Shadow Slave Discussion Thread

[S33rz]

I know Shadow Slave is still ongoing. But something I've been curious about is, how far into the novel do the current profiles project?

Vol 10 at best on some stuff, but not most. Sunless profile for example is missing a lot of things, which the next CRT will try to sort out. Rn I'm getting everything up to date to vol 11.

 

[karo_senpaii]

So when are we changing the spell weave from low 1c to 1A considering it transcends even the void?

 

[S33rz]

So when are we changing the spell weave from low 1c to 1A considering it transcends even the void?

When the series ends probably, but Strings =/= Fate so spell weave might remain 1C, tho we have arguments for getting it higher than Low1C.

Fate itself would probably end up being higher than 1A i think, since even Flame has properties of shedding Object/Subject distinction due to it's unchanging Nature and Void should be >>Flame. Fate will be however high we can get it.

 

[Seraphor12]

So when are we changing the spell weave from low 1c to 1A considering it transcends even the void?

Dunno bro if even 1-A would be accepted

 

[Seraphor12]

When the series ends probably, but Strings =/= Fate so spell weave might remain 1C, tho we have arguments for getting it higher than Low1C.

Fate itself would probably end up being higher than 1A i think, since even Flame has properties of shedding Object/Subject distinction due to it's unchanging Nature and Void should be >>Flame. Fate will be however high we can get it.

Because of fate, strings of fate would be low 1A

 

[S33rz]

Dunno bro if even 1-A would be accepted

Believe bro, use your Flame to achieve your desire.

 

[Seraphor12]

Although yeah fate might scale higher than void and flame but its mid as no one would scale to it.

 

[Seraphor12]

Believe bro, use your Flame to achieve your desire.

You want me to say "If it is my will then who dares to stop me"

 

[S33rz]

Probably only Sunless cause of being third paradox, maybe the nine too if we get more information. That's it tho.

 

[Seraphor12]

Probably only Sunless cause of being third paradox, maybe the nine too if we get more information. That's it tho.

As far as I know, his influence is just on the strings of fate and for now there isn't really anything which can give him hax directed from actual fate.

 

[S33rz]

As far as I know, his influence is just on the strings of fate and for now there isn't really anything which can give him hax to actual fate.

Say it aint so. Well, there's still a while before the series ends and at least 2 major powerups to go, anything can happen.

 

[Seraphor12]

Say it aint so. Well, there's still a while before the series ends and at least 2 major powerups to go, anything can happen.

Maybe, but idk, although you can always wank.

 

[S33rz]

Maybe, but idk, although you can always wank.

. Desperate times ig.

 

[Seraphor12]

. Desperate times ig.

Anyway, Fate gets Acasuality type 5

knowing no distinction between cause and effect, between the past and the future...

 

[S33rz]

Anyway, Fate gets Acasuality type 5

 

[karo_senpaii]

When the series ends probably, but Strings =/= Fate so spell weave might remain 1C, tho we have arguments for getting it higher than Low1C.

I get that but the strings itself control at least the void and is woven on the void itself also at least. if not with the void wide open , forget a sleeping forgotten god, everything there would be pouring right into reality

Fate itself would probably end up being higher than 1A i think, since even Flame has properties of shedding Object/Subject distinction due to it's unchanging Nature and Void should be >>Flame. Fate will be however high we can get it.

I'm not sure it will go past 1A. I don't see a clear layering between the void and the flame

Dunno bro if even 1-A would be accepted

There's no way the void doesn't get 1A accepted. Even the flame has 1A potential and all beings from sacred above would probably have hax from it

 

[karo_senpaii]

Also uhhn I'm not too happy about the way Ap looks for supremes. I think they should have it divided into two. Normal ap and ap with will coz without that it just feels like there's a bunch of anti feats.

It seems to me that the tier 4 is not something any supreme that has existed and has ever existed could ever output. The only reason they can match something like that is via will.

