Infinite Mage - Adrias Miro Profile Creation[ACCEPTED]

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Introduction​

Hi guys, so I've been wanting to do this for a while now but i just haven't gotten the time to do so, but now I have some free time so I made this, anyways without further ado, let's begin...

Also please avoid derailing and don't be toxic.

Content​

I've created this pfp, it covers about 300 chapters of the novel. But since there's no accepted cosmology page for the verse yet, so I'll just have to show some more proof asto why she's Low 1-C.

MIRO'S PROFILE

Spoiler: Evidence

Worlds are Universes/Spacetime and is seen as a Spot.

She placed the orb between her palms and pressed. It compressed into a single, black dot.

"A spot..."

"Yes, this is the true nature of the world we inhabit. The world you lived in is also just one of these points. Yet within it lies an endlessly vast universe, a matrix of space and time."
V5C101

Spots have infinite space as it's compressed infinitely, they also contains an infinite amount of other spacetime.

As she spoke, it made sense why he hadn‘t felt any distance. However, even if he was trapped in a one-dimensional space, his body was still three-dimensional. If he could measure the distance between his right and left arms, wouldn‘t space still exist?

"Oh, I see. A three-dimensional object exists within a one-dimensional space."

"Your insight is truly remarkable. Yes, that‘s the essence of space-time. No
matter how vast the world is, from a distance, it‘s merely a dot. Conversely, even the smallest dot, when looked into, contains an infinite worlds."
V5C99

Shirone tilted his head in confusion. A point is one-dimensional, devoid of space. When a point moves, it forms a line; when a line moves, it forms a plane; and when a plane moves, a three-dimensional space is created.

"Could it be...?"

Shirone recalled the white space he had just been in.

"That‘s correct. That was a spot. It‘s not that there‘s no space; it‘s compressed
infinitely."
V5C99

So each Spots are a complete Spacetime of infinite size(Low 2-C).

Now let's go to Miro...

Miro is a god and a god is being who can create things of lower dimension than their own.

She held the orb up to Shirone‘s face.

"A god is simply an architect who creates a realm of a lower dimension than their own. Even so, they seem omnipotent to those within that realm. That‘s the fascinating part. This farmer will never know that an external force moved him to the field."

She pulled the orb close to herself and cradled it between her palms. As she opened her arms wide, the village expanded, engulfing the temple.
V5C101

And she created a world which has space and time.

She extended her hand, and a glass orb floated above her palm. Within it was the miniature scene of a village, with tiny people scattered throughout.

"As you see, I‘ve created a village. Though it‘s only a model, I can still move people within it."

She reached into the orb and shifted a farmer feeding his horse to a nearby
field.

"See, the farmer moved. Changing space means granting time. Can you see any difference between this and the world you lived in? No, this is what being a god is. Right now, I am the god of this village."
V5C101

Not only that, this world contains billions to infinite other worlds.

She placed the orb between her palms and pressed. It compressed into a single,
black dot.

"A spot..."

"Yes, this is the true nature of the world we inhabit. The world you lived in is also just one of these points. Yet within it lies an endlessly vast universe, a matrix of space and time."

She demonstrated. The scenery within the orb disappeared into a single point and then gave birth to a new world. A world within a world, and another within that... Then she clasped her palms together, and the orb vanished. Billions of worlds ceased to exist in an instant.
V5C101

As she spoke, it made sense why he hadn‘t felt any distance. However, even if he was trapped in a one-dimensional space, his body was still three-dimensional. If he could measure the distance between his right and left arms, wouldn‘t space still exist?

"Oh, I see. A three-dimensional object exists within a one-dimensional space."

"Your insight is truly remarkable. Yes, that‘s the essence of space-time. No
matter how vast the world is, from a distance, it‘s merely a dot. Conversely, even the smallest dot, when looked into, contains an infinite worlds."

Shirone finally felt at ease. If logical conversation was possible, even if this was the afterlife, there was nothing to fear.
V5C99

Further proof is that she stated that things within that spacetime can't perceive her even if they became the world itself through the immortal function. She also states that her space is a world that exist beyond the world she created.

