Percival (4 Knight of the apocalypse) upgrade : Abstract existence type 1, immortality type 8 and regeneration Low-Goldy

[192xyz]

First,
Percival was not affected by the fact that he could no longer speak or breath. This shocked Chion, who wondered how Percival was able to breath
So Percival has Self-Sustenance type 1: Respiratory Self-Sustenance

Then,
Percival was able to restore Chion's mummified arm, knowing that even Tristan wasn’t able to heal Chion’s arm despite that he has a good level of regeneation and healing.

Another fact that proves that Percival's regeneration > Tristan : Lancelot saying that Percival could still handle Pellegarde's attack (Chaos Form) with his insane regeneration of life spirit and he doesn't even mention Tristan
(The one who had his bones and his flesh pulverized by Pellgarde (Chaos Form)).
Also, he has the power of eternal return-the endless cycle of life and death.
So Percival has Low-Goldy regeneration at least.

Finally,
Percival is the concept of life and death
because he provides the essence of life to all living beings in the universe of 7ds/4koa and he has the power of eternal return (life and death are therefore linked and Percival (life spirit) embodies an abstraction (type 1) wich gives the other types of immortality to the human named Percival)
Also, Percival (the life spirit) doesn’t have a physical body and he is one of beings who have no true physical form (Though they may have physical avatars or bodies, but their true essence exists non-physically, whether as a soul, as energy, or as an abstract concept)…
In fact, life spirits provide the essence of life and are the font of energy that raises all living being in the universe of 7ds/4koa…


Thank you to have reading my CRT

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[192xyz]

Bump

 

[Estarossa0z]

 

[192xyz]

What do you think of my CRT ?
Also, can you check my other CRT : https://vsbattles.com/threads/crt-p...istence-type-1-spiritual-nonexistence.192955/
Please and thank you in advance

 

[CJunitilarian]

Percival is the concept of life and death
because he provides the essence of life to all living beings in the universe of 7ds/4koa and he has the power of eternal return (life and death are therefore linked and Percival embodies these 2 concepts)

The rest seems fine but a bit iffy about this
what are you tryna state
Conceptual Manipulation?

 

[192xyz]

The rest seems fine but a bit iffy about this
what are you tryna state
Conceptual Manipulation?

He is life and death itself

 

[192xyz]

The rest seems fine but a bit iffy about this
what are you tryna state
Conceptual Manipulation?

Also I have posted another CRT about Percival : https://vsbattles.com/threads/crt-p...istence-type-1-spiritual-nonexistence.192955/

 

[CJunitilarian]

He is life and death itself

So Life Manipulation then

 

[karo_senpaii]

First,
Percival was not affected by the fact that he could no longer speak or breath. This shocked Chion, who wondered how Percival was able to breath
So Percival has Self-Sustenance type 1: Respiratory Self-Sustenance

This is fine

Then,
Percival was able to restore Chion's mummified arm, knowing that even Tristan wasn’t able to heal Chion’s arm despite that he has a Low-Godly level of regeneration.

Healing ≠ regen. That aside he would just have "healing on his profile"

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Another fact that proves that Percival's regeneration > Tristan : Lancelot saying that Percival could still handle Pellegarde's attack (Chaos Form) with his insane regeneration of life spirit and he doesn't even mention Tristan
(The one who had his bones and his flesh pulverized by Pellgarde (Chaos Form)).
So Percival has Low-Goldy regeneration at least.

