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Small and self evident Undertale additions (1 staff needed)

Hello guys, this is my first CRT so i'm sorry if it doesn't match the standards or has something wrong

Frisk and Asriel:​

These abilities are for their final keys

Greater supernatural willpower: their final keys are acepted to have more determination than their previous keys. Determination is already acepted as supernatural willpower

Enhanced Ressurection and soul Regeneration: Frisk can refuse death and undo any damage done to their soul, ressurecting in the past after their souls are restored. Asriel should have this ability due to having equal determination (already acepted on his profile)

Immortality [type 2]: Frisk could survive Asriel's final attack with only 1/10.000.000.000 of their HP left. Asriel should scale to this due to having the same determination level as Frisk).

Save and Heal:​

Conditional healing: Interacting with a Save point restores your HP to the max

This applies to every one who can use the Save system:

• Frisk (all keys)
• Human souls(all keys)
• Chara ( first key and while possesing Frisk)
• Asriel Dreemurr (by his second key)
• Almagamate physiology

Weapon Masters:​

Asgore Dreemurr: Uses a trident to fight and was in the war between humans and monsters. Undyne couldn't hit Asgore even once, until he started to train her

Undyne : Is the leader of the Royal Guard and uses a spear to fight. Was directly trained by Asgore Dreemurr ).

Heat Shenanigans:​

Basically, Frisk has acepted resistance to 9000° F. Meaning that every character able to burn Frisk should upscale from this value

•Boss monsters
•Pyrope
•Tsunderplane
•Vulkin
•Knight knight
•Mr. Sunshine

Agree: ScoutManeater, AyOgUyS, Speedblitzer50, OrangeFR, IDK3465, Mythic381, Monsters_Fight, Lort15, RaikiKurohane99, Lilybitdun, Planck69
Neutral: Lort15 (about Immo2), Planck69 (immo2 and Almagamates conditional healing)
Disagree:
 
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God_of_perversion said:
It isn't regeneration because they aren't losing part of their souls and regrowing it back. Instead, they simply put their souls back together throught their determination, but regeneration is a completely valid interpretation. Their ressurection is already acepted as Low Godly (soul and body)6 isntead of mid godly (they lack feats of regenerating the mind
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It's regeneration it's literally two broken parts are matching and regenerating the broken particles between them, that returns them to their old state similiar to Dio's head regen feat, about Low godly regen if mind regen is not provable for mid godly then fine ig
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God_of_perversion said:
Save and Load is part of the lore (just like any game mechanic in Undertale). One of the bosses downright uses their Saves and Loads to torture us across time lol
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God_of_perversion said:
Nothing that you said disqualifies it for Immo2
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By both the literal definition and the very nature of the power, being capable of dying disqualifies you for Immortality—the power "to simply not die". Frisk dies when the SOUL is destroyed, and the SOUL is destroyed upon the Player losing 100% of the current maximum HP. Frisk can die fighting Asriel, and the only reason they are capable of progressing the fight afterward is because the power of DE-TERMINATION (i.e., the power to reverse death) allows the SOUL to literally "re-fuse" upon being destroyed (i.e., a Resurrection/Regeneration feat), which your post acknowledges directly above the argument for Immortality. Asriel's final attack, evidently, does not inflict fatal damage Frisk because Frisk's HP goes below 1 but does not reach 0 (i.e., death), and Frisk's SOUL is not destroyed; if they were inflicted fatal damage, they would die, like they can do throughout the entire encounter.

The rule of the game is: death equals the SOUL being destroyed equals 0 HP. Even if the rule was: death equals sustaining DMG equal to the player's maximum HP (20), the attack can only deal 19.9999999999 DMG, which, evidently, is not 20—not enough to kill Frisk.
 
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Nullflowerblush said:
By both the literal definition and the very nature of the power, being capable of dying disqualifies you for Immortality—the power "to simply not die". Frisk dies when the SOUL is destroyed, and the SOUL is destroyed upon the Player losing 100% of the current maximum HP. Frisk can die fighting Asriel, and the only reason they are capable of progressing the fight afterward is because the power of DE-TERMINATION (i.e., the power to reverse death) allows the SOUL to literally "re-fuse" upon being destroyed (i.e., a Resurrection/Regeneration feat), which your post acknowledges directly above the argument for Immortality. Asriel's final attack, evidently, does not inflict fatal damage Frisk because Frisk's HP goes below 1 but does not reach 0 (i.e., death), and Frisk's SOUL is not destroyed; if they were inflicted fatal damage, they would die, like they can do throughout the entire encounter.