Shirone glanced around. They were now within the village. He stood at one end of a narrow path, the woman at the other. Everyone else remained motionless.

The woman approached the farmer working in the field.

"This farmer doesn‘t know how incomplete this world is because he was born here. There‘s only one way to become aware."

"Immortal Function."

"Correct. The Immortal Function expands one‘s perception to encompass the whole. This village exists within an orb. It would not be inaccurate to say there is no world beyond it."

She placed her hand on the farmer‘s shoulder. He transformed into light,
spreading across the entire sky. As she clenched her fist, the scene shrank again, and the village fit back into the orb. Shirone stared at the orb, which glowed with light radiating from the farmer.

"This farmer expanded into the whole through the Immortal Function. Yet even so, he cannot perceive me. And Shirone, the same goes for you."

Shirone couldn‘t help but feel akin to the farmer. Had the woman attempted to hijack his consciousness, he too might have dispersed into a meaningless light.
V5C101

she is a higher dimensional being existing in a higher dimensional space that she created using scale magic.

In that moment, Shirone‘s mind recalled Scale magic.

"Then... could it be...?"

Alpheas nodded.

"Yes, Miro resides within Istas. It‘s in a higher dimension created through Scale magic. Those who know call it the Upper Layer."

Alpheas placed a hand on Shirone‘s shoulder.

"Promise me, Shirone. You won‘t speak of this to anyone. The Upper Layer is nothing you need to be concerned with. Never, ever get involved with it. It could
bring chaos to this world."
V5C107

Which would mean Miro is completely above the world. Her space is also her spirit zone.

Her arm slowly lowered.

"I see it now. The Spirit Zone itself is also a spot."

Due to the space-time matrix‘s principles, spots could be infinitely deepened. This explained why he, a mental entity, could delve further into the Spirit Zone.

"And this place... is your Spirit Zone."

Shirone focused, gathering a crimson energy that radiated menacingly, making her scowl with unease.
V5C101

SOURCE

Conclusion:

Miro is a higher dimensional being that exist in a higher dimensional space that she created—a space above the world/spacetime—which would at least scale her to Low 1-C, but if not then I would accept 2-A for this.

Spoiler: Reasons why it's Low 1-C

a space that sees spacetime's as spots or dots and is said to even compress them infinitely would mean that this space has a higher degree of freedom(+1d). For notes characters calls them 4d but what they call it doesn't matter because they even call the universe 4d despite it being 11d.

Even changing the meaning of a single word could completely alter the world. People talk about the erasure of Goffin, but no one knows what the world was like before it.

"It could be disastrous for humans. But that won't happen. We're not changing the coordinates between planets."

"Then...?"

Gaold raised his index finger.

"We will change the primordial coordinates."

Shirone was speechless for a moment. It took him a while to understand.

"You mean, the beginning of the universe?"

"Yes. The 4D coordinates, which add time to the 3D spatial coordinates.
Technically, it's 11 dimensions. Changing the primordial coordinates
won't alter events after creation. Heaven won't be able to find us
anymore."
V15C365

So their statements of it being 4d doesn't matter, as 4d for them is 11d in reality. This is basically just a matter of perspective, so saying that her space is 4d because they see or say it as 4d is not reliable

Tiers:
Worlds/Spots: 2-A
Miro's space - Low 1-C/2-A
Adrias Miro - Low 1-C/2-A

Regarding the abilities, tell me if there's anything wrong with it...

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Bump

 

[Andy_lee054]

Finally a char profile for Miro. Agree

 

[TheTenno07]

Agree

 

[korea1234]

In the novel, the “outside world” is described as a higher dimension than the world of Miro.

Spoiler: The outside world is a higher dimension than the world of Miro.

Shirone stared at the giant eye that had appeared between the gates of
the Maika ruins.

Though obscured by an opaque barrier, it clearly looked like an eye and
seemed alive.

“Who are you?”

There was no response, but Shirone realized that communication might
not be possible.

As he walked sideways along the gate, the eye surprisingly followed
him.

‘It’s watching me.’

