Void Hunter 2.0 BREAK THE SKY!! (Shunguang vs Takako) 3-0-0

[GodEarh206]

Ye Shunguang vs Takako Uro
Rule:
• SBA was applied
• Shunguang in her "White Haired Form"
• Distance is 20m
• Battle took in Tokyo
• Speed was Equalized
• Takako has prior knowledge about Shunguang Spatial Cutting

Xiaoguang: @Kisaragi_Megumi, @Hizack123, @Mbpoops
Break The Sky:
Makima Solos Both (Incon):

 

[BiggestOpp]

YSG just danmaku diffs

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

wait, what's YSG's answer to the stat difference?

 

[Hizack123]

YSG just danmaku diffs

Idk, Uro is a tier stronger than Ye Shunguang, can probably return to sender most of Ye Shunguang's range attacks depends on whatever you think her white hair mode's danmaku have the same space manipulation as her big slash or not. (Which I think swords danmaku should have after she goes white hair)

Ye does have x34 speed amp tho.

But Uro also have domain......

 

[Hizack123]

wait, what's YSG's answer to the stat difference?

Can ignore def, danmaku, space manipulation, and x34 speed amp via vital view.

 

[BiggestOpp]

wait, what's YSG's answer to the stat difference?

I don’t agree with the space manip so I’m not gonna use that.
I think the sheer number of attacks is just going to overwhelm her. Sky manipulation can only do so much.

Idk, Uro is a tier stronger than Ye Shunguang, can probably return to sender most of Ye Shunguang's range attacks depends on whatever you think her white hair mode's danmaku have the same space manipulation as her big slash or not. (Which I think swords danmaku should have after she goes white hair)

She can control all of her blades, so I doubt them being redirected is a problem.
I think the sheer volume of attacks is too much for her to redirect at once and continuously.

Ye does have x34 speed amp tho.

But Uro also have domain......

YSG is not getting hit by domain. She just camps in the sky and spam swords.

 

[Hizack123]

I don’t agree with the space manip so I’m not gonna use that.
I think the sheer number of attacks is just going to overwhelm her. Sky manipulation can only do so much.

She can control all of her blades, so I doubt them being redirected is a problem.
I think the sheer volume of attacks is too much for her to redirect at once and continuously.

YSG is not getting hit by domain. She just camps in the sky and spam swords.

Fair enough.

Uro also have flight but I don't think it gonna help when she's under suppressive fire, I guess.

 

[Sooshirohl]

busy rn but followng, will respond to this later

will just say that i feel like sky manip is being a bit undersold for uro, but i do agree that domain probably shouldn't be an issue off of shungus' range and if uro tries going for it shunguang is probably just going to pincushion her while she's in burnout

 

[Sooshirohl]

also idk if we should be making JJK matchups right now given the entire verse is apparently under revision for it's stats

 

[GodEarh206]

also idk if we should be making JJK matchups right now given the entire verse is apparently under revision for it's stats

I don't think it will change much, at most Uro will be downgraded to 7-C and she will still have Dura Neg and Sky Manip.

 

[AThe1412]

I don't think it will change much, at most Uro will be downgraded to 7-C and she will still have Dura Neg and Sky Manip.

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No, she probably won't.

 

[Hizack123]

Oh ok

Ye Shunguang than, 7/10

 

[AthelChan]

shungus running through a bunch of gauntlets rn.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

But Uro also have domain......

Her Domain is pretty much unknown so it's not an valid advantage for her at all

But anyway Shungus take this relatively based on what everyone has said about her, so voting her FRA

 

[LaserPrecision]

Yeah, I don't think Danamku is overwhelming Sky Manipulation at all. Ignoring the fact it can completely wrap around her whole body to cover fire from all sides, she can manipulate pieces of sky the size of buildings:

Not that I think that matters when she can cover herself with even as much as this:

She covered herself with far less when caught off guard by Ryu's Granite Blast which decimated an entire city block and was completely unscathed despite being directly in the line of fire:

She'll keep redirecting her danmaku until Shunguang sees it's completely ineffective (Regardless of if you want to argue she can redirect her danmaku back into her or not as she wouldn't be able to hurt her). Thus she'll need to close the gap to try and take it into close quarters, which is dangerous given the stat gap.

I don't care if you wanna vote Shunguang, but don't just say "Danmaku gg" and leave it at that. Try to delve in a little further so the thread doesn't end in a 1-3 page FRA train in 2 days and closed.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah, I don't think Danamku is overwhelming Sky Manipulation at all. Ignoring the fact it can completely wrap around her whole body to cover fire from all sides, she can manipulate pieces of sky the size of buildings:

Not that I think that matters when she can cover herself with even as much as this:

She covered herself with far less when caught off guard by Ryu's Granite Blast which decimated an entire city block and was completely unscathed despite being directly in the line of fire:

She'll keep redirecting her danmaku until Shunguang sees it's completely ineffective (Regardless of if you want to argue she can redirect her danmaku back into her or not as she wouldn't be able to hurt her). Thus she'll need to close the gap to try and take it into close quarters, which is dangerous given the stat gap.