The rule of the game is: death equals the SOUL being destroyed equals 0 HP. Even if the rule was: death equals sustaining DMG equal to the player's maximum HP (20), the attack can only deal 19.9999999999 DMG, which, evidently, is not 20—not enough to kill Frisk.
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1: chatgpt ass response
2: Frisk being able to die in a earlier point doesn't disprove immo2 later, specialy since they survived Asriel's strongest attack
3: Death does NOT disqualify for immo2. The very page (that you're not quoting) states that Characters with immo2 can die as long as they sustain several severe injuries. You're confusing it for immo5, which actually stops any death (besides erasure)
 
Nullflowerblush said:
By both the literal definition and the very nature of the power, being capable of dying disqualifies you for Immortality—the power "to simply not die". Frisk dies when the SOUL is destroyed, and the SOUL is destroyed upon the Player losing 100% of the current maximum HP. Frisk can die fighting Asriel, and the only reason they are capable of progressing the fight afterward is because the power of DE-TERMINATION (i.e., the power to reverse death) allows the SOUL to literally "re-fuse" upon being destroyed (i.e., a Resurrection/Regeneration feat), which your post acknowledges directly above the argument for Immortality. Asriel's final attack, evidently, does not inflict fatal damage Frisk because Frisk's HP goes below 1 but does not reach 0 (i.e., death), and Frisk's SOUL is not destroyed; if they were inflicted fatal damage, they would die, like they can do throughout the entire encounter.

The rule of the game is: death equals the SOUL being destroyed equals 0 HP. Even if the rule was: death equals sustaining DMG equal to the player's maximum HP (20), the attack can only deal 19.9999999999 DMG, which, evidently, is not 20—not enough to kill Frisk.
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"Characters with this degree of immortality can indefinitely survive injuries that would otherwise be lethal to a normal person, without needing to heal. This type of immortality can have different levels of effectiveness and can be bypassed, for example, by causing extremely severe wounds or the complete destruction of the body or specific parts of it, such as the head, etc."
READ
 
God_of_perversion said:
1: chatgpt ass response
2: Frisk being able to die in a earlier point doesn't disprove immo2 later, specialy since they survived Asriel's strongest attack
3: Death does NOT disqualify for immo2. The very page (that you're not quoting) states that Characters with immo2 can die as long as they sustain several severe injuries. You're confusing it for immo5, which actually stops any death (besides erasure)
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Frisk did not survive fatal damage. Therefore, they are not immortal. Simple as.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Frisk did not survive fatal damage. Therefore, they are not immortal. Simple as.
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1 HP = the lowest amount of health you can have. Any hit after that is a instant kill, suggesting thay 1 HP is already fatal
0 HP = literaly death. Frisk literaly has to revive when their HP reaches zero

So please tell me, how is having 1.10^-8 HP not fatal damage when it is billions of times less HP than the lowest HP you can have normally before dying.
Also, why would Toby Fox choose such a small number if he Didn’t intend it to be a deadly attack?
 
God_of_perversion said:
Any hit after that is a instant kill
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If the hit dealed at least 1 DMG, then yes. 1 minus 1 equals 0. If the hit only deals 0.99999999 DMG, though, Frisk's HP does not reach 0, then they did not suffer fatal damage. Again, we know what happens when Asriel, specifically, deals DMG greater than or to Frisk's current HP, reducing their HP to 0; Frisk dies, the SOUL is destroyed, and then Frisk resurrects through determination, as the SOUL refuses. Asriel's final attack, both functionally and narratively, cannot kill Frisk, cannot inflict fatal damage, and if they are not surviving fatal damage, they don't qualify for Immortality.

Honestly, you'd have a better argument claiming their Resurrection was simply Immortality Type 2 and Regeneration instead.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
If the hit dealed at least 1 DMG, then yes. 1 minus 1 equals 0. If the hit only deals 0.99999999 DMG, though, Frisk's HP does not reach 0, then they did not suffer fatal damage. Again, we know what happens when Asriel, specifically, deals DMG greater than or to Frisk's current HP, reducing their HP to 0; Frisk dies, the SOUL is destroyed, and then Frisk resurrects through determination, as the SOUL refuses. Asriel's final attack, both functionally and narratively, cannot kill Frisk, cannot inflict fatal damage.
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Unsupported argument. It's much more reasonable to assume that Frisk simply tanked those attacks due to their Determination being at its peak than to assume Asriel (who quite literally wanted to win in the end) was somehow dealing the absurd amount of damage you're proposing.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
If the hit dealed at least 1 DMG, then yes. 1 minus 1 equals 0. If the hit only deals 0.99999999 DMG, though, Frisk's HP does not reach 0, then they did not suffer fatal damage. Again, we know what happens when Asriel, specifically, deals DMG greater than or to Frisk's current HP, reducing their HP to 0; Frisk dies, the SOUL is destroyed, and then Frisk resurrects through determination, as the SOUL refuses. Asriel's final attack, both functionally and narratively, cannot kill Frisk, cannot inflict fatal damage, and if they are not surviving fatal damage, they don't qualify for Immortality.

Honestly, you'd have a better argument claiming their Resurrection was simply Immortality Type 2 and Regeneration instead.
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At this point I'm just tired of arguing. Do you disagree with anything else?
 
God_of_perversion said:
I'm gonna rename my tread to "Gow: Five layers of plot hax and 72 layers of law manip"
The staff will come in a minute🙏
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Staff when they see a GOW thread:
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Oh my gah, 66 like Gaster
This thread was going to give Frisk Empathic Manipulation but I completely forgot about it
The justification was going to be: The pink ribbon makes you cuter, making monsters deal less damage to you. This works even on the Genocide route and against enemies like Undyne the undying and the gay knights, who desperately want to kill you
 
Bump
Genuinely how tf is this still going for over a weak. I tought Undertale was a popular verse and the "small and self evident" attracted mods💔
 
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