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Shadow Slave: UES and Multipliers

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Hi, This CRT is about Universal Energy System and Powerups on each rank in Shadow Slave verse. For this CRT, I thank @LOTM_Historian and @NITROMonkey1000 and many others who have helped me with the scans and explanations shown in this crt.

In Shadow Slave, the concepts of Soul Core and Essence form the backbone of its energy system. Here's how they correspond to a Universal energy system:
1. Essence as a Multifaceted Energy Source
Soul Essence flows naturally throughout the body, saturating bones and muscles, and is integral to both physical prowess and supernatural abilities. As individuals rank up along the Path of Ascension, the quality of their Soul Essence increases, enhancing all aspects of their being, including strength, speed, durability, perception, and mystical abilities. This demonstrates a direct link between energy progression and overall power, a core trait of universal energy systems.
2. Soul cores as the source of essence:
The Soul Core accumulates and stores vast amounts of Soul Essence, serving as the central point from which a character's power emanates. Both humans and Nightmare Creatures possess soul cores, suggesting a universal energy framework that transcends species
3. Cross-Realm Functionality
The energy system operates seamlessly across different realms, such as the Dream Realm and the Waking World, with essence and soul cores functioning identically in both. Characters(usually transcendent rank or saints) can absorb and utilize spirit essence(cool, flowing energy, similar to Soul Essence but this ambient essence seems to belong to the world) regardless of the realm they are in, indicating a universal applicability of the energy system.
Now, this will be about the rank up and class up powerups;
First of all, there are 7 ranks in shadow slave, Dormant, Awakened, Ascended, Transcendent, Supreme, Sacred, Divine. And in story humans call these ranks as Sleeper, Awakened, Master, Saint, Sovereign, Spirit, (unknown) no one has reached this rank yet so no name for it. So, on every rank their soul cores and soul essence grow more potent. And about soul cores, humans can only form 1 core. But Divine aspect holders (Human whose aspect is ranked at divine rank in potential) can form 7 cores. Nightmare Creatures (Corrupted monsters) can also form multiple soul cores. These 7 cores are named as Beast, Monster, Demon, Devil, Tyrant, Terror, Titan. A character needs 1000 fragments for saturating their beast core. 2000 for monster, 3000 for demon. 4000 for devil, 5000 for tyrant, 6000 for terror, 7000 for titan. So, for humans, just like for Sunless (mc of shadow slave) when he was trying to saturate his beast core, he noticed that he needed 1000 fragments to do it. By each fragment, his physical capabilities were enhanced. And by gaining hundreds of fragments, he noticed a significant change in his physical capabilities. Sunny gets stronger by accumulating fragments - every 1000 fragments grant him a power boost. So, when he gains another 1000, he effectively becomes twice as strong as before. Saturating a monster core grants 3000 fragments (1000 from beast core, 2000 from monster core so 1000 + 2000 = 3000) which means Sunny receives three full boosts, making him three times stronger than someone who hasn’t saturated their core. And till reaching the titan core and saturating it completely, they receive 28000 fragments, so that's 28 times buff.
Shadows and soul flames buff: Sunny's dormant ability allows him to augment himself with his shadows. For Nephis, it's her soul flames. Shadows work as all-rounder stat multipliers. If he wraps 1 shadow around himself, it's a 2× multiplier; if he wraps 4, the multiplier is 5, and if he wraps 7, it's 8×. Nephis's Soul Flames also work the same way.
So, let's discuss rank-up Multipliers:
When Sunny saturated his core enough to create a monster core (1000 fragments) he said he felt like he was augmented by a shadow, and these shadows double his power, so getting a monster core = 2x amp Then later Sunny went through the awakening process, he said it felt like he had received 1000 fragments, which is already said is like a 2x amp. This is further support by him When Sunny first became awakened, he stated that he felt so strong that he thought he was augmented by his shadow., This means Sunny became 4x stronger when he became an Awakened. Gap between a sleeper and an awakened = 4x.
Sunny in the Dreamscape tournament goes against Morgan, who is a top-tier master. Sunny atp has 3 shadows he is using and 3 cores (1000 + 2000 = 3000 / 1000 = 3x amp). This means that overall sunny is 12x the strength of a normal awakened(not to include the fact he has a divine aspect and is overall just a lot stronger than the average awakened) Even with this insane buff sunny still cannot match morgan in any physical thing she does and even ends up getting perception blitzed to the point he only knows what happened after he died. Gap between an Awakened and a Master = 12x, although it can be argued that morgan is a top tier so the gap maybe not that much. So for it this feat should work In this scene Sunny is a demon (3 cores, so 1000+2000 =3,000/1000=3x amp) He has 3 shadows which would amp him 4 times, so 4 x 3 =12x amp
Even with all this, he is barely keeping up with Pierce, who is a low-tier master. From this, we can see that the gap between awakened to master is 12x
Using the same logic as above. Master Sunny in the battle of the black skull arc had 5 cores (hence a 1000+2000+3000+4000 =10,000/1000=10x amp) and twice his regular shadow augmentation, as he was also boosted by Nephis's soul flames, to keep up with Dire Fang. And later in fight sunny mentioned that the buff was around 15 times by saying if he buffed Saint(his echo) then by 15 times buff she should be enough to fight a powerful creature like corrupted titan. This would mean that Sunny atp was 150 times stronger than an average master Gap between a Saint and a Master = 150x
Agree: ActuallySpaceMan42(Agrees with UES, not sure about multipliers), DarkDragonMedeus, FinePoint
Disagree:
 