 

[Seraphor12]

Also uhhn I'm not too happy about the way Ap looks for supremes. I think they should have it divided into two. Normal ap and ap with will coz without that it just feels like there's a bunch of anti feats.

It seems to me that the tier 4 is not something any supreme that has existed and has ever existed could ever output. The only reason they can match something like that is via will.

For sunny it is exactly like that, He have moon level ap and then solar system level which is because of will.

 

[S33rz]

I get that but the strings itself control at least the void and is woven on the void itself also at least. if not with the void wide open , forget a sleeping forgotten god, everything there would be pouring right into reality

The reason why the void doesn't pour over is because of the Void gate and the Cage of Desire. Also Nothigness.

I'm not sure it will go past 1A. I don't see a clear layering between the void and the flame

Might not, but Flame, True darkness etc are all just permutations of the Void/Chaos so who knows.

Also uhhn I'm not too happy about the way Ap looks for supremes. I think they should have it divided into two. Normal ap and ap with will coz without that it just feels like there's a bunch of anti feats.

It seems to me that the tier 4 is not something any supreme that has existed and has ever existed could ever output. The only reason they can match something like that is via will.

This is how it's treated i believe.

 

[karo_senpaii]

This also explains why for example exceptionally strong saints like Effie can match someone like azarax physically without the will(yeah I know it's barely but still) , also why sunny said the difference between saints and supremes physically isn't as ridiculous as you'd think but that the key difference is their will.


Instead of that ugly ass "likely" on the profile, just put something like "moon level normally, multi-solar system via wielding will"

 

[karo_senpaii]

For sunny it is exactly like that, He have moon level ap and then solar system level which is because of will.

It's like that for all of them. With anvil will weakened sunny could somewhat match him, in fact he'd have probably won without, Effie could somewhat fight azarax without his will

 

[S33rz]

This also explains why for example exceptionally strong saints like Effie can match someone like azarax physically without the will(yeah I know it's barely but still) , also why sunny said the difference between saints and supremes physically isn't as ridiculous as you'd think but that the key difference is their will.


Instead of that ugly ass "likely" on the profile, just put something like "moon level normally, multi-solar system via wielding will"

Current CRT is going to get Sunless up to date with Vol 11 so i'll format it like this.

It's like that for all of them. With anvil will weakened sunny could somewhat match him, in fact he'd have probably won without, Effie could somewhat fight azarax without his will

Yes, but Sunless is our only Supreme on the verse page rn.

 

[karo_senpaii]

The reason why the void doesn't pour over is because of the Void gate and the Cage of Desire. Also Nothigness.

There is already a gate opened in reality. Also sunny saw the strings laid out on the void, it's probably what is holding everything back. There's too much evidence for the spell to at least scale to the void. At the very least it'll scale above the Gods though

Might not, but Flame, True darkness etc are all just permutations of the Void/Chaos so who knows.

The void itself might scale higher but no one would scale to it

This is how it's treated i believe.

The profile doesn't reflect that at all

 

[karo_senpaii]

Current CRT is going to get Sunless up to date with Vol 11 so i'll format it like this.


Yes, but Sunless is our only Supreme on the verse page rn.

I want to help out with some stuff so I'd do a re read. The cohort should have profiles at least..is someone doing a cosmology blog?

 

[S33rz]

There is already a gate opened in reality. Also sunny saw the strings laid out on the void, it's probably what is holding everything back. There's too much evidence for the spell to at least scale to the void. At the very least it'll scale above the Gods though

Made from the Gods and Daemons so it's going to be scaling above them.

The void itself might scale higher but no one would scale to it

Forgotten God maybe.

I want to help out with some stuff so I'd do a re read. The cohort should have profiles at least..is someone doing a cosmology blog?

Nephis and Cassie are making an appearance in the next batch of CRT'. As for cosmology blog i would start one but we've all decided to wait for the series to end, who knows what other changes G3 makes to the cosmology if we make one now.