If this were an entity from the outside world, it would shatter all known
truths of humanity.

“You know I’m here. Show me some proof, anything.”

Just because the gate of an ultra-ancient civilization had opened didn’t
mean it was proof of the outside world.

‘I need to hear it directly. Even if it’s not a sound, anything that can
serve as evidence.’

Unless something beyond a mechanical response came from inside the
gate, it was meaningless.

At that moment, the eye blinked.

It might or might not have been a special signal, but Shirone asked with
anticipation.

Spoiler: The outside world is a higher dimension than the world of Miro.

Anke Ra felt a force stronger than the universe.
'Idea.'

Even the highest-performing machine can't withstand a single flick of a
switch.

'A force acting from outside the world.'

That light and simple force was destroying all of Anke Ra's commands
as it entered.

'How can this be?'

Anke Ra lost the meaning of his existence.

Spoiler: The outside world is a higher dimension than the world of Miro.

"Are you confident you won't feel empty?"

"Looking at this world from the outside might just be a single signal.
Can you still love this place, even if everything that was precious to you
turns out to be a lie?"

"I can."

As the last descendant of the brilliant race that achieved an integrated
mental system.

"Even if it's a lie, even if there's something more void beyond it, I can
love it."

Goffin placed a hand on his chest.

"Because everything I experienced, loved, and felt here is real. It will
remain within me forever."

It's not about leaving to leave.

"I'm ready. It's time to return with what I've realized in this world. And
that is..."

However, in the side story, the outside world is described as a dimension lower than the fifth dimension. Beings in the outside world cannot perceive anything beyond the fourth dimension.

Spoiler: Side Story

“Is that even possible? A phase undetectable even to the Multiverse
Computational System?”

It wasn’t even registered as a bug.

“What if it’s a higher dimension?”

Whether Outer World or multiverse, humans cannot perceive beyond
four dimensions.

In the story’s setting, the Multiverse Computational System is a character with greater abilities than Miro, yet it cannot perceive the fifth dimension.

Therefore, I disagree with this.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

I disagree with this.

The main issue is that the cry is treating the phrase "higher dimension" as if it automatically means a higher-dimensional spacetime, when that's not necessarily the case. A realm being called a higher dimension, higher plane, upper layer, or higher world does not automatically qualify as 5D.

What has been established is

Each Spot contains an infinitely large spacetime.
Miro exists in the Upper Layer.
The Upper Layer is described as a higher dimension.

What has not been established is a qualitative dimensional superiority over the Spots themselves.

Simply existing outside a universe, above a universe, or in a realm containing universes does not inherently grant low 1-C. You need evidence that the Upper Layer transcends the complete spacetime structure of the Spots in a dimensional sense rather than merely being another location.

Furthermore, the statement that the Spirit Zone is itself a Spot arguably suggests it operates under the same general framework as the worlds rather than transcending them. So unless there is evidence that the Upper Layer treats the worlds as lower-dimensional structures or otherwise demonstrates a genuine 5D relationship.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

The main issue is that the cry is treating the phrase "higher dimension" as if it automatically means a higher-dimensional spacetime, when that's not necessarily the case. A realm being called a higher dimension, higher plane, upper layer, or higher world does not automatically qualify as 5D.

Sure, then what tier do you think this scales? As she is literally stated to be existing in as "UPPER LAYER." I forgot to put this on the evidence but gods are said to be able to create a dimension lower than their own.

She held the orb up to Shirone‘s face.

"A god is simply an architect who creates a realm of a lower dimension than their own. Even so, they seem omnipotent to those within that realm. That‘s the fascinating part. This farmer will never know that an external force moved him to the field."
V5C101

Plus her space also See's this spacetime's as "spots" or dot's which is only possible if her space is a higher dimensional space.

She placed the orb between her palms and pressed. It compressed into a single, black dot.

"A spot..."

"Yes, this is the true nature of the world we inhabit. The world you lived in is also just one of these points. Yet within it lies an endlessly vast universe, a matrix of space and time."
V5C101

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Furthermore, the statement that the Spirit Zone is itself a Spot arguably suggests it operates under the same general framework as the worlds rather than transcending them. So unless there is evidence that the Upper Layer treats the worlds as lower-dimensional structures or otherwise demonstrates a genuine 5D relationship.

