Killer B and kcm1 naruto speed upgrade

[Aytugsss]

This thread contains 2 attack
First one is Killer B's bijuu bomb and the second one is Kcm 1 Naruto's rasenshuriken.

Using a Bijuu Bomb, Killer B was able to launch attacks at the same speed as two FTL attacks.

First one is İtachi's Yasaka Magatama.
When Nagato used his chibaku tensei, İtachi said they need to use their strongest long range attack at the core simultaneously and they launched their attacks at the same time.
At this time bijuu bomb and rasenshuriken goes at the same speed as itachis attack.
Thats feat alone wont be enough but we have one more feat.

Second one is kurama amped mifunes issen, temari and hyuga clan attack.
When Naruto share Kuramas chakra to shinobi allience, both Temari's, Hyuga clans attacks and Killer B's bijuu bomb moves and hit at the same speed as mifunes issen which is stated to be light speed even without kurama cloak. İts already accepted in Kurama's profile and gave him ftl because of this.
"FTL attack speed with Tailed Beast Bombs (His attack speed would be massively above V1 Cloaked Temari and the Hyuga clan, whose attack speed raise massively from mere fractions of Kurama's chakra enabling them to move faster than Mifune's Issen" thats what written in profiles.
Just after this profile says "comparable to Gyuki" which should be means Gyuki's bijuu bomb should be equal to these ftl attacks.

For rasenshuriken, the feat is the same as bijuu bomb's first feat
İts also goes at the same speed as Yasaka Magatama and bijuu bomb.

Rasenshuriken always potrayed as fast as long range susanoo attacks like sasuke's susanoo arrow

Similar thread created by @Apollonir.Scale
Few years ago
So i wanted to recreate it
Thats all

 

[Aytugsss]

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[Aytugsss]

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[Arcker123]

First one is İtachi's Yasaka Magatama.
When Nagato used his chibaku tensei, İtachi said they need to use their strongest long range attack at the core simultaneously and they launched their attacks at the same time.
At this time bijuu bomb and rasenshuriken goes at the same speed as itachis attack.
Thats feat alone wont be enough but we have one more feat.

The attacks are being sucked in by the gravity of the orb. Not flying at regular speed. This feat is unusable

 

[Aytugsss]

The attacks are being sucked in by the gravity of the orb. Not flying at regular speed. This feat is unusable

Why wouldnt it be unusable
Both attacks were launched simultaneously from the same distance toward the same gravitational source. Since the gravitational field affects both attacks equally, it does not change their relative speed. Therefore, any speed comparison between the two attacks remains valid.
İf yasaka was faster than bijuudama ,it would been hit first
İts would be like;
Yasakas speed=100
Gravity=20
Total=120
Bijuubomb= 80
Gravity=20
Total=100
But they launched at the same time and hit at the same time which means they are equal in speed

 

[Arcker123]

They couldn't even aim accurately at the thing and had to rely on the gravitational pull to target it. The attacks weren't flying on their own, but rather being sucked in. Their speed isn't a factor.

 

[Testarossa002]

Bee was also amped by Naruto's chakra during that interaction. It's not a feat that'll get attributed solely to him

For confirmation on the amped stuff, see Chapter 644 where Juubito was about to nuke the alliance

And regardless of any of that, like Arcker said, they don't need to move at the same speed since gravity is actively pulling everything to the CT core

Disagree

 

[Aytugsss]

Bee was also amped by Naruto's chakra during that interaction. It's not a feat that'll get attributed solely to him

For confirmation on the amped stuff, see Chapter 644 where Juubito was about to nuke the alliance

Does kurama chakra effect gyuki to?
There is no visible kurama chakra in that form

And regardless of any of that, like Arcker said, they don't need to move at the same speed since gravity is actively pulling everything to the CT core

İf itachis attack would be faster, it would hit first, they launch their attack almost at the same distance and same time
Gravity effects them equally

Disagree

Okay

 

[Arcker123]

İf itachis attack would be faster, it would hit first, they launch their attack almost at the same distance and same time
Gravity effects them equally

Thats the point. The reason they hit at the same time is because the gravity is effecting them equally. This feat tells us nothing about how their speeds stack up independent of that, and is this worthless for speed scaling.

