My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

[1000TonsofFun]

talking about plus ultra

isnt there an easy way to quantify a plus ultra amp? i remember seeing a statement that says it puts all the power of the previous ofa users into one attacks

Are there any scans? Could be a useful multiplier at the very least.

 

[JoeDM021]

Are there any scans? Could be a useful multiplier at the very least.

i only got this one so far

"プルスウルトラは歴代OFAの力を拳に込めた超強力なスマッシュ!!!"

"Plus Ultra is an incredibly powerful smash that channels the power of all past OFAs into a single punch!!!"

 

[1000TonsofFun]

i only got this one so far

"プルスウルトラは歴代OFAの力を拳に込めた超強力なスマッシュ!!!"

"Plus Ultra is an incredibly powerful smash that channels the power of all past OFAs into a single punch!!!"

I’m not sure if that would prove too much given that most of OFA’s power came from All Might. I guess it depends where the other users scale.

 

[JoeDM021]

I’m not sure if that would prove too much given that most of OFA’s power came from All Might. I guess it depends where the other users scale.

it could include prime mights OFA

 

[BiggestOpp]

This is all my personal opinion, so who cares what I say. Feel free to disagree with me.

Why the long face twinlet
You’re a staple in the community and the founding father of Mha powerscaling. ur opinion matters.
Tho give a min to read it all

 

[JoeDM021]

Why the long face twinlet
You’re a staple in the community and the food being father of Mha powerscaling ur opinion matters.
Tho give a min to read it all

on vsbw at least

outside vsbw theres no one really but i do admit rusty is definitely a popular guy in it

 

[Metalballrun]

To be fair AFO is weakened. Not just physically but spiritually. Even his quirk factors are fried.
And the Machia killing beam is only accessible to AFO. His quirks were progressively getting stronger the younger he got.

Wiki-wise we still treat this AFO to be capable of stomping 99% of the heroes instantly, or we used to anyways.
The key was removed from AFO's profile because of how nebulous his entire state is by that point in the story.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Wiki-wise we still treat this AFO to be capable of stomping 99% of the heroes instantly, or we used to anyways.
The key was removed from AFO's profile because of how nebulous his entire state is by that point in the story.

I thought some of the reason the key was removed was due to it inaccurately presenting his stats? I remember Rusty disagreeing with where he was anyway. Regardless, we currently accept characters that take attacks from AFO Chaos (what he’s called in the game) to be Low 7-B (Kirishima with I believe Unbreakable, Ashido with Acidman and Fat Gum). It’s more accurate to say that AFO was closer to the level of the remaining heroes than the heroes merely gained plot armour imo, given he outright says that he was weakened and every interaction with the remaining heroes shows them resisting or taking his attacks.

 

[Metalballrun]

I thought some of the reason the key was removed was due to it inaccurately presenting his stats?

Not entirely.
Scaling that AFO to the rest of the heroes he was fighting is certainly the more conservative framework, but there's also the fact that AFO fought against Tier 6 heroes and evaded their attacks.
Assuming Endeavor, Shoto, etc. regressed to Low 7-B and High Hypersonic speeds due to being weakened would be similarly arbitrary assumption.

For that reason, it's best to not create a key for what is functionally a dying, crumbling AFO as it causes more vague problems.

Placing that key into AFO's profile is also strange since he's also been in control of Tomura's body during the Sky Coffin fight.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Not entirely.
Scaling that AFO to the rest of the heroes he was fighting is certainly the more conservative framework, but there's also the fact that AFO fought against Tier 6 heroes and evaded their attacks.
Assuming Endeavor, Shoto, etc. regressed to Low 7-B and High Hypersonic speeds due to being weakened would be similarly arbitrary assumption.

For that reason, it's best to not create a key for what is functionally a dying, crumbling AFO as it causes more vague problems.

Placing that key into AFO's profile is also strange since he's also been in control of Tomura's body during the Sky Coffin fight.