The profile doesn't reflect that at all

Outdated af .

 

[Seraphor12]

is someone doing a cosmology blog?

No need for blog, we already have the page.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_Slave_Cosmology

 

[S33rz]

No need for blog, we already have the page.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_Slave_Cosmology

Incredibly outdated, should be completely and absolutely overhauled as soon as the last chapter drops.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Made from the Gods and Daemons so it's going to be scaling above them.

Daemons probably can't scale to 1A. They'd just have hax on that level

Forgotten God maybe.

Idk about that unless G3 does something crazy

Nephis and Cassie are making an appearance in the next batch of CRT'. As for cosmology blog i would start one but we've all decided to wait for the series to end, who knows what other changes G3 makes to the cosmology if we make one now.

Outdated af .

You guys got a server?

 

[Seraphor12]

Incredibly outdated, should be completely and absolutely overhauled as soon as the last chapter drops.

WE didn't even get that much info bro to revamp that much. Wait till the EoS. We still need to know the origin of Strings of fate. The way sunny talks about them, he quite literally thinks they're fate itself which is a problem for scaling fate higher.

 

[Seraphor12]

You guys got a server?

Yes

 

[S33rz]

Idk about that unless G3 does something crazy

2nd Paradox is too cool a name for it to not scale above Flame at least. There's also the insuniuation that he's singlehandedly diminishing the Flame.

You guys got a server?

Yeah, i can add you just drop your discord handle.

 

[S33rz]

WE didn't even get that much info bro to revamp that much. Wait till the EoS. We still need to know the origin of Strings of fate. The way sunny talks about them, he quite literally thinks they're fate itself which is a problem for scaling fate higher.

We have too much info about Flame, the metaphysical Plane that holds absolute laws and serves as the bodies of Gods within Divine realms, Nature of True Darkness, Nothingness, Flame and Void being chaos plus Fate. In regards to Sunny, there's no problem with it since we know Strings cannot be Fate or it makes no sense how no God can affect Fate.

 

[karo_senpaii]

2nd Paradox is too cool a name for it to not scale above Flame at least. There's also the insuniuation that he's singlehandedly diminishing the Flame.

There shouldn't be any reason he'd be so ridiculously above the gods though


Also shouldn't weaving be info type 2?

Yeah, i can add you just drop your discord handle.

@karo_senpai

 

[S33rz]

There shouldn't be any reason he'd be so ridiculously above the gods though


Also shouldn't weaving be info type 2?

He should be actually, his hype is too much. Has Sunny thinking that everything is the Forgotten God's dream.

You're behind on the Meta, next two CRT's include Sorcery CRT which is giving them all info type 2 plus layers. Also going to finally settle Will layers.

 

[Seraphor12]

We have too much info about Flame, the metaphysical Plane that holds absolute laws and serves as the bodies of Gods within Divine realms, Nature of True Darkness, Nothingness, Flame and Void being chaos plus Fate. In regards to Sunny, there's no problem with it since we know Strings cannot be Fate or it makes no sense how no God can affect Fate.

Well, I know but that's still interpretation mostly. There's still 500-700 chaps left in the story, and since sunny is gonna become spirit of death and fate so he is destined to have more information about the strings of fate, we just need to wait. Using interpretations for scaling that is the last thing to do in my list.

 

[karo_senpaii]

By the time sunny is sacred there would probably not be any fair match up for him on vsb

 

[S33rz]

By the time sunny is sacred there would probably not be any fair match up for him on vsb

He will get put in a lot of stomp matches, in both ways.

 

[karo_senpaii]

He will get put in a lot of stomp matches, in both ways.

Both ways? He'd get 1a hax and can change into almost anything at 1a level. Idk how many people getting around that

 

[S33rz]

Both ways? He'd get 1a hax and can change into almost anything at 1a level. Idk how many people getting around that

There's always a bigger fish.

 

[RaveeCPN]

You guys should add {{Outdated}} template to the pages.