I mean, wouldn't the fact that she See's it as "spots" be enough? An infinite space containing infinite spacetime that are all infinite in size, all are compressed Infinite in the view of her world, and the other statements such as her existing in a higher layer is just a supporting argument.

 

[TauanVictor]

Disagree FRA

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Spoiler: Side Story

“Is that even possible? A phase undetectable even to the Multiverse
Computational System?”

It wasn’t even registered as a bug.

“What if it’s a higher dimension?”

Whether Outer World or multiverse, humans cannot perceive beyond
four dimensions.

In the story’s setting, the Multiverse Computational System is a character with greater abilities than Miro, yet it cannot perceive the fifth dimension.

The scan is just saying that humans can't perceive beyond four dimensions, it's not stating that the outer world is 4d. also can you provide statements of MCS being above Miro in all aspects? Simply having a much better computational ability doesn't necessarily mean that it's completely above Miro's existence.

However, in the side story, the outside world is described as a dimension lower than the fifth dimension. Beings in the outside world cannot perceive anything beyond the fourth dimension

That wouldn't be the case as perception≠Existence. Being unable to perceive higher dimensions doesn't necessarily mean that the existence they're residing in is that of a lower dimension. Plus the scan never even said that the outside world is 4d it's just talking about how humans can't perceive beyond 4d.

Now you'll ask me "why would this only be referring to human perception?"
Well... You left out a large chunk of that scan.

A record appeared on the screen, filled with symbols that blended space and time.

An observer began analyzing.

“Let’s see... the Terraforce battalion commander tries to kill this woman, Siena. Kuan suddenly moves and slices her neck. Haha, pretty
cool—hm?”

The observer’s brow furrowed.
“Wait. There’s no trace of coordinate movement. Why wasn’t this
flagged as a bug?”

“Because it wasn’t a bug.”

“Sir?”

Zad explained.
“At first, I thought it was a wormhole. A breach in space. But if that
were the case, spacetime curvature changes should’ve been recorded.
They weren’t. So spacetime didn’t shift. He simply moved across a
certain phase coordinate. We just don’t know what that phase is.”

“Is that even possible? A phase undetectable even to the Multiverse
Computational System?”

It wasn’t even registered as a bug.

“What if it’s a higher dimension?”

Whether Outer World or multiverse, humans cannot perceive beyond
four dimensions.

“He didn’t perceive it. He lost reason, which brought him closer to it.”
The observer’s mouth dropped open.
“That’s insane. But if that’s true... it’s practically a miracle.”

they were simply referring to their own perception and how they and every other human in the world can't perceive higher dimensions.

The commander is being hypothesize to be moving in a space beyond their perception. And they weren't able to perceive it, simple as that.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Disagree FRA

What's the reason you disagree?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Following. I'll give my input tomorrow
Also nice, you have my regards for bringing this verse on vsbw :d

What's the reason you disagree?

FRA means "for reasons above".

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

FRA means "for reasons above".

Ohh

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

I mean, wouldn't the fact that she See's it as "spots" be enough? An infinite space containing infinite spacetime that are all infinite in size, all are compressed Infinite in the view of her world, and the other statements such as her existing in a higher layer is just a supporting argument.

No, because you're skipping the most important step in the argument.

Seeing something as a "spot" does not automatically mean dimensional transcendence.

Likewise, a being can perceive an entire universe as a point due to distance, scale, perspective, compression mechanics, or cosmological structure without being 5D.

What you need to prove is not:

"She sees universes as spots."

What you need to prove is:

"She sees 4D spacetimes as lower-dimensional objects due to existing on a higher-dimensional axis."

Those are completely different claims.

The scan itself even explains that the worlds are compressed into spots. So the fact that they're represented as spots is already explained by the verse's own cosmology. You're treating the visual representation as proof of dimensional superiority when the text already provides another reason for why they appear that way.