Enji and Shoto don’t hit him (unless you go off the anime) so their AP doesn’t matter much. Their speed being decreased makes sense to me, both had just woken up after almost dying and were grounded for the entire rest of the fight. I’m pretty sure Enji was unconscious after the flash fire fist. AFO was also getting weaker throughout the fight iirc, his body was crumbling as it went on due to OFA’s power within him. The only other Tier 6 heroes I can think of in the battle are Gang Orca and Burnin, both of whom aren’t seen again until after AFO is beaten - implying they were knocked down/out earlier in the battle, given how that’s how it went for every other hero in the fight (plus the general theme of the AFO Chaos battle being everyone using their lay strength to give just one moment to Midoriya), so they would have dealt with AFO when he was stronger. I don’t really remember what Burnin even does in the fight though, so maybe I’ve got some stuff with her wrong but I’m pretty sure that Orca merely does one of his blasts (which aren’t even AP based) and then remains unseen until after the fight. I do agree that AFO Chaos probably shouldn’t have a key though, even though I did used to argue that. He’s functionally just Shigaraki but without decay and an unknown, but significant, amount weaker and getting even weaker as time progresses. I just remember some of the reason it was removed was due to it being scaled too high.

 

[DBZMLP12345]

I think the issue is that Prime All Might level was probably not meant to be 60x stronger.

Yeah, kind of crazy how if you give Weakened All Might a SSJ Level boost he'd still be below his Prime Level

 

[Metalballrun]

Their speed being decreased makes sense to me, both had just woken up after almost dying and were grounded for the entire rest of the fight.

Well if you welcome the idea that characters can go from Relativistic to High Hypersonic after a huge fight then that's perfectly fine. We can use that kind of logic to a lot of other avenues of the story since characters being weakened or near death happens a lot.

Enji and Shoto don’t hit him

There are people here who used to think they did.

Shigaraki goes from not being on par with All Might to being on par with All Might by the Final War Arc. He clearly got stronger. All For One even states that Shigaraki's potential surpassed his and Garaki's expectations during the Star and Stripe's fight.

What was clear to me was that Tomura was never supposed to become as strong as Prime All Might, that was never the intention. He just needed to be on the level that Weakened All Might was, a high quality base hardware that can take on more software.

Similar to the High Ends, his body was being stabilized at that time or some such. It's still a common misconception that his 75% completion denotes a power level, though not common here.

Hence why his growth to Prime All Might level was something unexpected, or in other words, not within the plans made by AFO and Garaki.

There is a big gap, as even Plus Ultra All Might was inferior to Prime All Might, yet I don't think it was meant to be blitzing and one-shot level.

Shigaraki did blitz and one-shot a Weakened Mirko iirc.

The problem remains that Prime All Might level characters lack objective feats, as Shigaraki only had scaling feats against other characters on Weakened All Might's level.

So even with how dubious the 60x multiplier sounds to some of us, it's the only numeric evidence of how strong PAM is at the moment.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

There are people here who used to think they did.

I think I did for a bit but it was cos I hadn’t read the chapter and was remembering the anime.

Shigaraki did blitz and one-shot a Weakened Mirko iirc.

The problem remains that Prime All Might level characters lack objective feats, as Shigaraki only had scaling feats against other characters on Weakened All Might's level.

So even with how dubious the 60x multiplier sounds to some of us, it's the only numeric evidence of how strong PAM is at the moment.

PAM level characters are mostly let down by the fact that Shigaraki relies on decay. If his destruction was carried out by AP related means, he would probably have greater showings than the rest of the cast.

MHA in general relies on cloud feats a lot due to the nature of the verse. You can’t really have a reconstructive take on superheroes that has tons of civilian casualties for most of the story. Something I really like about the story is that they explicitly say characters restrain themselves when fighting in cities to lower the amount of destruction, which gives an explanation as to why they aren’t performing Island-Country level feats in every fight unlike some verses which rely on the “ap doesn’t equal destructive capacity” (mostly thinking of MCU here). It’s partly why most of the higher level feats are in the Final War - the situation there is dire and the cities are evacuated (in addition to several characters getting stronger) so there is no worry about civilian casualties. I think one of the most underrated war feats is Enji, Shoto and Toya creating a massive pyrocumulonimbus cloud as a byproduct of their battles. The fact that such a massive cloud wasn’t even the focus of their attacks puts into perspective how powerful these characters are imo.

