have all three books in EBook format; I can...
Gan was agreed upon to be solidly 1-A.
We didn't agree with the tier of the Tower, but it'll remain at High 1-B or At least High 1-B until I get better scans, if I do.
Los' tier was agreed to be downgraded and set to Unknown, and Dis' is still being argued (giving him possibly 1-A or keeping...
Has there been any revisions? At the very least, Gan's page needs an upgrade and explanation, which I can give, and the Crimson King's and Bessa's need to change as well.
Yeah, that's kind of what I was trying to say. He *could* be, since you can argue Prim demons of some kinds to be 1-A (The Prim existed before the concept of dimensions), but there's no real evidence.
Agreed. He also was shown being able to grapple with the alien who threw said boulder, and was able to competently fight Spock, who is vastly stronger than any human.