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Why did they say it then? Was it edited?
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One Piece: Minor Pre-Timeskip Upgrade
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I meant why did Psychomaster tell them to use fragmentation if they already were?
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Violent Frag. was probably used first then it got swapped to Frag. to align with the CGM's comment. I imagine this is what happened.
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they used vfrag the first time. then they were told to use frag so they edited the calc to where it looks like it always used frag
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It technically isn't approved then cause Psycho didn't give approval of the updated fragmentation version
Shouldn't be too hard to get Psycho's attention for approval tho
Shouldn't be too hard to get Psycho's attention for approval tho
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If they say “just multiply by 8” it’s effectively accepted when they do so. We don’t need psycho to say “you listened to me, it’s good now”
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bro just ask him to recheck it, it's not that big of a deal
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The calc is now evaluated
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Is two agrees enough or do we need 3?
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So what is the consensus so far? I'm not good with these calc stuff
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KT and FinePoint are fine with the implementation of the calcs and scaling.
Imaginym is neutral, unconvinced by either side I suppose.
Damage disagrees with the accepted calcs, saying that the first calc's rubble doesn't match the boulder's initial size and believes the timeframe is too short/distance is too far.
Thats 2 Agrees, 1 Neutral and 1 Disagree.
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Hmm, that hard for me to decide, ngl, since i'm not good with these calc stuff, and idk much about the verse other than some surface stuff
I think you guys need to solves the issue with Damage
I think you guys need to solves the issue with Damage
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It's been a while since I've taken a look at this thread. I'll go back over what's in the calcs soon. Is the sandbox in the OP up to date?
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Yes
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I should mention I updated the calc to use the new planet size calc. If that's a problem, I can just roll it back to the old one.
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Right, I forgot about that one but the other ones use the new size. I can update that end as well, if you want.
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It is updated.
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Is the calc actually updated? The end of the calc that uses the 31.93 second timeframe has one distance value, and all the other ends have a different distance value. Only one end is marked as accepted in the blog.
Assuming that 31.93 second end is the only end being proposed, it's not what is in line with the sandbox currently.
Assuming that 31.93 second end is the only end being proposed, it's not what is in line with the sandbox currently.
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The 31.93 second end is the high end. Currently the low end is accepted.
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The question remains why the versions are using different distance values.
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Because they work on different assumptions? Using the same timeframe for a significantly higher distance is illogical.
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I'll address it more tomorrow, but why precisely would any of the timeframe values be applicable for one distance value and not the other? Which assumptions are at work for each version that makes this the case?
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I hate how this has now turned into a pseudo CGM thread.
But I just wanted to go over why I believe the Grand Line end makes the most sense.
As we already know. Wapol was sent beyond the horizon at high speeds to an unknown island.
By process of elimination, we can use what we know that the closest islands; Cactus Island, Little Garden, Alabasta and Jaya are not where he landed.
Even other islands found in Paradise don't match the location depicted in Wapol's cover story. Such as Kyuka Island, Karakuri, Kenzan, and Namakura.
Furthermore, we know for a fact the Evil Black Drum Kingdom is in the South Blue. During Wapol's Omnivorous Hurrah, we never see Wapol take a ship off the island and Occam's Razor dictates the island Wapol landed on was whatever the name prior to being called the Evil Black Drum Kingdom. Assuming he landed within Paradise and traveled to the South Blue is unfounded and adds further speculation.
But I just wanted to go over why I believe the Grand Line end makes the most sense.
As we already know. Wapol was sent beyond the horizon at high speeds to an unknown island.
By process of elimination, we can use what we know that the closest islands; Cactus Island, Little Garden, Alabasta and Jaya are not where he landed.
Even other islands found in Paradise don't match the location depicted in Wapol's cover story. Such as Kyuka Island, Karakuri, Kenzan, and Namakura.
Furthermore, we know for a fact the Evil Black Drum Kingdom is in the South Blue. During Wapol's Omnivorous Hurrah, we never see Wapol take a ship off the island and Occam's Razor dictates the island Wapol landed on was whatever the name prior to being called the Evil Black Drum Kingdom. Assuming he landed within Paradise and traveled to the South Blue is unfounded and adds further speculation.
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@EtherealCrater You didn't answer my post above.
I don't recall it ever being stated he went beyond the horizon as viewed room the to of the mountain.
Is that the sole indication that island became the Evil Black Drum Kingdom? That we're not down him travelling inside the cover story?
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A higher timeframe for the Grandline end doesn't contradict a lower timeframe for going beyond the horizon. But as I'm explaining, I believe the Grandline distance and timeframe make more sense.
Everybody who viewed it is at the top of the mountain, why would we consider other people's viewpoints who are nowhere near Wapol in the first place?
Yes. Wapol is never shown or implied to have bought a sea prism stone coated ship to traverse across the Calm Belt. This is an extraordinary claim that requires equally extraordinary evidence on your part.
There is no safe way out of Paradise and no reasonable explanation as to why he could make that journey. All passages from Reverse Mountain lead to Paradise, so that's out of the equation. Wapol is no World Noble nor does he have connections to Wano; so getting a Sea Prism Stone ship is nigh impossible. There's the Red Ports but that only leads from Paradise to the New World, but Wapol wouldn't even have that kind of influence to throw around until the EBDK is already established.
Unless you provide evidence, I am under no obligation to believe your convoluted interpretation.
Wapol landing in the South Blue requires far less assumptions and is the simplest answer.
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Who at the top of the mountain said that Wapol went over the horizon?
It doesn't logically follow that the only way to leave Paradise is with a Sea Prism ship.
We know that royals are capable of travelling to the centre of the Grand Line to visit Mary Geoise for the Reverie every four years as they have done for centuries, which means they must also be capable of leaving the centre of the Grand Line and returning back to their kingdoms in the four Blue Seas. And Sea Prism-coated ships were only invented recently by Dr. Vegapunk.
There is nothing convoluted about Wapol acquiring some form of transport to leave Paradise and go to the South Blue once he has a fortune.
But I think your proposal is also an extraordinary claim; that Luffy sent Wapol flying a distance of over twice the circumference of the planet Earth at around Mach 7948, a speed far higher than any other speed feat from this period in the manga and isn't reached by any calc until after Skypiea. This is a proposal that is very inconsistent with the character's portrayal in the Alabasta Saga as to launch Wapol that quickly Luffy himself must be moving at least that quickly.
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Doesn't seem like Damage wants to relent on disallowing the use of the Wapol calc; I guess we'll have to go with the first calc.
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Why are the characters upscaling to Small Town level? Also, didn't I mention issues with that boulder calc earlier in the thread?
