Bowser vs Superman (0-6-0)

[Kurokitomo]

Both 3-C
Bowser gets a grand star
Battle takes place in Lake Lap Cat from Bowser's fury
Speed is equal
Both have prior knowledge of all the abilities one can do
Winner via incap or ko
Both bloodlusted

He's a StarMan 6

Turtle Starman

 

[Delusionaltx2]

So how broken is Superman's plot based AD?

 

[Kurokitomo]

Not sure, although its limited if that helps bowser

 

[Hypertornado099]

So how broken is Superman's plot based AD?

Barely helps him at all

Superman punches him and Bowser dies. He's also more likely to use a ranged projectile that actually moves fast. Superman would easily no sell Bowser's fire breath

 

[Dust_Collector]

Oh right I still gotta make that CRT to downgrade GS Bowser he should not have that 3-C rating even as a possibly.

Yeah Superman's got this and I'd say pretty easily at that, strength and durability wise Superman has the advantage by a little over 23 times so Bowser ain't doing any real damage with his attacks while a single blow from Superman is really gonna do him in, he's also comically outmatched in lifting strength. Bowser's fire breath is noticeably less hot than lava, and even if we used his crazy ice thawing feat from Mario Golf as a high end it's still coming up short to the temps Superman has handled.

Bowser's power null, gravity manipulation, fear manipulation, transmutation, existence erasure, and matter manipulation are all resisted, his only notable ability that I can't see a resistance to is his sealing but even with prior knowledge I doubt he's tossing that out instantly, and even then Superman having knowledge of an ability he doesn't resist is bad news for Bowser since Superman has better options for dealing with him before Bowser can attempt sealing. The heat of his Heat Vision is well beyond Bowser's ability to handle lava for like a minute at most, and it being able to go down to absolute zero is comically colder than anything Bowser's handled. Illusions can distract Bowser into attempting to seal the wrong target if he tries.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Yeah Superman's got this and I'd say pretty easily at that, strength and durability wise Superman has the advantage by a little over 23 times

Isn't it much higher than 23? Superman scales to 2 yottafoe while Bowser downscales from 72 zettafoe

 

[Kurokitomo]

Shooluld i give bowser OE?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Barely helps him at all

Superman punches him and Bowser dies. He's also more likely to use a ranged projectile that actually moves fast. Superman would easily no sell Bowser's fire breath

Huh but he doesn't have that big of a GYAT-

71.977289 zettaFOE

1.7 YottaFoe

That's a 23.9x difference....

Forgot how big the gap between 3-C chars can get, yea this is a stomp

 

[Hypertornado099]

Shooluld i give bowser OE?

That wouldn't change the outcome

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yeah Superman resists the best stuff Bowser's OE gives him (Time Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation). Bowser's Damage Reduction is really useful against people a few times stronger than himself but in this case he's still gonna be reducing the damage from Supermans attacks from being over 20 times stronger than his durability, to still over 10 times greater than his durability. And the resistances he gains are, again, really good, just not helpful here since most of the resistances are for abilities Superman doesn't have in the first place.

With or without optional equipment, he's getting decked.

 

[Kurokitomo]

I updated so both are bloodlusted, does superman have an answer to speed amps, being drastically reduced in terms of speed, not being able to see bowser due to invisibility, retry clock, or being life force absorbed?

 

[AyOgUyS]

So…what is Bowser supposed to do exactly?
(Frankly I don’t even think Superman should have this BS plot stuff but it is what it is)

 

[AyOgUyS]

I updated so both are bloodlusted

So what stops Supes from instant heat vision sniping Bowser?

does superman have an answer to speed amps,

he pushes himself beyond his limits or something

not being able to see bowser due to invisibility

Wait, Bowser’s invisible? Since when?

retry clock,

BFR ig

or being life force absorbed?

Superman’s resisted his powers and the solar energy inside his body being absorbed before

 

[Kurokitomo]

So…what is Bowser supposed to do exactly?
(Frankly I don’t even think Superman should have this BS plot stuff but it is what it is)

heard the plot manip is not really that good. Do you know any dc supporters that know if it really helps? Just to be sure

 

[AyOgUyS]

heard the plot manip is not really that good. Do you know any dc supporters that know if it really helps? Just to be sure

Try calling @KirbyFan03, @Frankky123, @Bimgus8010 and @PromptedElephant641

 

[Kurokitomo]

Wait, Bowser’s invisible? Since when?

With the Boo biscuit

he pushes himself beyond his limits or something

Does that come with a speed amp?

BFR ig

What does that look like?

Superman’s resisted his powers and the solar energy inside his body being absorbed before

I guess thats fair

 

[AyOgUyS]

With the Boo biscuit

What if Superman snipes the biscuit with heat vision

Does that come with a speed amp?

I mean Superman can always just fly into the sun to power himself up (which affects all physical stats so yea speed too)

What does that look like?

