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Henry Stickmin vs Frisk (1-6-0)

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HENRY STICKMIN VS FRISK​

THE STORY:​

While walking around on Mount Ebott, Henry falls in the underground. After wandering around, he arrives to Snowdin, where he encounters Frisk. Henry tries to interact with Frisk, but since he remember his past runs, he knows that Henry shouldn't be here, so he attacks him.

THE RULES:​

  1. Battle takes place in Snowdin Town.
  2. Speed is equalized.
  3. Henry is 9-B+ and Frisk has Regular Determination.
  4. Henry starts in front of Grillby's and Frisk starts in front of Papyrus and Sans's House.
  5. Frisk is equipped with the Empty Gun, the Cowboy Hat and the Cell Phone.
  6. Frisk has 6 Steaks in the Shape of Mettaton's face and 2 Sea Teas.
  7. They both know about each other's equipment, weaknesses and abilities.
  8. Both will have 30 seconds of prep time.

Henry Stickmin (x6,7389737201443731194387232014124 AP advantage): JustANormalLemon,
Frisk (x23,236075245383258758666997259426 LS advantage): AyOgUyS, TauanVictor, Delusionaltx2, Friedoil11, Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh, Poketmonsrs
Inconclusive:
 
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Is this neutral route frisk or genocide route frisk? The Neutral route would be more inclined to use their haxes instead of just attacking
 
Well, two big questions:
  1. Can Frisk get past Henry’ “retry” ability?
  2. Can Henry get past Frisk’s Immortality?
 
So, since both know about each other's abilities, they know they can't kill each other normally. This is basically gonna come down to who can incap or pacify the other first, and I feel like Henry has a big lead there. Frisk's only real way of non-lethally taking down Henry is with their Social Influencing, which would likely work, but Henry using Convert would be much faster than Frisk speaking, and would pacify them first.
 
koopa3144 said:
So, since both know about each other's abilities, they know they can't kill each other normally. This is basically gonna come down to who can incap or pacify the other first, and I feel like Henry has a big lead there. Frisk's only real way of non-lethally taking down Henry is with their Social Influencing, which would likely work, but Henry using Convert would be much faster than Frisk speaking, and would pacify them first.
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Do I count it as a vote for Henry?
 
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koopa3144 said:
So, since both know about each other's abilities, they know they can't kill each other normally. This is basically gonna come down to who can incap or pacify the other first, and I feel like Henry has a big lead there. Frisk's only real way of non-lethally taking down Henry is with their Social Influencing, which would likely work, but Henry using Convert would be much faster than Frisk speaking, and would pacify them first.
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Well, while this is true, another thing they both know is weakness. While after a few saves Frisk might try this strategy (if not at the start altogether), Henry might not even try it. This is due to the fact that he might try to make Frisk give up the fight, since it’s listed in his weaknesses.
JustANormalLemon said:
Henry FRA
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Sure, I’ll add it when I get to my computer.
 
Friedoil11 said:
Well, while this is true, another thing they both know is weakness. While after a few saves Frisk might try this strategy (if not at the start altogether), Henry might not even try it. This is due to the fact that he might try to make Frisk give up the fight, since it’s listed in his weaknesses.
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I feel like in SBA frisk standard SI isn't enough here sinse it's not supernatural or anything like that
 
JustANormalLemon said:
I feel like in SBA frisk standard SI isn't enough here sinse it's not supernatural or anything like that
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I don't think you're getting my point. The thing I'm trying to say is that Henry's gonna either win by converting Frisk to his side or by literally making Frisk give up the fight completely.
 
Friedoil11 said:
I don't think you're getting my point. The thing I'm trying to say is that Henry's gonna either win by converting Frisk to his side or by literally making Frisk give up the fight completely.
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JustANormalLemon said:
I don't think I understand
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Well, my point is that Henry has an easy wincon, BUT since he knows that one of Frisk's weaknesses is making him give up on the fight, he might try to go for the weakness. IF he tries to do this, the battle would either go one of three ways:
  1. A win for Henry, where he actually manages to make Frisk give up, which is improbable since there's a higher chance that he just resets.
  2. An Inconclusive, where both would try to make each other give up.
  3. A win for Frisk, where Frisk completely memorises every possible move of Henry and somehow incap him by dodging everything and using his LS or by using Henry's incompetence and/or bad luck to win.
Now, I'm not saying that Henry's not gonna win, but he is either gonna use his "Convert" move or he is gonna try and go for Frisk's weakness.
 
Friedoil11 said:
A win for Frisk, where Frisk completely memorises every possible move of Henry and somehow incap him by dodging everything and using his LS or by using Henry's incompetence and/or bad luck to win.
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Henry lowkey getting pinned and choked out by a child?
 
Fallen_Angelicx said:
Doesn't Henry have Toon Force lmaoo
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Well, the only feat shown of Toon Force is him tying a knot from inside a bag.
Fallen_Angelicx said:
Henry gonna make himself as flat as paper or some crap hes done in the series
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Well, him trasforming into a paper is a feat which requires the Paperizor, which if he uses it might work on Frisk too, but he won't just stand still and let himself turn into paper.
AyOgUyS said:
Is Retry just like SAVE and LOAD?
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Well, yes and no. While both can use their respective ability no matter what happens to them, but for Henry it's not clear if it works only on his last failed action or if he can directly retry the whole battle (or scenario). Also, I think that if we assume that every single time they reset the battle to the start of it (if we assume that Henry can also retry the whole battle), the other will lose every single bit of knowledge they gained, even if they resetted. So, if I make so that to win they have to kill each other, which would restrict Henry's only other wincon, it would end in an Incon since they both wouldn't remember anything because of the other one resetting everything.
AyOgUyS said:
Well SAVE and LOAD requires the existence of the SAVE System, a Low 1-C hypertimeline. Can Henry interact with that kinda thing?
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Henry wouldn't be able to do anything to the SAVE and LOAD. And this applies to Frisk with Henry's Retry ability.
 
May I ask if Henry's "retry" ability work on his last failed action or can he also do it on a whole scenario (or battle in this case)?
 
Friedoil11 said:
Also, I think that if we assume that every single time they reset the battle to the start of it (if we assume that Henry can also retry the whole battle), the other will lose every single bit of knowledge they gained, even if they resetted. So, if I make so that to win they have to kill each other, which would restrict Henry's only other wincon, it would end in an Incon since they both wouldn't remember anything because of the other one resetting everything.
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They both have Type 1 Acausality, so they’d actually remember everything regardless how many times either of them reset the fight.
 
This seems interesting

So on one hand henry has much faster SI but because of how inconsistent he can get, its likely that it would take a while for him to use it


On the other hand frisk has slower SI but henry has nothing for the low 1-C save system or anything to reach the player entity so most of Henry's bag of tricks are useless here.

Think I'm leaning towards frisk due to them being the more consistent choice
 
Oof, as much as Inl9ve Henry I think I'll toss my hat in the ring and go Frisk FRA. My vote is prone to change if better arguments come up.
 
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