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2. Soul cores as the source of essence:
The Soul Core accumulates and stores vast amounts of Soul Essence, serving as the central point from which a character's power emanates. Shared Mechanism Across Beings: Both humans and Nightmare Creatures possess soul cores, suggesting a universal energy framework that transcends species
You would need a scan for this, I feel like.
 
Hi, This CRT is about Universal Energy System and Powerups on each rank in Shadow Slave verse. For this CRT, I thank @LOTM_Historian and @NITROMonkey1000 and many others who have helped me with the scans and explanations shown in this crt.

In Shadow Slave, the concepts of Soul Core and Essence form the backbone of its energy system. Here's how they correspond to a Universal energy system:
1. Essence as a Multifaceted Energy Source
Soul Essence flows naturally throughout the body, saturating bones and muscles, and is integral to both physical prowess and supernatural abilities. As individuals rank up along the Path of Ascension, the quality of their Soul Essence increases, enhancing all aspects of their being, including strength, speed, durability, perception, and mystical abilities. This demonstrates a direct link between energy progression and overall power, a core trait of universal energy systems.
2. Soul cores as the source of essence:
The Soul Core accumulates and stores vast amounts of Soul Essence, serving as the central point from which a character's power emanates. Both humans and Nightmare Creatures possess soul cores, suggesting a universal energy framework that transcends species
3. Cross-Realm Functionality
The energy system operates seamlessly across different realms, such as the Dream Realm and the Waking World, with essence and soul cores functioning identically in both. Characters(usually transcendent rank or saints) can absorb and utilize spirit essence(cool, flowing energy, similar to Soul Essence but this ambient essence seems to belong to the world) regardless of the realm they are in, indicating a universal applicability of the energy system.
Now, this will be about the rank up and class up powerups;
First of all, there are 7 ranks in shadow slave, Dormant, Awakened, Ascended, Transcendent, Supreme, Sacred, Divine. And in story humans call these ranks as Sleeper, Awakened, Master, Saint, Sovereign, Spirit, (unknown) no one has reached this rank yet so no name for it. So, on every rank their soul cores and soul essence grow more potent. And about soul cores, humans can only form 1 core. But Divine aspect holders (Human whose aspect is ranked at divine rank in potential) can form 7 cores. Nightmare Creatures (Corrupted monsters) can also form multiple soul cores. These 7 cores are named as Beast, Monster, Demon, Devil, Tyrant, Terror, Titan. A character needs 1000 fragments for saturating their beast core. 2000 for monster, 3000 for demon. 4000 for devil, 5000 for tyrant, 6000 for terror, 7000 for titan. So, for humans, just like for Sunless (mc of shadow slave) when he was trying to saturate his beast core, he noticed that he needed 1000 fragments to do it. By each fragment, his physical capabilities were enhanced. And by gaining hundreds of fragments, he noticed a significant change in his physical capabilities. Sunny gets stronger by accumulating fragments - every 1000 fragments grant him a power boost. So, when he gains another 1000, he effectively becomes twice as strong as before. Saturating a monster core grants 3000 fragments (1000 from beast core, 2000 from monster core so 1000 + 2000 = 3000) which means Sunny receives three full boosts, making him three times stronger than someone who hasn’t saturated their core. And till reaching the titan core and saturating it completely, they receive 28000 fragments, so that's 28 times buff.