“Utilized counter-vibrations to send a Phantom Planet outside the universe”

 

[AyOgUyS]

So…what is Bowser supposed to do exactly?
(Frankly I don’t even think Superman should have this BS plot stuff but it is what it is)

For the record I don’t think this matters here at all but it does mean Bowser can’t permanently put down Supes.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Could Bowser time travel and like brutally maul baby Superman?

 

[Kurokitomo]

Bowser can’t permanently put down Supes.

i made the winner via KO

Could Bowser time travel and like brutally maul baby Superman?

I think he can, he did travel back in time to help his younger self

What if Superman snipes the biscuit with heat vision

Thats fair, both have prior knowledge so thats a possibility

I mean Superman can always just fly into the sun to power himself up (which affects all physical stats so yea speed too)

How many amps is it exactly?

 

[IDK3465]

Could Bowser time travel and like brutally maul baby Superman?

I’m just imagining Bowser going back in time and body slamming the pod baby Superman’s in right before it reaches Earth

Anyway, following

 

[Kurokitomo]

forgot, bowser does not know where superman was born, so time traveling to kill baby superman is not an option

 

[AyOgUyS]

forgot, bowser does not know where superman was born, so time traveling to kill baby superman is not an option

:[

 

[AyOgUyS]

i made the winner via KO

I see. Does Bowser have sleep manip? That’d be awfully convenient

How many amps is it exactly?

It’s vague but I’m pretty sure there’s a few instances where he gets a hundreds to thousands of times stat amp. Maybe you should like remove the sun to make it more fair?

 

[KirbyFan03]

So how broken is Superman's plot based AD?

Basically it steers the narrative in his direction

Literally themes and such

Not featherine levels of bs but it does steer around him

 

[AyOgUyS]

Wait what if Bowser nukes the Sun or something so Superman becomes frail and powerless

 

[KirbyFan03]

Wait what if Bowser nukes the Sun or something so Superman becomes frail and powerless

That would still take time

Plus superman can time travel or simply fly to another star

And if Bowser blew up the sun supes would go all out killing him

 

[AyOgUyS]

That would still take time

Plus superman can time travel or simply fly to another star

And if Bowser blew up the sun supes would go all out killing him

aw dam it :[

 

[KirbyFan03]

aw dam it :[

Personally id side superman because he has more hax it seems

Dura neg go brrr

 

[IDK3465]

Yeah, Supes unfortunately takes this one pretty easily
All of Bowser’s main hax are resisted/countered, and Clark has WAY better AP and amps (also canon plot armor ig)

It’s a shame, but comic characters simply just have more sauce than any Mario character does

 

[KirbyFan03]

Yeah, Supes unfortunately takes this one pretty easily
All of Bowser’s main hax are resisted/countered, and Clark has WAY better AP and amps (also canon plot armor ig)

It’s a shame, but comic characters simply just have more sauce than any Mario character does

Honestly the plot manip is more od a side effect of the story of superman

Amazing plot hax resistances. Crappy hax application

 

[AyOgUyS]

Oh come on! Could Bowser like idk abuse Superman’s weakness to kryptonite somehow?

 

[KirbyFan03]

Oh come on! Could Bowser like idk abuse Superman’s weakness to kryptonite somehow?

Not an instant win

Plus supes bodied Metallo with the genesys tech avatar

 

[AyOgUyS]

Not an instant win

Plus supes bodied Metallo with the genesys tech avatar

:[

 

[Frankky123]

So…what is Bowser supposed to do exactly?
(Frankly I don’t even think Superman should have this BS plot stuff but it is what it is)

Bro come on....

It would get my ahh kicked by antvasima if i bring it again

These two would make it clear. This and this
Second scan isn't main Superman but it should be applied the same.

 

[Kurokitomo]

Votes counted btw

 

[Kurokitomo]

These two would make it clear. This and this
Second scan isn't main Superman but it should be applied the same.

You gotta make a crt for such if thats the case

 

[AyOgUyS]

Voting Supes sadly :[

 

[KirbyFan03]

Holy landslide batman!

 

[Hypertornado099]

I updated so both are bloodlusted, does superman have an answer to speed amps, being drastically reduced in terms of speed, not being able to see bowser due to invisibility, retry clock, or being life force absorbed?

You would have no way of proving he would use any of that except for the retry clock, which Superman can counter by defeating him again. None of those would even help anyways, the speed amps aren't enough to give that much of an advantage, and i believe the lightning has only been shown to reduce the travel speed of Karts and the movement speed of the cast in Power Tennis, which isn't FTL. This means it likely wouldn't do much to Clark if it even hits. Its also temporary.

The boo biscuit is also temporary and as for absorption, Bowser has to suck you in and eat you. I don't think he can do that to someone as big as Superman who can simply fly away

So…what is Bowser supposed to do exactly?
(Frankly I don’t even think Superman should have this BS plot stuff but it is what it is)

Superman can still lose fights, this isn't very useful here