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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Mbpoops said:
Path space should be 5D at the very least, though no one scales to it so
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ive seen the path space's dimensions being thrown around from 12 to 11 and now 5d without any statements of higher dimensions being provided. personally, as far as i know it just seems to be an incorporeal space, which at least gives it 3 spatial axes but time doesnt pass apparently in the PS so it might cap out at 3d
 
Quantumnessmechanics said:
ive seen the path space's dimensions being thrown around from 12 to 11 and now 5d without any statements of higher dimensions being provided. personally, as far as i know it just seems to be an incorporeal space, which at least gives it 3 spatial axes but time doesnt pass apparently in the PS so it might cap out at 3d
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Im pretty sure path space is above reality but in classic hsr fashion they will vaguepost about everything so we have like no info
 
Mbpoops said:
Actually does path space have time?
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Very explicitly not.

Quantumnessmechanics said:
ive seen the path space's dimensions being thrown around from 12 to 11 and now 5d without any statements of higher dimensions being provided. personally, as far as i know it just seems to be an incorporeal space, which at least gives it 3 spatial axes but time doesnt pass apparently in the PS so it might cap out at 3d
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Incorporeal spaces are ones above 4 dimensions.
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
Me and Scoopsie are different people. Myself, I'm confused on your point.

Is it the line about the patch of sky above them? So they're unable to leave the solar system? Like of course there's a barrier. We've known that since Part 1.5.
The only reason people doubt it is because there's a size discrepancy, Hi3 is only solar system sized.
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You replied after I replied to him, so I assumed you were following along. What I'm arguing against is the idea of the barrier being what's responsible for blocking the Aeons/their gaze. Not only is that literally never stated, Vita's monologue directly contradicts it.

PlungingThroughTime said:
Though, even Dr. MEI only knew there was in fact, a Cocoon.
The whole Prometheus convo was 'IF Sa is equal to the Cocoon' - Not to mention 1/10th is talked about as size.

The only reason me and others doubt Marah is because there's genuinely no way she should be able to locate the Cocoon to try and measure it. Any direct viewing or measurements of the Cocoon should also be impossible, as even Senadina, who is close to embrace, isn't recognised by the Cocoon and thus forgets previous moments within its presence.
Locating the Cocoon is explicitly only possible via the power of Finality, which nobody else has seized up until Kevin and Kiana (Sena hasn't even seized it fully). The whole reason that was possible comes down to Elysia and the previous era, infinitesimally small odds.

Not to mention Hoyo's storytelling itself takes into account what characters do / don't know. Many characters are unreliable in the moment and future conversations flesh out a topic.
For example, speaking on Imaginary Singularities. They were first assumed by Tesla and Ein to be Herrscher Cores, which isn't wrong, but later down the line the Cocoon is labelled as the one and only Imaginary Singularity.
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They didn't say Marah personally found the Cocoon or that she herself measured it though? Even Sa, back when she was Vita, remarked about how tremendous its energy was, the that was known to the Venusian researchers even back then, and Marah penned that letter ages later, after Sa had expanded from the Sea's energy and Vita became a proxy and took her old identity. By that point "Vita" was having friendly chats with Senadina in the Cocoon's space. So them merely knowing its energy level is not even remotely as outlandish, especially in world where Mei made an AI that could hack it without ever even meeting it. That was far more ridiculous and she did it.

Yeah, I know all too well about Hoyo's writing. Nothing is ever truly set in stone with this company as they'll even go as far as retconning things with hard evidence and plot buildup. They are still the ones who have to give us new information to supersede the old.

PlungingThroughTime said:
I'll disagree since there were no humans for it to pursue to embrace after the fact, but regardless, the Cocoon has clearly grown in strength since that incident regardless, due to the several transcend dimensions statements existing. Just to be perfectly clear, I'm not comparing their functionalities, just the end-result. No civilisation, Cocoon is no longer an issue. You could just assume the sea stopped the temporal rewind due to having a screwy sense of time, but that's a leap.