And again, you're still relying on the exact same unsupported jump:

Infinite spacetime → appears as a spot → therefore Low 1-C.

Where is the proof that the "spot" relationship is dimensional rather than merely cosmological?

Where is the proof that Miro's realm transcends the spacetime structure itself?

Where is the proof of an additional spatial dimension?

Because right now all I see is:

• Infinite universes/spacetimes.
• A realm outside or above them.
• Universes represented as spots.

None of that automatically equals 5D. You're treating "looks small from a higher layer" as if it's synonymous with "is lower-dimensional." Those are not the same thing.

 

[TheTenno07]

No, because you're skipping the most important step in the argument.

Seeing something as a "spot" does not automatically mean dimensional transcendence.

Likewise, a being can perceive an entire universe as a point due to distance, scale, perspective, compression mechanics, or cosmological structure without being 5D.

What you need to prove is not:

"She sees universes as spots."

What you need to prove is:

"She sees 4D spacetimes as lower-dimensional objects due to existing on a higher-dimensional axis."

Those are completely different claims.

The scan itself even explains that the worlds are compressed into spots. So the fact that they're represented as spots is already explained by the verse's own cosmology. You're treating the visual representation as proof of dimensional superiority when the text already provides another reason for why they appear that way.

And again, you're still relying on the exact same unsupported jump:

Infinite spacetime → appears as a spot → therefore Low 1-C.

Where is the proof that the "spot" relationship is dimensional rather than merely cosmological?

Where is the proof that Miro's realm transcends the spacetime structure itself?

Where is the proof of an additional spatial dimension?

Because right now all I see is:

• Infinite universes/spacetimes.
• A realm outside or above them.
• Universes represented as spots.

None of that automatically equals 5D. You're treating "looks small from a higher layer" as if it's synonymous with "is lower-dimensional." Those are not the same thing.

This makes sense

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Sure, then what tier do you think this scales?

Maybe 2-A

As she is literally stated to be existing in as "UPPER LAYER." I forgot to put this on the evidence but gods are said to be able to create a dimension lower than their own.

Plus her space also See's this spacetime's as "spots" or dot's which is only possible if her space is a higher dimensional space.

This actually proves my point more than yours.

The statement says:

"A god is simply an architect who creates a realm of a lower dimension than their own."

Okay. Then prove the dimensions involved.

You keep acting like the phrase "lower dimension" automatically means 5D > 4D, but that's not stated anywhere in the evidence you've shown.

For all we know, it could be:

• 4D creating 3D.
• 5D creating 4D.
• 100D creating 99D.

The statement establishes a dimensional hierarchy exists. It does not establish where Miro sits on that hierarchy.

You're skipping the entire scaling chain and jumping straight to Low 1-C.

And the "Upper Layer" argument still isn't helping. Being in an upper layer does not automatically make that layer higher-dimensional. This has rejected that reasoning countless times. Heaven can be an upper layer. The Astral Plane can be an upper layer. A parallel realm can be an upper layer. None of those are automatically 5D. You need evidence that the Upper Layer transcends the spacetime structure of the worlds themselves, not just that it's located above them.

As for the "spots" argument, you're still treating it as if it's some automatic Low 1-C button.

The text literally explains that the worlds are compressed into spots. That's a property of the cosmology being described. It doesn't automatically mean Miro is perceiving them as lower-dimensional objects.

You're basically arguing:

Infinite spacetime appears as a dot to Miro.

Therefore:

Miro is 5D.

That conclusion does not follow.

What's missing is proof that the dot relationship comes from dimensional superiority rather than scale, compression, perspective, or cosmological structure.

Right now you've shown:

• Infinite spacetimes exist.
• Gods can create dimensions lower than themselves.
• Miro resides in an Upper Layer.
• Worlds can be represented as spots.

What you have not shown is that Miro specifically transcends a 4D spacetime via an additional spatial dimension.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

No, because you're skipping the most important step in the argument.

Seeing something as a "spot" does not automatically mean dimensional transcendence.

Likewise, a being can perceive an entire universe as a point due to distance, scale, perspective, compression mechanics, or cosmological structure without being 5D.