Shadows and soul flames buff: Sunny's dormant ability allows him to augment himself with his shadows. For Nephis, it's her soul flames. Shadows work as all-rounder stat multipliers. If he wraps 1 shadow around himself, it's a 2× multiplier; if he wraps 4, the multiplier is 5, and if he wraps 7, it's 8×. Nephis's Soul Flames also work the same way.
So let's discuss rank-up power-ups.
When Sunny first became awakened, he stated that he felt so strong that he thought he was augmented by his shadow. Gap between a sleeper and an awakened = 2x
Sunny in the Dreamscape tournament goes against Morgan, who is a top-tier master. Sunny atp has 3 shadows he is using and 3 cores (1000 + 2000 = 3000 / 1000 = 3x amp). This means that overall sunny is 12x the strength of a normal awakened(not to include the fact he has a divine aspect and is overall just a lot stronger than the average awakened) Even with this insane buff sunny still cannot match morgan in any physical thing she does and even ends up getting perception blitzed to the point he only knows what happened after he died. Gap between an Awakened and a Master = 12x, although it can be argued that morgan is a top tier so the gap maybe not that much. So for it this feat should work In this scene Sunny is a demon (3 cores, so 1000+2000 =3,000/1000=3x amp) He has 3 shadows which would amp him 4 times, so 4 x 3 =12x amp
Even with all this, he is barely keeping up with Pierce, who is a low-tier master. From this, we can see that the gap between awakened to master is 12x
Using the same logic as above. Master Sunny in the battle of the black skull arc had 5 cores (hence a 1000+2000+3000+4000 =10,000/1000=10x amp) and double his regular shadow augmentation, as he was also boosted by Nephis's soul flames, to keep up with Dire Fang. This would mean that Sunny atp was 120 times stronger than an average master Gap between a Saint and a Master = 120x
This lines up with what is shown narratively in the story so I agree with CRT
 
The fact that Sunny couldn't control his newly achieved power when ranking up after becoming Master and Saint, his base should be superior to prime version of his previous self.

For example base Master Sunless > 5x amped Awakened Sunless and base Saint Sunless > 7x amped Master Sunless.

That can support at least what level the difference between ranks is.
 
Sorry for late reply.

Basically, agree with UES part.
I wouldn't word it like that. He got 2x power up for forming a Monster Core. But since Ranking up is something greater than gaining higher Class, yeah difference between ranks 1 and 2 > difference between classes 1 and 2 = 2x.
Sunny gets stronger by accumulating fragments - every 1000 fragments grant him a power boost. So, when he gains another 1000, he effectively becomes twice as strong as before. Saturating a monster core grants 3000 fragments (1000 from beast core, 2000 from monster core so 1000 + 2000 = 3000) which means Sunny receives three full boosts, making him three times stronger than someone who hasn’t saturated their core. And till reaching the titan core and saturating it completely, they receive 28000 fragments, so that's 28 times buff.
I think you need evidence for this method. Probably his statement to Rain "if those fragments were directly in her sould core, she would become 6 times stronger" will work. (chapter 2038)

But that'd be a lowball tbh. With this method we get Demon > 3x monster but Devil > 2x Demon. Which doesn't make sense.

That's because this method doesn't account for "transformation" part of gaining higher Class (Sunny literally got 2x power up by going from 999 to 1000 lol). Knowing that difference between classes and ranks grows exponentially, we can simply say that difference between Devil and Demon is at least 3x due to being higher than difference between Demon and Monster.