Is this when Marah talks about the 'Abyss'? Due to the points above (difficulty locating the Cocoon, Sena's own experiences) it just flat out shouldn't be possible.
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Okay, but I really don't know what's there to even disagree with. Its not like I made up the SoQ Tsunami being responsible, that's literally the explanation they gave and the ONLY explanation we got. Ignoring that in favor of an explanation the game never gives, and doesn't even support doesn't make much sense to me. Civilization being wiped out is par for the course with failed embraces. That prompts a reset, not the Cocoon leaving and never coming back.

The Cocoon was transcendent even a billion years ago and still doesn't control the Sea as of part 1.5, so its stronger isn't true, and or even relevant as it wasn't a power issue. It was a "the Cocoon doesn't control this" issue.
PlungingThroughTime said:
Yeah, that's fair, and I'll agree. It's just that I don't want to jump to a conclusion that the Cocoon is doing something we've never been told it does.
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Funnily enough, that's my gripe with the barrier thing, people jumping to conclusions that it does something we've never been told it does.
 
Quantumnessmechanics said:
how exactly?
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What, as in the mechanics? All 4-dimensional Space-Times are Real Space; that is, ordered spaces which move in one temporal direction due to proper entropy, and because of this, they are corporeal. An Imaginary Space is any space outside of this, which means spaces which are fully chaotic and form no proper physical laws, meaning causality and time becomes defunct here and matter starts dissolving and breaking down.
 
Cassette95 said:
You replied after I replied to him, so I assumed you were following along. What I'm arguing against is the idea of the barrier being what's responsible for blocking the Aeons/their gaze. Not only is that literally never stated, Vita's monologue directly contradicts it.
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Yeah that's fair.
Cassette95 said:
They didn't say Marah personally found the Cocoon or that she herself measured it though? Even Sa, back when she was Vita, remarked about how tremendous its energy was, the that was known to the Venusian researchers even back then, and Marah penned that letter ages later, after Sa had expanded from the Sea's energy and Vita became a proxy and took her old identity. By that point "Vita" was having friendly chats with Senadina in the Cocoon's space. So them merely knowing its energy level is not even remotely as outlandish, especially in world where Mei made an AI that could hack it without ever even meeting it. That was far more ridiculous and she did it.
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Given the Cocoon is beyond time and space, that Vita could've been from any period, even far future or past part 1.5. Regardless, talking about MEI, she never hacked the Cocoon. It's never stated the Cocoon was hacked, just that Prometheus became part of the Imaginary Renormalisation Group. I think it's far more fitting that Prometheus took control of the Imaginary Ending controlling the flow of Honkai Energy to the world, allowing her to impose thought and make Herrschers the same.
Cassette95 said:
Yeah, I know all too well about Hoyo's writing. Nothing is ever truly set in stone with this company as they'll even go as far as retconning things with hard evidence and plot buildup. They are still the ones who have to give us new information to supersede the old.
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Yeah it's just if that new information is reliable, or if it's still playing off of 'X character doesn't know' - Since those statements, they've gone back to Cocoon glaze.
Cassette95 said:
Okay, but I really don't know what's there to even disagree with. Its not like I made up the SoQ Tsunami being responsible, that's literally the explanation they gave and the ONLY explanation we got. Ignoring that in favor of an explanation the game never gives, and doesn't even support doesn't make much sense to me. Civilization being wiped out is par for the course with failed embraces. That prompts a reset, not the Cocoon leaving and never coming back.
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Didn't the Cocoon literally leave Mars after civilisation came to a standstill?
Cassette95 said:
The Cocoon was transcendent even a billion years ago and still doesn't control the Sea as of part 1.5, so its stronger isn't true, and or even relevant as it wasn't a power issue. It was a "the Cocoon doesn't control this" issue.
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Kiana was still posited as the bubble world solver as she transcends it and all dimensions.
Cassette95 said:
Funnily enough, that's my gripe with the barrier thing, people jumping to conclusions that it does something we've never been told it does.
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Yeah there's just a huge gap in things right now.
 
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