 

[Aytugsss]

Thats the point. The reason they hit at the same time is because the gravity is effecting them equally. This feat tells us nothing about how their speeds stack up independent of that, and is this worthless for speed scaling.

What?
İf gravity vectors effect them same its cant change their speed gap
Yasaka would hit first

 

[Arcker123]

That would only be true if they were all throwing in a straight line at the thing, which isn't true. They couldn't even aim properly at it and had to rely on the gravitational pull entirely to hit it. Their natural speed is irrelevant because they qere just releasing the attacks wildly, and relied entirely on the pull itself to hit the thing, not their own speed.

 

[Aytugsss]

That would only be true if they were all throwing in a straight line at the thing, which isn't true. They couldn't even aim properly at it and had to rely on the gravitational pull entirely to hit it. Their natural speed is irrelevant because they qere just releasing the attacks wildly, and relied entirely on the pull itself to hit the thing, not their own speed.

İf they launch at different places, what you said would be true but they launch almost at the same angle.
Yasaka magatama go little more straight then others so if it was faster it still would hit first
İf attacks got slower, bijuudama and rasenshuriken got slower more
İf they get faster,bijuudama and rasenshuriken got less faster because yasaka follow more straight line then other two

 

[Arcker123]

İf they launch at different places, what you said would be true but they launch almost at the same angle.

1. Thats irrelevant
2. You couldn't prove this anyway

 

[Aytugsss]

1. Thats irrelevant
2. You couldn't prove this anyway

Ofcourse its revelant you need to prove their speed gap changed you making the argument ,i just explained why their speed gap doesnt changed

 

[Arcker123]

The attacks aren't traveling using their own speed, they're being conpletely overtaken by the gravitational force.

Its like a car being pulled by a large magnet at a junkyard

 

[Aytugsss]

The attacks aren't traveling using their own speed, they're being conpletely overtaken by the gravitational force.

Its like a car being pulled by a large magnet at a junkyard

The attacks traveling with their speed + gravity pulls and gravity pulls effect them equally its like
100 their normal speed and 20 gravity pulls=total 120
Their direction changed a little bit but even if its effect them, yasaka would be hit first because its follow more straight line

 

[Arcker123]

The attacks traveling with their speed

They aren't traveling with their speed

 

[Aytugsss]

They aren't traveling with their speed

They are travelling with their speed + gravity pulls
And gravity effect them equally so we can literally ignore it
You saying this like they didnt trow their attacks with their full mights

 

[Arcker123]

They are travelling with their speed + gravity pulls
And gravity effect them equally so we can literally ignore it
You saying this like they didnt trow their attacks with their full mights

No. They're entirely relying on the gravitational pull rather than their own speed.

See my analogy with the magnet

 

[Aytugsss]

No. They're entirely relying on the gravitational pull rather than their own speed.

See my analogy with the magnet

They only relying gravity for attacks direction not speed
They launched their attacks at their normal speed and its just grow faster
And they grow equally so its doesnt matter

 

[Damage3245]

The fact that they're relying on the gravitational attraction of the Chibaku Tensei to attract their attacks in towards its core strongly suggests to me that they're not throwing their attacks at faster-than-light speeds. If they were, then their attacks would close the distance between them and the core in a couple hundred nanoseconds; there wouldn't be enough time for the gravity to affect their trajectory and so no need to rely on the Chibaku Tensei to pull their techniques in towards the core.

 

[Arcker123]

They only relying gravity for attacks direction not speed

Do you know how a magenetic force pulls objects in its direction

 

[Aytugsss]

The fact that they're relying on the gravitational attraction of the Chibaku Tensei to attract their attacks in towards its core strongly suggests to me that they're not throwing their attacks at faster-than-light speeds. If they were, then their attacks would close the distance between them and the core in a couple hundred nanoseconds; there wouldn't be enough time for the gravity to affect their trajectory and so no need to rely on the Chibaku Tensei to pull their techniques in towards the core.