Any higher difference should also be treated like that.

So yeah, I think power ups should be higher.
 
Sorry for late reply.

Basically, agree with UES part.

I wouldn't word it like that. He got 2x power up for forming a Monster Core. But since Ranking up is something greater than gaining higher Class, yeah difference between ranks 1 and 2 > difference between classes 1 and 2 = 2x.

I think you need evidence for this method. Probably his statement to Rain "if those fragments were directly in her sould core, she would become 6 times stronger" will work. (chapter 2038)

But that'd be a lowball tbh. With this method we get Demon > 3x monster but Devil > 2x Demon. Which doesn't make sense.

That's because this method doesn't account for "transformation" part of gaining higher Class (Sunny literally got 2x power up by going from 999 to 1000 lol). Knowing that difference between classes and ranks grows exponentially, we can simply say that difference between Devil and Demon is at least 3x due to being higher than difference between Demon and Monster.

Any higher difference should also be treated like that.

So yeah, I think power ups should be higher.

Hi, I am the guy who helped make the multipliers that were used in this CRT so I appreciate the feedback.

I did have a similar thought when I first made these multipliers but while getting the scans I realized that its only a 2x increase. Basically the argument used in this thread is that since the average awakened gets 1000 fragments (which empower them), someone who gets 2000, 3000, 4000 etc would be 2x, 3x, or 4x stronger.

The problem here is Sunny only had 1000 shards, and as such is only equal to another sleeper, its just that he has more essence. With a single shadow he would be 2x stronger than a sleeper, and hence awakening was just a 2x amp not a 4x.

Your second point is interesting. Where did you get the idea that he got a 2x amp from going from 999 fragments to 1000 fragments? Because iirc it was said the increase was minimal because he had already been receiving the buff from the fragments. If you have a scan and can elaborate I would definitely be willing to hear you out on this.

Also I’d like to reinforce that every multiplier in this crt is a lowball. Realistically the multipliers are higher, its just we lack clean feats that can be used to calc them. As you might’ve noticed all the feats I used were scenes of Sunny fighting a higher rank and using the amp he had at the time to say the rank difference was AT least that much. Masters are in truth stronger than just 12 awakened, especially ones like Morgan who no diffed Sunny when he had a 12x amp. saints in general are way above just 150x stronger than masters, especially considering Dire Fang was a low tier saint. However the fact that it is all lowballs and that these characters are baselines who any character can scale above, as such these multipliers are applicable universally for all shadow slave scaling cause anyone can scale to it.
 
I did have a similar thought when I first made these multipliers but while getting the scans I realized that its only a 2x increase. Basically the argument used in this thread is that since the average awakened gets 1000 fragments (which empower them), someone who gets 2000, 3000, 4000 etc would be 2x, 3x, or 4x stronger
IMO adding a scan should still be helpful tho. I can get the one I mentioned if you want.
Your second point is interesting. Where did you get the idea that he got a 2x amp from going from 999 fragments to 1000 fragments? Because iirc it was said the increase was minimal because he had already been receiving the buff from the fragments. If you have a scan and can elaborate I would definitely be willing to hear you out on this.
I just wanted to point out how "transformation" part is significant as after gaining 1000 fragments and forming a new Core, he got 2x stronger compared to himself with 999 fragments but 1 Core (as I said earlier 2x thing wasn't by awakening).
Also I’d like to reinforce that every multiplier in this crt is a lowball. Realistically the multipliers are higher, its just we lack clean feats that can be used to calc them. As you might’ve noticed all the feats I used were scenes of Sunny fighting a higher rank and using the amp he had at the time to say the rank difference was AT least that much. Masters are in truth stronger than just 12 awakened, especially ones like Morgan who no diffed Sunny when he had a 12x amp. saints in general are way above just 150x stronger than masters, especially considering Dire Fang was a low tier saint. However the fact that it is all lowballs and that these characters are baselines who any character can scale above, as such these multipliers are applicable universally for all shadow slave scaling cause anyone can scale to it.
Yeah it's pretty much lowballed but we should change amp between classes as it directly contradicts the narrative. Should be:
Difference between Monster and Beast:
2x (reason in the OP)
Difference between Demon and Monster:
At least 3x (just comes from solely shard difference, likely higher)
Difference between Devil and Demon:
At least 3x (should be higher than previous)
...
Difference between Titan and Terror:
At least 3x (should be higher than previous)
 
IMO adding a scan should still be helpful tho. I can get the one I mentioned if you want.