Tristan does not have low godly regen. He has mid for high ranking demons so Percival gets mid I guess

Finally,
Percival is the concept of life and death
because he provides the essence of life to all living beings in the universe of 7ds/4koa and he has the power of eternal return (life and death are therefore linked and Percival embodies these 2 concepts)
Thank you to have reading my CRT

Idk about this. Nothing about it seems conceptual in nature

 

[192xyz]

So Life Manipulation then

He already has it so I think conceptual manipulation type 2 would be correct
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Also, I think he has abstract existence type 1
because he doesn’t have a true physical form and the <<human>> Percival is a dead body who is controlled by a life spirit

 

[CJunitilarian]

He already has it so I think conceptual manipulation type 2 would be correct

There is nothing conceptual about that btw

Life manipulation at best imo

Also, I think he has abstract existence type 1
because he doesn’t have a true physical form and the <<human>> Percival is a dead body who is controlled by a life spirit

Pretty sure this would be incorporeal tbh

 

[192xyz]

There is nothing conceptual about that btw

Life manipulation at best imo

Pretty sure this would be incorporeal tbh

In my opinion abstract existence type 2 would be good since it’s needed to affect the life spirit to beat Percival.
Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it.
And for the concept of life and death, King says
that spirits provide the essence of all things and for the life spirits he says that they can be found everywere there is life (we also know that life spirits are all part of a greater being and that Percival can sense life spirits since they are everywhere there is life (He was literally able to know what had happened between Belltreipe and Gowther when after waking up he had never seen them).
Finally, Belltreipe says that Percival is death himself, Gareth says that the scent of death is all over Percival and even Dubs says that Percival has the power of the of ethernal return-the endless cycle of life and death.
In my opinion it’s not just a life and death manipulation but he is a conceptual abstractions with a conceptual manipulation type 2 and a conceptual destruction (Percival can kill the life force of anyone and their magic force (it’s linked to life force)) and conceptual alteration (Percival can restore the life force he has kill)

 

[CJunitilarian]

In my opinion abstract existence type 2 would be good since it’s needed to affect the life spirit to beat Percival.
Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it.

Percival does not embody the life spirit man, he's literally one
The regen aspect which i might go as far as to term resurrection is due to having life manipulation hence life spirits can manipulate the "life energy" around them and regenerate

And for the concept of life and death, King says
that spirits provide the essence of all things and for the life spirits he says that they can be found everywere there is life (we also know that life spirits are all part of a greater being and that Percival can sense life spirits since they are everywhere there is life (He was literally able to know what had happened between Belltreipe and Gowther when after waking up he had never seen them).

Finally, Belltreipe says that Percival is death himself,

the he is death himself statement is as a result of him rejecting death (resurrection)

Gareth says that the scent of death is all over Percival

I mean a life spirit who can control life should also be able to induce death by manipulating said life

and even Dubs says that Percival has the power of the of ethernal return-the endless cycle of life and death.
In my opinion it’s not just a life and death manipulation but he is a conceptual abstractions with a conceptual manipulation type 2 and a conceptual destruction (Percival can kill the life force of anyone and their magic force (it’s linked to life force)) and conceptual alteration (Percival can restore the life force he has kill)

Nothing conceptual about regen/resurection due to life manipulation

 

[192xyz]

Percival does not embody the life spirit man, he's literally one
The regen aspect which i might go as far as to term resurrection is due to having life manipulation hence life spirits can manipulate the "life energy" around them and regenerate


the he is death himself statement is as a result of him rejecting death (resurrection)

I mean a life spirit who can control life should also be able to induce death by manipulating said life

Nothing conceptual about regen/resurection due to life manipulation

He is part of a greater being so he is connected with the other life spirits (all of them are part of this <<greater being>>
I understand what you said about their is <<nothing conceptual>> but for abstract existence I think it’s legitimate to say that he has it since you need to kill the life spirit to kill Percival (The human and his mind who are controlled by the life Spirit (all the immortality is given by that same life spirit)).

 

[CJunitilarian]

He is part of a greater being so he is connected with the other life spirits (all of them are part of this <<greater being>>
I understand what you said about their is <<nothing conceptual>> but for abstract existence I think it’s legitimate to say that he has it since you need to kill the life spirit to kill Percival (The human and his mind who are controlled by the life Spirit (all the immortality is given by that same life spirit)).

mmm fairs ig
But i can't agree
something sounds wrong about that

 

[CJunitilarian]

mmm fairs ig
But i can't agree
something sounds wrong about that

aha what sounded wrong was that all life spirits are the same and just multiplied
they are not different beings
and the greater being would just get greater life manip or somm

 

[192xyz]

aha what sounded wrong was that all life spirits are the same and just multiplied
they are not different beings
and the greater being would just get greater life manip or somm

So do you agree with the abstarct existence type 2 ?