Okay but tbh even without the danmaku things, Qingming Sword should be able to bypassing Uro's sky manipulation due of it's spatial property so that's one big thing that Uro really need to avoid or else she getting the taste of Sukuna deliver to her but it's with Chinese dementia fungus girl instead

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I don't care if you wanna vote Shunguang, but don't just say "Danmaku gg" and leave it at that. Try to delve in a little further so the thread doesn't end in a 1-3 page FRA train in 2 days and closed.

It might be just me but you sound pissed off with this comment lel

 

[LaserPrecision]

It might be just me but you sound pissed off with this comment lel

If it came off that way mb. It was just me being blunt but I wasn't pissed.

Okay but tbh even without the danmaku things, Qingming Sword should be able to bypassing Uro's sky manipulation due of it's spatial property so that's one big thing that Uro really need to avoid or else she getting the taste of Sukuna deliver to her but it's with Chinese dementia fungus girl instead

I forget about the space cutting ability. Idk why making a match-up with someone who relies on spatial manip for their arsenal going up against a space cutter (without being aware of it at that) is a good idea. I mean she'll think it's a normal slash, try to block it with sky manip but just get cut in half. Only way she wouldn't is if it has some obvious tell that it cuts space.

 

[Sooshirohl]

pretty much agree with everything laser said about sky manip. also not sure how much we wanna take the anime into account since it has a tendency to upscale characters pretty heavily but uro was straight up manipulating entire city blocks with sky manip. i don't think danmaku is gonna be an issue for her at all

on the contrary though, i think it's gonna be tricky for uro to actually land a clean hit on shunguang with how mobile she is. redirecting shunguang's swords will help her to avoid having to deal with them but considering shunguang can control her swords like opp said it isn't going to really help her actually deal damage.

only way i can really see uro damaging shunguang is with either TIB or domain. TIB is a melee attack so landing it on shunguang is obviously going to be really hard. she could maybe try catching her off guard like she did with yuta but considering shunguang has both enhanced senses and extrasensory perception idk how likely that is. even if she gets within range to land a TIB if shunguang reacts fast enough she can just evade and trigger vital view.

domain could maybe catch shunguang off guard, but the aforementioned range/mobility of shunguang would be an issue, and in the event that she misses her domain she's basically just setting herself up to getting pincushioned or oneshot with a spatial attack.

speaking of which, yeah like laser said if uro tries clashing against shunguang's spatial attacks with sky manip she's just going to die. shunguang getting to activate vital view would also just set uro up to getting killed immediately. i'm also not sure how spatial attacks interact with domains but it's entirely possible shunguang could just break open uro's domain from inside if she gets caught, or she straight up might even be able to clash with it given the qingming sword can essentially make it's own psuedo-domain

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

If it came off that way mb. It was just me being blunt but I wasn't pissed.

I forget about the space cutting ability. Idk why making a match-up with someone who relies on spatial manip for their arsenal going up against a space cutter (without being aware of it at that) is a good idea. I mean she'll think it's a normal slash, try to block it with sky manip but just get cut in half. Only way she wouldn't is if it has some obvious tell that it cuts space.

Considering how much the sky manipulation can cover the entire city, I think she can still able to dodge it
The scenario will be like this: Shungus using danmaku > Uro using the sky manipulation to directing the entire danmaku that covering majority of the buildings that surround her > noticed it, Shungus using the Qingming Sword's spatial slash > it bypassed the sky manipulation but since the area that sky manipulation covered are big enough, Uro has a time to dodge it > the rest are Uro trying to figuring out to countering Qingming Sword

 

[Sooshirohl]

Considering how much the sky manipulation can cover the entire city, I think she can still able to dodge it
The scenario will be like this: Shungus using danmaku > Uro using the sky manipulation to directing the entire danmaku that covering majority of the buildings that surround her > noticed it, Shungus using the Qingming Sword's spatial slash > it bypassed the sky manipulation but since the area that sky manipulation covered are big enough, Uro has a time to dodge it > the rest are Uro trying to figuring out to countering Qingming Sword

i mean the issue is that uro has no knowledge of shunguang's spatial manipulation. she's essentially just going to be used to blocking all of her attacks with sky manip and if she sees her charging up an attack she has no reason to assume it's going to be spatial based, like laser said. the second she tries blocking with sky manip she's just going to get sliced in half

 

[Hizack123]

Yeah still Ye 7/10

8-9 if you accept her white haired mode danmaku have space cutting power (she should since she is using Qingming sword power to create these swords)

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

i mean the issue is that uro has no knowledge of shunguang's spatial manipulation. she's essentially just going to be used to blocking all of her attacks with sky manip and if she sees her charging up an attack she has no reason to assume it's going to be spatial based, like laser said. the second she tries blocking with sky manip she's just going to get sliced in half