What you need to prove is not:

"She sees universes as spots."

What you need to prove is:

"She sees 4D spacetimes as lower-dimensional objects due to existing on a higher-dimensional axis."

Those are completely different claims.

The scan itself even explains that the worlds are compressed into spots. So the fact that they're represented as spots is already explained by the verse's own cosmology. You're treating the visual representation as proof of dimensional superiority when the text already provides another reason for why they appear that way.

And again, you're still relying on the exact same unsupported jump:

Infinite spacetime → appears as a spot → therefore Low 1-C.

Where is the proof that the "spot" relationship is dimensional rather than merely cosmological?

Where is the proof that Miro's realm transcends the spacetime structure itself?

Where is the proof of an additional spatial dimension?

Because right now all I see is:

• Infinite universes/spacetimes.
• A realm outside or above them.
• Universes represented as spots.

None of that automatically equals 5D. You're treating "looks small from a higher layer" as if it's synonymous with "is lower-dimensional." Those are not the same thing.

Okay, then what about this.



She created a said "spacetime(4d)" and then proceeds to say that even that even with the immortal function which finalizes the world, they still can't perceive her in reference, she also said that they're lower dimensional than her world as gods(referring to her and any other gods) can only create a world of lower dimension than her own existence.

She pulled the orb close to herself and cradled it between her palms. As she opened her arms wide, the village expanded, engulfing the temple.

Shirone glanced around. They were now within the village. He stood at one
end of a narrow path, the woman at the other. Everyone else remained motionless.

The woman approached the farmer working in the field.

"This farmer doesn‘t know how incomplete this world is because he was born here. There‘s only one way to become aware."

"Immortal Function."

"Correct. The Immortal Function expands one‘s perception to encompass the whole. This village exists within an orb. It would not be inaccurate to say there is no world beyond it."

She placed her hand on the farmer‘s shoulder. He transformed into light,
spreading across the entire sky. As she clenched her fist, the scene shrank again, and the village fit back into the orb.

Shirone stared at the orb, which glowed with light radiating from the farmer.

"This farmer expanded into the whole through the Immortal Function. Yet

even so, he cannot perceive me. And Shirone, the same goes for you."
V5C101

"Why would this be 4d?"
It's because it's a world that she created as a replica, basically a copy, And it has space and time.

"See, the farmer moved. Changing space means granting time. Can you see any difference between this and the world you lived in? No, this is what being a god is. Right now, I am the god of this village."
V5C101

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

You keep acting like the phrase "lower dimension" automatically means 5D > 4D, but that's not stated anywhere in the evidence you've shown.

Why would the verse specifically say it's 5d? The world that are said is referring to the spacetime which is 3 spatial dimensions and 1 time dimension therefore 4d, a space that are said to be a layer above that would be 5d, what wrong with it? Plus there's multiple statements of it being Higher dimensional space, and how it's above space and time. Furthermore Shirone specifically stated that the world has 3 spatial dimensions so in addition of time, it would be 4d.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Okay, then what about this.



She created a said "spacetime(4d)" and then proceeds to say that even that even with the immortal function which finalizes the world, they still can't perceive her in reference, she also said that they're lower dimensional than her world as gods(referring to her and any other gods) can only create a world of lower dimension than her own existence.

"Why would this be 4d?"
It's because it's a world that she created as a replica, basically a copy, And it has space and time.

You're still not proving Low 1-C. You're just repeating that the world has space and time and that Miro stands outside of it. Nobody is disputing that the village-world is a spacetime. The problem is that you're acting as if creating or standing outside a spacetime automatically makes someone 5D.

It doesn't.

The farmer gaining awareness of the entire world through the Immortal Function and still being unable to perceive Miro does not automatically mean Miro is higher-dimensional. It only proves that Miro exists outside the scope of what the farmer can observe. That's a superiority argument, not necessarily a dimensional one.

Likewise, this:

"Gods can only create worlds of lower dimensions than their own."

is the first genuinely relevant piece of evidence you've brought up. However, it still doesn't get you to Low 1-C by itself.