 

[Kinggg121132]

I think I did for a bit but it was cos I hadn’t read the chapter and was remembering the anime.

PAM level characters are mostly let down by the fact that Shigaraki relies on decay. If his destruction was carried out by AP related means, he would probably have greater showings than the rest of the cast.

MHA in general relies on cloud feats a lot due to the nature of the verse. You can’t really have a reconstructive take on superheroes that has tons of civilian casualties for most of the story. Something I really like about the story is that they explicitly say characters restrain themselves when fighting in cities to lower the amount of destruction, which gives an explanation as to why they aren’t performing Island-Country level feats in every fight unlike some verses which rely on the “ap doesn’t equal destructive capacity” (mostly thinking of MCU here). It’s partly why most of the higher level feats are in the Final War - the situation there is dire and the cities are evacuated (in addition to several characters getting stronger) so there is no worry about civilian casualties. I think one of the most underrated war feats is Enji, Shoto and Toya creating a massive pyrocumulonimbus cloud as a byproduct of their battles. The fact that such a massive cloud wasn’t even the focus of their attacks puts into perspective how powerful these characters are imo.

Any way we can calc this speed?? Seems like an underlook speed feat that hasnt been calc for 45% black whip fajin dekuLik

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Any way we can calc this speed?? Seems like an underlook speed feat that hasnt been calc for 45% black whip fajin dekuLik

It’s pretty easy to calc. Find how fast a bullet travels in the bubble and then find how fast Deku moved in the bubble and divide Deku’s speed by the bullet’s speed. Multiply that value by the average velocity of a handgun bullet and you get Deku’s speed. From what I’ve seen it gets to the HS-MHS ranges, but I could be misremembering.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Enji and Shoto don’t hit him (unless you go off the anime) so their AP doesn’t matter much.

He most likely dodges it in the anime as well.

They don't show it clearly enough, because we only get two frames to see it.

We don't get a shot of him above the fire, but the anime shows him landing after it's done, which even the manga doesn't show.

I'm sure he's meant to be dodging it in the anime there, but it happens way too fast to see.

It’s pretty easy to calc. Find how fast a bullet travels in the bubble and then find how fast Deku moved in the bubble and divide Deku’s speed by the bullet’s speed. Multiply that value by the average velocity of a handgun bullet and you get Deku’s speed. From what I’ve seen it gets to the HS-MHS ranges, but I could be misremembering.

I already did it, although I never posted it.

I got around Mach 3000 to 5000.

 

[Kinggg121132]

It’s pretty easy to calc. Find how fast a bullet travels in the bubble and then find how fast Deku moved in the bubble and divide Deku’s speed by the bullet’s speed. Multiply that value by the average velocity of a handgun bullet and you get Deku’s speed. From what I’ve seen it gets to the HS-MHS ranges, but I could be misremembering.

That pretty slow for his 45% fajin combo no

 

[1000TonsofFun]

That pretty slow for his 45% fajin combo no

For a travel speed supporting feat, no not at all.

 

[JoeDM021]

For a travel speed supporting feat, no not at all.

its acc not that bad for travel speed

its consistent with his faux 100% statement saying he could travel the 200km instantly if he could use faux 100% which got to mhs

 

[Kinggg121132]

its acc not that bad for travel speed

its consistent with his faux 100% statement saying he could travel the 200km instantly if he could use faux 100% which got to mhs

True w movie consistency

 

[Kinggg121132]

He most likely dodges it in the anime as well.




I already did it, although I never posted it.

I got around Mach 3000 to 5000.

Nice anything on dark might ship split feat or endeavor fire power being compared to laser attack that like vaporized/parted the parts of the ocean possibly

 

[TheRustyOne]

Nice anything on dark might ship split feat or endeavor fire power being compared to laser attack that like vaporized/parted the parts of the ocean possibly

The shape of Dark Might ship is massively unreasonable to scale. Any calculation will be wrong due to its shifting size and shape. Yes, its shape isn't consistent; it changes between shots. I don't think they have a proper model for it, or they wanted it to be fluid due to his Quirk.

