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Paraconsistent Physiology Checklist

I would go with Type 1 unless the contending forces part is expanded upon. Right now, the logical states are vague and potentially very limited.
Looking further into it, I think that TOAA should probably have something that better describes his nature as simultaneously encapsulating Keter and Thaumiel. Therefore he should have PP Type 2 with 2 truth states: the unity (Both X and Not-X) and the disunity (Neither-X or Not-X). The new explanation should look something like as follows:
  • Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2; The One Above All is simultaneously Thaumiel which is the disunity, it is that which “is split into contending forces … refusing to be as one”, and Keter, the opposite, which is the unity of the forces as one undivided wholeness.)
 
Looking further into it, I think that TOAA should probably have something that better describes his nature as simultaneously encapsulating Keter and Thaumiel. Therefore he should have PP Type 2 with 2 truth states: the unity (Both X and Not-X) and the disunity (Neither-X or Not-X). The new explanation should look something like as follows:
  • Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2; The One Above All is simultaneously Thaumiel which is the disunity, it is that which “is split into contending forces … refusing to be as one”, and Keter, the opposite, which is the unity of the forces as one undivided wholeness.)
This tells us what it is and is not, but does not tell us the number of logical states within that.

For example, Existence & Nonexistence are only one logical state; the same for Yes and No, True and False, etc.

We know TOAA has logical states involving several contending forces, but unless we know what those forces are, the number of logical states is unknown, and Type 2 can only be given when all logical states are involved, not just several.
 
This tells us what it is and is not, but does not tell us the number of logical states within that.

For example, Existence & Nonexistence are only one logical state; the same for Yes and No, True and False, etc.

We know TOAA has logical states involving several contending forces, but unless we know what those forces are, the number of logical states is unknown, and Type 2 can only be given when all logical states are involved, not just several.
Things like true and false are broad and extensive enough to cover basically every possibility and automatically be type 2. Doesnt matter if it looks like its just a single one.

For example
If something is simply true then it would be "X"
If that thing is false then it's "Not-X"

Vice versa you can also say Not-X being the absence of X is true
and X being the presence of Not-X is false

You can replace this "something" with literally anything. This is why it's exhaustive. These opposing states are contingent on them being either true or false.
 
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True and False
I unfollowed this thread because I decided it really wasn't worth it, but I got this pointed out to me, and its absurd
Levels of larp unseen since the persona 5 era
Please do not tell me you genuinely believe that the thing which grounds the sort of logical statements we depend upon for PP (that is, a statement of X being alive being true and false at once, which is what the power actually cares about, the whole X and Not-X deal, which is a more easily attainable proof, due to any form of "statement" which could be made about it as a result being both true and false (or in cases of transcendence, not applicable) by them being X and ~X) do not qualify for PP2 given that they literally govern any and all statements that could be made about a given object without regard for what they are, it is by definition the thing you need to transcend or exhibit both to get PP2
General: Beings which exist beyond the confines of classical logic in general, in a fashion that they may occupy both the value "true and false" or "neither true nor false" regarding any of their properties. This includes characters existing in a nondual state regarding all logical dual systems within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them occupy both or neither state of the dualities in question.
 
Now that every Marvel character and concept that currently has Paraconsistent Physiology has been addressed, here is the final re-cap such that when the relevant profiles are eventually changed all of the necessary information is consolidated in one spot for convenience:

Currently:

1. Marvel's Magic has the current justification as PP Type 2:
2. Marvel Chaos / Hex Magic has the current justification as PP Type 2:
2. Astral Forms in Marvel have the following justification as PP Type 2:
Changes:

1. Magic:

  • The current magic justification needs to be split into two separate items:
    • The first can simply be titled as Magic and consists of how it is normally portrayed in the regular planes. This regular magic would have PP Type 1 with the truth state of (Neither X or Not-X) as described by the In-between part.
    • The second can be titled something like Pure Fundamental Magic which is the kind of magic that makes up the realms of the powerful abstracts like that of Order, Chaos, and The Inbetweener. This pure magic would have PP Type 2 and has the truth states of (Neither X or Not-X) and (Both X and Not-X)
2. Hex Magic:
  • It will remain PP Type 2 for having 2 truth states (Neither X or Not-X) and (Both X and Not-X)
3. Astral Forms:
  • These are PP Type 1 (Neither X or Not-X)
4. The Inbetweener:

Using X as the truth state condition:

First Statement on his profile: This describes him as being Neither X or Not-X.

Second Statement on his profile: This describes him as being Neither X or Not-X.

Third Statement on his profile: This describes him as being Both X and Not-X.

Fourth Statement on his profile: This describes him as being Neither X or Not-X.

So The Inbetweener has PP Type 2 with 2 Truth States: (Neither X or Not-X) and (Both X and Not-X).

5. Galactus:

Using X as the truth state condition:

First Statement on his profile: This describes him as being Just X. Galactus is just Galactus with their not being an opposite to Galactus' concept.