I just wanted to point out how "transformation" part is significant as after gaining 1000 fragments and forming a new Core, he got 2x stronger compared to himself with 999 fragments but 1 Core (as I said earlier 2x thing wasn't by awakening).

Yeah it's pretty much lowballed but we should change amp between classes as it directly contradicts the narrative. Should be:
Difference between Monster and Beast:
2x (reason in the OP)
Difference between Demon and Monster:
At least 3x (just comes from solely shard difference, likely higher)
Difference between Devil and Demon:
At least 3x (should be higher than previous)
...
Difference between Titan and Terror:
At least 3x (should be higher than previous)
I’d like to discuss this more with you, if you have a discord add me at “verezen”.
Any scans you have for this stuff would be appreciated

As for the class differences I believe it would be hard to get it accepted here unless we have scans to show the difference. Especially considering statements like how Sunny said becoming a titan was inconsequential and the main benefit was the extra shadow which allow him to receive the 8x amp. If becoming a titan was a 7x (the logical extension of your argument) or even a 2x amp, then it surely would be portrayed as a significant increase in power and not just a marginal increase like Sunny claimed it was.
 
I’d like to discuss this more with you, if you have a discord add me at “verezen”.
Any scans you have for this stuff would be appreciated
Sure
As for the class differences I believe it would be hard to get it accepted here unless we have scans to show the difference. Especially considering statements like how Sunny said becoming a titan was inconsequential and the main benefit was the extra shadow which allow him to receive the 8x amp. If becoming a titan was a 7x (the logical extension of your argument) or even a 2x amp, then it surely would be portrayed as a significant increase in power and not just a marginal increase like Sunny claimed it was.
Yeah I hate how G3 was consistently telling about that increase, about how massive is difference between Titan and Terror, then randomly say opposite such as when he became a Titan or for example physical difference between Sovereign and Saint being less than Saint and Master.

Anyway I'm fine with lowball.
 
Yeah I hate how G3 was consistently telling about that increase, about how massive is difference between Titan and Terror, then randomly say opposite such as when he became a Titan or for example physical difference between Sovereign and Saint being less than Saint and Master.
Tbh core difference was not that much important ever since he become a saint. Although yeah, the difference between the physical stats buff between supreme and saint was said to be lesser in comparison to saint and master but it was most likely without the buff they can get from their domains. That is also one of the reason I didn't include Supreme rank powerup in this crt because of how less we know about domains.
 
Tbh core difference was not that much important ever since he become a saint. Although yeah, the difference between the physical stats buff between supreme and saint was said to be lesser in comparison to saint and master but it was most likely without the buff they can get from their domains. That is also one of the reason I didn't include Supreme rank powerup in this crt because of how less we know about domains.
I suppose that statement didn't include for Will component maybe?

Either way, it can't be less than 7x, I can explain later.
 
buff from Domain?
He's relative to Slayer in his base currently.

And when he was fighting Slayer in Shadow Realm as a Saint, even tho he didn't have any Shadows, power boost from surrounding made him stronger than ever (Which is at least 7x amp).

Edit: I'm talking about difference between Sovereign and Saint.
 
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Shouldn't you create this as a verse blog with added Info on the power systems and general ability they get. Seems more logical to me.

But I agree either way.
 
UES seems fine, I'm not good with amps and scaling chains, so I'll abstain from that bit.
Thank you for the confirmation on UES. As for the amps and scaling, no worries, I’ll wait for others to weigh in on that part. Just to clarify for anyone else reading: the multipliers are directly tied to core saturation and shadow augmentation from sunny, which are consistently shown in the story to boost physical stats. The total stacking is additive and supported by Sunny's own statements about how much stronger he gets per threshold. But again, open to further input.
 
