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@Ricsi-viragosi
I'd always thought* SSJ4 is more of a Limit-Breaker. Henceforth, it does not have a fixed-multiplier. Along with* additional things that makes it stronger & better SSG & SSGSS
@Ryukama , DBS transformations only right ? Because idk about SSJ4 - that is its own mystery for some who tries to figure that out
I always thought the statement was referring to to just DBS continuity and not GT. But who knows :'(
@Akerious but how would that explain the large gap between the Two ? Ultra Instinct or not .. Jiren should be fast enough by default to catch Master Roshi regardless - its too big of a difference
Roshi should at least passed-out by the first hit ... let alone a body limb ( or head ) falling...
What are your thoughts about this ? :p
What thoughts have changed about Ultra Instinct " ~Omen~ " ...
Should Master Roshi's Tiering change because he was able to clash with Jiren and not die instantly ? ( or at least pass-out ) .
Does this mean that Master Roshi > than SSGSS & SSG ?
the...
@Ricisi-viragosi the Video you linked with Seth & Chuck ... they've been ... " all-over-the-place lately ". How does that prove anything ? Despite that, if you ignore the little pieces of past evidence thats been given to the audience ... there's a good chance you might miss "something"
^.~*
@AssaultWaffle, I'm trying to stick to the Title of this Thread. When i mentioned Ultra Instinct "Sign" and True Ultra Instinct (white hair Goku) ... i think that spurred it's own "debacle"
Ultimately, however, the whole purpose in that is to make it aware that there are other ways to approach & analyze SSG.
Some like to start using Vegito, some like to start-off using Beerus' 10% Statement to Vegeta, or maybe Toriyama statement of " 6,10,15 " in regards to SSG Goku, Beerus and...
@Ryukama, I am unsure what you're insinuating
I am not saying that Ultra Instinct is weaker is than SSG nor SSGSS. I'm saying its really more technical than just " being stronger " - and the Anime doesn't make that apparent
( but then again by this point its hard to take DBS seriously...