Enough gravity would pull light speed attacks
İts strong enought to both itachi and naruto cant escape from it with their shushin and we know a fack that their shunshins also ftl

 

[Aytugsss]

Do you know how a magenetic force pulls objects in its direction

Can you explain how exactly?

 

[Arcker123]

Can you explain how exactly?

 

[Damage3245]

Enough gravity would pull light speed attacks
İts strong enought to both itachi and naruto cant escape from it with their shushin and we know a fack that their shunshins also ftl

None of them showed any attempt at trying to escape from it with pure speed so it's an assumption to say they're incapable of escaping it. And are you trying to tell me that they're being pulled upwards here at faster-than-light speeds while conversing with each other over an extended period of time?

 

[Aytugsss]

None of them showed any attempt at trying to escape from it with pure speed so it's an assumption to say they're incapable of escaping it. And are you trying to tell me that they're being pulled upwards here at faster-than-light speeds while conversing with each other over an extended period of time?

İf they are capable of escaping from it why they didnt? Nobody had knowledge about they can destroy it and naruto feared from it a little
So why is it become an assumption

 

[Aytugsss]

Sorry but i didnt understand anything
İts probably because of my lack of english but why you assumption that Gravitational Force and electromagnetic force works same?

 

[Aytugsss]

None of them showed any attempt at trying to escape from it with pure speed so it's an assumption to say they're incapable of escaping it. And are you trying to tell me that they're being pulled upwards here at faster-than-light speeds while conversing with each other over an extended period of time?

And for speaking, most of the fiction character speaks while moving at mftl speeds ,im not saying they are pulled with ftl speeds and i dont think we need ftl pulling to pull something moves at ftl

 

[Arcker123]

Sorry but i didnt understand anything
İts probably because of my lack of english but why you assumption that Gravitational Force and electromagnetic force works same?

No.

I'm trying to demonstrate that an attractive force is not merely adeing speed when it attracts a moving object.

 

[Damage3245]

İf they are capable of escaping from it why they didnt? Nobody had knowledge about they can destroy it and naruto feared from it a little
So why is it become an assumption

And for speaking, most of the fiction character speaks while moving at mftl speeds ,im not saying they are pulled with ftl speeds and i dont think we need ftl pulling to pull something moves at ftl

Running away would only be a short-term solution, but it doesn't matter because they didn't discuss the option for us to know whether it'd work or not. Objects weren't being pulled upwards with exceptional speed.

"Talking is a Free Action" is a literary trope that can be used to excuse some scenes that would not make sense otherwise. It doesn't become the default assumption that characters are talking in a matter of nanoseconds with each other. It's like looking at a scene of a character casually walking and suggesting they must have been walking at Massively Hypersonic speeds... instead of them just walking as normal speeds.

 

[Aytugsss]

Running away would only be a short-term solution, but it doesn't matter because they didn't discuss the option for us to know whether it'd work or not. Objects weren't being pulled upwards with exceptional speed.

That attack had finity range and running away would be the first thing that coming in mind and they didnt know they can destroy it
İ dont think pulling speed is matter, with enough force, it can pull anything and tgats the case is there i think

"Talking is a Free Action" is a literary trope that can be used to excuse some scenes that would not make sense otherwise. It doesn't become the default assumption that characters are talking in a matter of nanoseconds with each other. It's like looking at a scene of a character casually walking and suggesting they must have been walking at Massively Hypersonic speeds... instead of them just walking as normal speeds.

They dont need to pulled with ftl speed to pull something ftl

 

[Aytugsss]

No.

I'm trying to demonstrate that an attractive force is not merely adeing speed when it attracts a moving object.

How exaclty its effecting their speed then?
From what i reading from ai its only says its make faster or slower

 

[Arcker123]

How exaclty its effecting their speed then?
From what i reading from ai its only says its make faster or slower

It means their speed is only just whatever the pull is, not an addition to it.

 

[Aytugsss]

It means their speed is only just whatever the pull is, not an addition to it.

This is completaly wrong,where do you get this?