Why? Because you still haven't established what dimensional level the created world occupies in relation to Miro.

You're assuming:
World has space and time = 4D.

Miro created it.

Therefore Miro is 5D.

But where is the statement that the world's dimensionality is exactly one level below Miro's? Where is the proof that "lower dimension" is referring to an additional spatial axis rather than a more general hierarchy? The issue with this CRT is that every step after "the world is a spacetime" is being filled in with assumptions.

At best, you've shown:

• Miro created a spacetime.
• Miro exists outside that spacetime.
• Beings within it cannot perceive her.
• Gods create lower-dimensional worlds.

That establishes transcendence over the created world.

What it does not automatically establish is a Low 1-C relationship. You need a evidence of actual higher-dimensional superiority, not simply "creator > creation." Otherwise every creator deity who makes a universe and stands outside of it would instantly become Low 1-C, which is obviously not how the tiering system works.

So unless you can show that Miro's realm possesses an additional dimensional framework that transcends the complete spacetime structure of the world she created, I still do
n't see a convincing Low 1-C argument here.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

You're still not proving Low 1-C. You're just repeating that the world has space and time and that Miro stands outside of it. Nobody is disputing that the village-world is a spacetime. The problem is that you're acting as if creating or standing outside a spacetime automatically makes someone 5D.

I never said that, the verse specifically explains how even the immortal function which finalizes the world still couldn't perceive her, which is further proof of 5d.

The farmer gaining awareness of the entire world through the Immortal Function and still being unable to perceive Miro does not automatically mean Miro is higher-dimensional. It only proves that Miro exists outside the scope of what the farmer can observe. That's a superiority argument, not necessarily a dimensional one.

Which is what? What exactly is above 4d? Miro specifically stated that her world is above the farmers world.

Why? Because you still haven't established what dimensional level the created world occupies in relation to Miro.

Are we being fr rn? This is such a gpt reply

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

But where is the statement that the world's dimensionality is exactly one level below Miro's?

Let me ask you, what's the difference between space and time in this verse?

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Are we being fr rn? This is such a gpt reply

Lol "gpt reply" is crazy when you've spent the entire discussion repeating "higher dimension = 5D" without proving the actual jump.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Let me ask you, what's the difference between space and time in this verse?

What does that have to do with the point being discussed?

Nobody is arguing that the world isn't a spacetime. The question is whether Miro's realm is demonstrably higher-dimensional than that spacetime. I already accept the world is a spacetime. The problem is that you've never proven above a spacetime = 5D.

You're acting like establishing a 4D world automatically establishes a 5D creator. It doesn't. So instead of asking me what the difference between space and time is, explain where the verse demonstrates an actual higher-dimensional framework rather than just a superior realm existing beyond a universe. Because that's the part your argument keeps skipping over.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Lol "gpt reply" is crazy when you've spent the entire discussion repeating "higher dimension = 5D" without proving the actual jump.

Your just circulating the argument, I've already proven that it's 5d unless you somehow thinks a world above 4d is still 4d.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

The problem is that you've never proven above a spacetime = 5D.

She held the orb up to Shirone‘s face.

"A god is simply an architect who creates a realm of a lower dimension than their own. Even so, they seem omnipotent to those within that realm. That‘s the fascinating part. This farmer will never know that an external force moved him to the field."
V5C101

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[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

You're acting like establishing a 4D world automatically establishes a 5D creator.

Because that's what god is in this verse. Please read before you copy and paste it to gpt

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

It doesn't. So instead of asking me what the difference between space and time is, explain where the verse demonstrates an actual higher-dimensional framework rather than just a superior realm existing beyond a universe. Because that's the part your argument keeps skipping over.

I've never skipped anything, in fact I think it's very well explained, it's just that you never read any of it

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

What does that have to do with the point being discussed?

This is important, so what's a spacetime and how much dimensions does a default spacetime have?

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

I'm not going to keep repeating the same discussion in circles.