 

[speedster352]

We need some staff to see this.

 

[192xyz]

We need some staff to see this.

Thank you for commenting and yes you are right

 

[192xyz]

Bump

 

[CJunitilarian]

So do you agree with the abstarct existence type 2 ?

Neutral more leading to disagree
Cause it's one being split off into multiple which are still one

 

[192xyz]

Neutral more leading to disagree
Cause it's one being split off into multiple which are still one

I understand but the fact that they are all part of the same being and so there are connected to each other…
So I will wait and see what the staff’s members tell me

 

[CJunitilarian]

I understand but the fact that they are all part of the same being and so there are connected to each other…
So I will wait and see what the staff’s members tell me

More of being the same being which just split into multpile ones
Hence nothing abstract

 

[192xyz]

More of being the same being which just split into multpile ones
Hence nothing abstract

In my opinion it’s an abstract existence type 2 because the life spirtit need to be affected to kill permanently the human named Percival and his mind…
And yet the life spirit can have emotions, feel pain and can be hurt because he controll the mind of the human named Percival…

 

[CJunitilarian]

In my opinion it’s an abstract existence type 2 because the life spirtit need to be affected to kill permanently the human named Percival and his mind…
And yet the life spirit can have emotions, feel pain and can be hurt because he controll the mind of the human named Percival…

having emotions is redherring from the point (and also amps my argument of spirit acting like a soul)
anyways spoken on this

Percival does not embody the life spirit man, he's literally one
The regen aspect which i might go as far as to term resurrection is due to having life manipulation hence life spirits can manipulate the "life energy" around them and regenerate

I mean a life spirit who can control life should also be able to induce death by manipulating said life

Nothing conceptual about regen/resurection due to life manipulation

pretty sure regen/resurrection neg would affect them
and wait doesn't Gareth's sword function as regen neg? since it affects the soul directly?

 

[192xyz]

having emotions is redherring from the point (and also amps my argument of spirit acting like a soul)
anyways spoken on this

The thing is that he got emotions is because he entered the consciousness of the human named Percival and he was raised by so much love

 

[192xyz]

pretty sure regen/resurrection neg would affect them
and wait doesn't Gareth's sword function as regen neg? since it affects the soul directly?

It’s a soul manipulation because the soul is detached from the physical body and the thing is that Percival possess the power of ethernal return-the endless cycle of life and death and that’s why I think you need to erase the concept of Life and Death to kill the Life Spirit inside Percival

 

[CJunitilarian]

The thing is that he got emotions is because he entered the consciousness of the human named Percival and he was raised by so much love

Well no new points added
so i feel like we should just summarize our points (note that i'm not against upscales but the verse has had enough downgrades) below so it'll be easier for staff to read?

 

[CJunitilarian]

It’s a soul manipulation because the soul is detached from the physical body and the thing is that Percival possess the power of ethernal return-the endless cycle of life and death and that’s why I think you need to erase the concept of Life and Death to kill the Life Spirit inside Percival

spoken on this already..
Regen part
anyways just drop a summary i'll drop mine then i'll go bother some staffs on their message walls

 

[192xyz]

Well no new points added
so i feel like we should just summarize our points (note that i'm not against upscales but the verse has had enough downgrades) below so it'll be easier for staff to read?

To summary :
Percival has no soul so he is immune to the manipulation of the soul except that he has a tail of the soul (link between the physical body and the soul of a character) so there is a nature of nothingness, namely the 2 for the para consistency physiology of neither <<not having a soul>> nor <<having a soul>>, or the 3 of the fact that he has no soul while he has a characteristic of the characters who have a soul (tail of the soul)...