Let's inflate the results here, since I've measured the general size of the final fortress. Let's say it's a perfect cube that is 2500 m in length, giving it a volume of 15625000000 m^3 and a density of concrete, giving it a total weight of 3.75e+13 kg. We're ignoring hollowness to inflate the values even more.

I got the speed of the split to be 1114.396 m/s.

0.5*3.75e+13*1114.396^2 = 2.3285221e+19 Joules or 29 Gigatons of TNT (Island level).

The actual results are vastly lower, and this breaks our kinetic energy rule, as the split Izuku caused should wipe out the entire city the fortress stands on. I think all of you forget the fortress is on the ground, so it's subject to this rule. It doesn't cause any destruction despite being dragged across the ground at hypersonic speeds, meaning we cannot use KE at all for this feat.

The laser is worthless. I don't know why you think it would be impressive, since the laser's temperature would only be 100 degrees at most. Boiling/vaporizing water only requires 100 degrees, and you cannot calculate heat by how fast something vaporizes, since that's not how it works at all.

Also, heat energy doesn't scale to anyone in MHA, as we lack a universal energy system that puts such energy into anything usable.

I already got the laser's radius as being around 34 meters, and let's say it's 2000 meters tall.

Volume = 7358952.8936198 m^3

Water Vaporization = 2575 J/cc

Energy = 7358952893619.801*2575 = 1.8949304e+16 Joules or 4.52 Megatons of TNT (Small City level+)

I'm massively inflating these results, as you can obviously tell, so it should be far lower.

 

[Kinggg121132]

The shape of Dark Might ship is massively unreasonable to scale. Any calculation will be wrong due to its shifting size and shape. Yes, its shape isn't consistent; it changes between shots. I don't think they have a proper model for it, or they wanted it to be fluid due to his Quirk.

Let's inflate the results here, since I've measured the general size of the final fortress. Let's say it's a perfect cube that is 2500 m in length, giving it a volume of 15625000000 m^3 and a density of concrete, giving it a total weight of 3.75e+13 kg. We're ignoring hollowness to inflate the values even more.

I got the speed of the split to be 1114.396 m/s.

0.5*3.75e+13*1114.396^2 = 2.3285221e+19 Joules or 29 Gigatons of TNT (Island level).

The actual results are vastly lower, and this breaks our kinetic energy rule, as the split Izuku caused should wipe out the entire city the fortress stands on. I think all of you forget the fortress is on the ground, so it's subject to this rule. It doesn't cause any destruction despite being dragged across the ground at hypersonic speeds, meaning we cannot use KE at all for this feat.

The laser is worthless. I don't know why you think it would be impressive, since the laser's temperature would only be 100 degrees at most. Boiling/vaporizing water only requires 100 degrees, and you cannot calculate heat by how fast something vaporizes, since that's not how it works at all.

Also, heat energy doesn't scale to anyone in MHA, as we lack a universal energy system that puts such energy into anything usable.

I already got the laser's radius as being around 34 meters, and let's say it's 2000 meters tall.

Volume = 7358952.8936198 m^3

Water Vaporization = 2575 J/cc

Energy = 7358952893619.801*2575 = 1.8949304e+16 Joules or 4.52 Megatons of TNT (Small City level+)

I'm massively inflating these results, as you can obviously tell, so it should be far lowe

I think the anime/movie animation got me thinking its more impressive but yeah makes sense it would be far lower

 

[Kinggg121132]

i only got this one so far

"プルスウルトラは歴代OFAの力を拳に込めた超強力なスマッシュ!!!"

"Plus Ultra is an incredibly powerful smash that channels the power of all past OFAs into a single punch!!!"

Doesn’t this mean the final smashes prime might level?

 

[Kinggg121132]

One last thing i think most damaging wank misinformation ever in deku scaling is second user telling deku his gear can't handle 100% when he wanted to cross 200km instantly? Then immediately uses gear shift, fajin a stronger combo; gear is fine, plus taking attacks from tomura, and he says, "This time I'll use everything I've got to beat you," which is weird if he's only using 45%. I still see this thrown around