Looks good to me, and I think it meets the criteria looking at the explanations.
 
The UES seems fine.

As for the scaling, I'd need to hear from people knowledgeable on the verse to confirm that.

I can say it's rooted in logic at least, but scaling chains/multipliers are extremely susceptible to context.

So: what knowledgeable members have said what regarding that?
 
The UES seems fine.

As for the scaling, I'd need to hear from people knowledgeable on the verse to confirm that.

I can say it's rooted in logic at least, but scaling chains/multipliers are extremely susceptible to context.

So: what knowledgeable members have said what regarding that?
I wouldn't say i know every knowledgeable person on verse who also knows power scaling,but as far as I am concerned, at least 5 knowledgeable people on verse who are also acquainted with power scaling agree to this(including myself). so, unless someone brings explicit contentions,the multipliers are fine thus far
 
The UES seems fine.

As for the scaling, I'd need to hear from people knowledgeable on the verse to confirm that.

I can say it's rooted in logic at least, but scaling chains/multipliers are extremely susceptible to context.

So: what knowledgeable members have said what regarding that?
I think the reasoning of having more fragments = more stronger is well supported in story like(I have not included this scan above) in recent chapters a character is saying that if she is able to gain 6000 fragments then because of it she will get six times buff. Which is also because essence (which is already accepted as UES) is able to make them stronger and so by gaining more fragments they can make their cores larger and store more essence which gradually makes them stronger. And just like this it is consistently shown in story that by gaining more cores they become stronger like here in recent chapters he gained a new core and directly said it increased his raw power and his reserves of essence have grown deeper.
 
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I think the reasoning of having more fragments = more stronger is well supported in story like(I have not included this scan above) in recent chapters a character is saying that if she is able to gain 6000 fragments then because of it she will get six times buff. Which is also because essence (which is already accepted as UES) is able to make them stronger and so by gaining more fragments they can make their cores larger and store more essence which gradually makes them stronger. And just like this it is consistently shown in story that by gaining more cores they become stronger like here in recent chapters he gained a new core and directly said it increased his raw power and his reserves of essence have grown deeper.
I'm generally hesitant to give arbitrary multipliers for something like this, though.

Is there an in-verse confirmation that every 1000 fragments equals an additive 100% multiplier?
 
Is there an in-verse confirmation that every 1000 fragments equals an additive 100% multiplier?
If you mean if there is the difference between the quality of fragments on each core then no, it was never stated or shown that they get any difference in quality. Although when ranking up entire cores are ranked up so by this logic those fragments would also be of higher rank then. Although if you mean if there aren any direct statements on 1000 fragments giving a 100% increase, then no, we only have Rain’s statement on 6000 fragments making her 6x stronger, so it should be enough? this is combined with the logic of someone with divine aspect having several times the amount of fragments that a normal person would (especially when fragments are never implied to dilute or be less of an amp at higher stages) should be enough for this multiplier. Especially when it seems consistent in verse, with nothing really going against it. All the knowledgable members of the verse have also confirmed and agreed to the multipliers in this crt
 
If you mean if there is the difference between the quality of fragments on each core then no, it was never stated or shown that they get any difference in quality. Although when ranking up entire cores are ranked up so by this logic those fragments would also be of higher rank then. Although if you mean if there aren any direct statements on 1000 fragments giving a 100% increase, then no, we only have Rain’s statement on 6000 fragments making her 6x stronger, so it should be enough? this is combined with the logic of someone with divine aspect having several times the amount of fragments that a normal person would (especially when fragments are never implied to dilute or be less of an amp at higher stages) should be enough for this multiplier. Especially when it seems consistent in verse, with nothing really going against it. All the knowledgable members of the verse have also confirmed and agreed to the multipliers in this crt
Well isn't there the possibility then that it's not linear?
 
Well isn't there the possibility then that it's not linear?
Well in verse it's always shown that core saturation is a important part for growing stronger and it wouldn't make sense if this is not consistent for every awakened. Atleast it's not implied in verse that it can be non linear till now.
 
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