We should also make a CRT on Elizabeh and her new transformation <<Perfect Time>> and I think we could assume that Elizabeth in her original body could use power without time limit

 

[CJunitilarian]

To summary :
Percival has no soul so he is immune to the manipulation of the soul except that he has a tail of the soul (link between the physical body and the soul of a character) so there is a nature of nothingness, namely the 2 for the para consistency physiology of neither <<not having a soul>> nor <<having a soul>>, or the 3 of the fact that he has no soul while he has a characteristic of the characters who have a soul (tail of the soul)...

We should also make a CRT on Elizabeh and her new transformation <<Perfect Time>> and I think we could assume that Elizabeth in her original body could use power without time limit

wait bro
this thread is about conceptual manip for percy

 

[192xyz]

wait bro
this thread is about conceptual manip for percy

My bad,
I made a summary of the other CRT because we also talked about Gareth...
Summary:
Percival is a Life Spirit and therefore the source of energy that feeds living beings and gives them their essence (spiritual and physical)

He is able to reject death or death itself according to Belltreipe...

Their mission is to spread life from the hope of living beings and death from their despair...

Life Spirits are present everywhere, since it is found in each of the living beings in all the existing worlds of the 7ds/4koa universe...

Note that Life Spirits are all part of a greater being, so they have its properties and they are all connected to each other thanks to it

Finally, to kill the human named Percival and his consciousness, it is necessary to affect the spirit of life so the abstract existence of type 2 because the Life Spirit that controls consciousness and the body of the human named Perceval can feel pain, have emotions, breathe, eat, sleep and etc.

 

[CJunitilarian]

Summary:

• Percival is a life spirit that is the source of energy for all living beings and can heal, regen and resurrect by manipulating life
• His "rejection" of death and life is by manipulating life force in beings
• Life spirits are parts of the same being which just split off into numerous "life spirits"
• Them being connected to the greater being is just to show that the greater being has a greater potency of their abilities
• To kill a life spirit is somehow impossible because they'll just manipulate the life energy in the attack or the being or on themselves to heal, regen or resurrect themselves like they do for others

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

First,
Percival was not affected by the fact that he could no longer speak or breath. This shocked Chion, who wondered how Percival was able to breath
So Percival has Self-Sustenance type 1: Respiratory Self-Sustenance

This seems fine.

Then,
Percival was able to restore Chion's mummified arm, knowing that even Tristan wasn’t able to heal Chion’s arm despite that he has a Low-Godly level of regeneration.

This is Purification/Curse Removal I suppose.

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Another fact that proves that Percival's regeneration > Tristan : Lancelot saying that Percival could still handle Pellegarde's attack (Chaos Form) with his insane regeneration of life spirit and he doesn't even mention Tristan
(The one who had his bones and his flesh pulverized by Pellgarde (Chaos Form)).
So Percival has Low-Goldy regeneration at least.

If Tristian is accepted to have Low Godly Regeneration on his profile, I don't see a problem from a glance. Otherwise I'll have to disagree here.

Finally,
Percival is the concept of life and death
because he provides the essence of life to all living beings in the universe of 7ds/4koa and he has the power of eternal return (life and death are therefore linked and Percival embodies these 2 concepts)
Thank you to have reading my CRT

This should be Abstract Existence (Type 1).

 

[192xyz]

This seems fine.

This is Purification/Curse Removal I suppose.

If Tristian is accepted to have Low Godly Regeneration on his profile, I don't see a problem from a glance. Otherwise I'll have to disagree here.

This should be Abstract Existence (Type 1).

Thank you very much for your answer and in relation to regeneration, I think I can argue Low-Goldy regeneration by using immortality type 4, given that it is said by Dubs that Percival possesses the power of eternal return-the endless cycle of life and death

 

[192xyz]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

@Elizhaa @Damage3245

Are either of you willing to help out here please?

 

[CJunitilarian]

This should be Abstract Existence (Type 1).

But the abstract existence part is stemming from the fact that all life spirits which are parts of a greater being (they aren't different existences, just the same) and heal, regen, resurrect and what not by manipulating life

 

[CJunitilarian]

Bump Cuz

 

[192xyz]

Bump (Staff members vote needed)