Uro isn't that stupid, she should be able to know that Qingming Sword isn't just an powerful blade with fancy slash effect
and again, the area that sky manipulation covered is really large, which Qingming Sword shouldn't be able to cover most of the sky that got turned into fabric by Uro, like this example:

 

[Sooshirohl]

Uro isn't that stupid, she should be able to know that Qingming Sword isn't just an powerful blade with fancy slash effect

i'm not saying uro is stupid, but i don't see how she's supposed to deduce the qingming sword has spatial attacks just off of some "fancy effects." like there isn't any clear indication that the sword can do that and she wouldn't even have any reason to think that it could.

if i'm fighting against an opponent who's primary method of fighting revolves around raining down swords at me (something i can counter with my technique), i'd have no reason to assume that she could suddenly just pull out a space cutting attack out of nowhere.

uro's whole thing is countering and redirecting attacks with sky manipulation. again, she wouldn't have any reason to assume an attack from shunguang would be able to just cut through it. if she tries doing that against shunguang she's just gonna end up bisected

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

i'm not saying uro is stupid, but i don't see how she's supposed to deduce the qingming sword has spatial attacks just off of some "fancy effects." like there isn't any clear indication that the sword can do that and she wouldn't even have any reason to think that it could.

if i'm fighting against an opponent who's primary method of fighting revolves around raining down swords at me (something i can counter with my technique), i'd have no reason to assume that she could suddenly just pull out a space cutting attack out of nowhere.

That's because you seems ignoring the image example that I shows you about how large the sky manipulation can get to cover the surrounding

 

[GodEarh206]

Bump

 

[Sooshirohl]

That's because you seems ignoring the image example that I shows you about how large the sky manipulation can get to cover the surrounding

i'm not ignoring sky manip's range, i was literally arguing in favor of it and how it'd protect uro against the danmaku

pretty much agree with everything laser said about sky manip. also not sure how much we wanna take the anime into account since it has a tendency to upscale characters pretty heavily but uro was straight up manipulating entire city blocks with sky manip. i don't think danmaku is gonna be an issue for her at all

but the size of the sky manip doesn't matter. a massive brick wall isn't going to stop a cannonball from blowing straight through it. spatial slashes are going to tear through sky manip no matter how much area uro covers, it's not gonna be able to redirect the trajectory of the attack or anything like that

i hope these drawings get what i'm trying to say across. yes, uro can cover herself entirely with sky manip, yes she can manipulate a massive amount of space with it, but a space cutting slash is still a space cutting slash. it's getting through regardless and no amount of sky manip is going to protect her from getting cut in half

 

[Sooshirohl]

also just realized i haven't properly cast a vote yet, but yeah put me in for a shunguang vote for my aforementioned reasons

 

[AthelChan]

i'm not ignoring sky manip's range, i was literally arguing in favor of it and how it'd protect uro against the danmaku



but the size of the sky manip doesn't matter. a massive brick wall isn't going to stop a cannonball from blowing straight through it. spatial slashes are going to tear through sky manip no matter how much area uro covers, it's not gonna be able to redirect the trajectory of the attack or anything like that

i hope these drawings get what i'm trying to say across. yes, uro can cover herself entirely with sky manip, yes she can manipulate a massive amount of space with it, but a space cutting slash is still a space cutting slash. it's getting through regardless and no amount of sky manip is going to protect her from getting cut in half

10/10 drawing

 

[LaserPrecision]

Personally I'd recommend giving Uro prior knowledge on her space cutting attack. Her entire fighting style revolves around manipulating space, so she sort of dooms herself with that.

 

[Mbpoops]

Yeshunguang fra

 

[Sooshirohl]

10/10 drawing

thank you i worked really hard on it

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

i'm not ignoring sky manip's range, i was literally arguing in favor of it and how it'd protect uro against the danmaku



but the size of the sky manip doesn't matter. a massive brick wall isn't going to stop a cannonball from blowing straight through it. spatial slashes are going to tear through sky manip no matter how much area uro covers, it's not gonna be able to redirect the trajectory of the attack or anything like that

i hope these drawings get what i'm trying to say across. yes, uro can cover herself entirely with sky manip, yes she can manipulate a massive amount of space with it, but a space cutting slash is still a space cutting slash. it's getting through regardless and no amount of sky manip is going to protect her from getting cut in half

Unironically that's what I always thought, I just wanna give Uro some arguments that can give her a edge due of how good her sky manipulation is
Tho I wanna give a context on why I arguing about the sky folding size: I arguing the size of her sky folding was because this is what popped up on my mind: Shungus danmaku spam > Uro directing all of the danmaku with her sky fold that covering the entire landscape on her surrounding > Shungus using Qingming Sword to bypass the fold > due of how big her sky fold is, Uro have a slight second to be able to dodge and vice versa (Uro noticed her sky got slashed despite it's a spatial manipulation, and figuring out that Qingming Sword is the same but for pure offense)

But then I realize, Shungus can just use that sky splitting space slash in her white mode so...... This scenario felt flat in the end lmfao