Second Statement on his profile: This describes him as “only Galactus” which of course is Just X. There is only Galactus, the other concepts of the universe have opposites, Galactus does not.

Third Statement on his profile: This describes him as being Just X. This is a direct admission from The Inbetweener that Galactus has no opposite. Galactus is only Galactus and is not part of a dichotomy.

So Galactus has 1 Truth State: X. This is PP Type 1.

6. Higher Entities:
  • All of the Entities from the Multi-Abstract level and above up to The Queen of Nevers will have their PP removed.
  • Transcending or containing an entity that possesses PP is not grounds for PP.
  • Transcending or containing an entity that possesses PP does not grant additional truth states. (For example, an entity Qualitatively superior to a lower entity that has 2 truth states is not granted a third truth state nor are they automatically granted PP at all unless they have demonstrated such.)
  • There is no such thing as "layered PP"
  • Eternity needs to be removed as an example of PP Type 3 from the PP page.
  • While the abstracts are sustained by magic in its purest most fundamental form, they themselves are not made of it.
7. Specific Exceptions for Higher Entities
8. The One Above All
  • TOAA exists in a state where it is the sum of opposite forces. It is both Keter and Thaumiel simultaneously.
  • This grants TOAA PP Type 1 for having 1 truth state of Both X and Not-X,
  • There is not enough information provided to state that Thaumiel on its own qualifies for having the truth state of Neither-X or Not-X or that Keter has the truth state of Both X and Not-X. As such, TOAA does not qualify for PP Type 2 and is instead only has PP Type 1 for being the unity of Keter and Thaumiel which are confirmed opposites.
  • TOAA's justification will look something like as follows: Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 1; The One Above All is simultaneously Thaumiel and Keter, the opposite states of existence, being the unity of both as one undivided wholeness.)

General Paraconsistent Physiology Power Page Clarifications:
  • Transcending a being, place, or concept that has Paraconsistent Physiology, whether quantitatively or even qualitatively, DOES NOT grant said transcendent being, place, or concept additional truth states. In fact, transcending a being, place, or concept with Paraconsistent Physiology does not even automatically grant Paraconsistent Physiology unless there is EXPLICIT evidence of such. For example a verse could have a Low-2C character that has PP Type 1 for being everything and nothing as such having a state where it is Both X and Not-X, a 1A being in that same verse does not suddenly posses PP Type 2 nor do they even get Paraconsistent Physiology at all unless they have their own evidence for the ability.
  • As with the previous point, containing a being, place, or concept as a part of one's internal contents such as part of their being or mind or other such does not automatically grant this overarching being, place, or concept the attributes of said contents, it must have its own evidence for the ability.
  • There is no such thing as "Layered Paraconsistent Physiology." This is self evident even without considering points 1 and 2 which provide further evidence of such. For example say a structure in a verse has infinite levels with each level being above the next, say the first level has a state of being Both X and Not-X, the level above it does not posses some state where it is MORE FUNDAMENTALLY Both X and Not-X than the previous one hence having "layered Paraconsistent Physiology."
  • A being that interacts with another being, place, or concept that has Paraconsistent Physiology of some sort but themself does not have any evidence of Paraconsistent Physiology on their own is granted some form of Non Physical Interaction (NPI) capability, they do not get Paraconsistent Physiology.
 
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General Paraconsistent Physiology Power Page Clarifications:
  • Transcending a being, place, or concept that has Paraconsistent Physiology, whether quantitatively or even qualitatively, DOES NOT grant said transcendent being, place, or concept additional truth states. In fact, transcending a being, place, or concept with Paraconsistent Physiology does not even automatically grant Paraconsistent Physiology unless there is EXPLICIT evidence of such. For example a verse could have a Low-2C character that has PP Type 1 for being everything and nothing as such having a state where it is Both X and Not-X, a 1A being in that same verse does not suddenly posses PP Type 2 nor do they even get Paraconsistent Physiology at all unless they have their own evidence for the ability.
  • As with the previous point, containing a being, place, or concept as a part of one's internal contents such as part of their being or mind or other such does not automatically grant this overarching being, place, or concept the attributes of said contents, it must have its own evidence for the ability.
  • There is no such thing as "Layered Paraconsistent Physiology." This is self evident even without considering points 1 and 2 which provide further evidence of such. For example say a structure in a verse has infinite levels with each level being above the next, say the first level has a state of being Both X and Not-X, the level above it does not posses some state where it is MORE FUNDAMENTALLY Both X and Not-X than the previous one hence having "layered Paraconsistent Physiology."
  • A being that interacts with another being, place, or concept that has Paraconsistent Physiology of some sort but themself does not have any evidence of Paraconsistent Physiology on their own is granted some form of Non Physical Interaction (NPI) capability, they do not get Paraconsistent Physiology.
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