I've already explained why higher layer, higher dimension, and above spacetime do not automatically prove low 1-C. Your response has been to restate the exact same argument multiple times without addressing the criticism. At this point we're just looping world is 4D, miro is above it, therefore 5D. I've already explained why that conclusion requires additional proof. If you have new evidence that demonstrates an actual higher-dimensional relationship, feel free to present it.

Otherwise, I'm content to leave my disagreement as is, because neither of us is adding anything new to the discussion.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

I've already explained why higher layer, higher dimension, and above spacetime do not automatically prove low 1-C

What's higher in dimension than a 4d world?

 

[korea1234]

The scan is just saying that humans can't perceive beyond four dimensions, it's not stating that the outer world is 4d. also can you provide statements of MCS being above Miro in all aspects? Simply having a much better computational ability doesn't necessarily mean that it's completely above Miro's existence.

That wouldn't be the case as perception≠Existence. Being unable to perceive higher dimensions doesn't necessarily mean that the existence they're residing in is that of a lower dimension. Plus the scan never even said that the outside world is 4d it's just talking about how humans can't perceive beyond 4d.

Now you'll ask me "why would this only be referring to human perception?"
Well... You left out a large chunk of that scan.

they were simply referring to their own perception and how they and every other human in the world can't perceive higher dimensions.

The commander is being hypothesize to be moving in a space beyond their perception. And they weren't able to perceive it, simple as that.

I’m not just saying this because humans can’t perceive beyond the fourth dimension. It’s because MCS is stronger than Miro, yet even it can’t perceive beyond the fourth dimension.

I’ll post the data showing that MCS is stronger than Miro later. I’m busy right now.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

I’m not just saying this because humans can’t perceive beyond the fourth dimension. It’s because MCS is stronger than Miro, yet even it can’t perceive beyond the fourth dimension.

MCS is never stated to not be able to perceive it, humans are the one that are Stated to be be able to perceive it, not MCS.

Can you provide a statement that the Multiverse Computational System itself cannot perceive beyond four dimensions? The evidence you provided only says humans cannot perceive beyond four dimensions, while MCS not being able to detect Kuan's phase is treated as an exceptional anomaly and nothing here states anything about it being a dimensional limit.

 

[Lycoris4812]

It’s funny Ultima already agreed to 1-A for gods in verse.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

It’s funny Ultima already agreed to 1-A for gods in verse.

I'll get to that soon but first, I'll need to make a cosmology page for this verse and establish the cosmology before I'll go to that.

 

[Lycoris4812]

I'll get to that soon but first, I'll need to make a cosmology page for this verse and establish the cosmology before I'll go to that.

You don't even know the arguments, this whole crt is proof of that.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

You don't even know the arguments, this whole crt is proof of that.

Nahh ik what's the argument, this crt is to establish a pfp and a minimum scale for Miro. I already have a sandbox for it, just going to wait for this to be accepted and for the cosmology page to be release aswell...

 

[Lycoris4812]

Nahh ik what's the argument, this crt is to establish a pfp and a minimum scale for Miro. I already have a sandbox for it, just going to wait for this to be accepted and for the cosmology page to be release aswell...

If you know, you should have used the argument in the first place because it's a way better argument for Low 1-C and paves the way for 1-A.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

If you know, you should have used the argument in the first place because it's a way better argument for Low 1-C and paves the way for 1-A.

You do know that the power system of the verse haven't even been established yet right? I need to do that first before I go further, plus I'm quite busy making a long crt is such a hassle, I prefer to take it slow. Don't worry about it just input your opinion on this crt first, I don't wanna go and and explain everything bcs it'll derail this crt.

 

[Lycoris4812]

You do know that the power system of the verse haven't even been established yet right? I need to do that first before I go further, plus I'm quite busy making a long crt is such a hassle, I prefer to take it slow. Don't worry about it just input your opinion on this crt first, I don't wanna go and and explain everything bcs it'll derail this crt.

Nothing needs to be established. It's not even a long crt either and would suit you better than making a crt with bad arguments that doesn't get accepted and wastes your time.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Nothing needs to be established. It's not even a long crt either and would suit you better than making a crt with bad arguments that doesn't get accepted and wastes your time.

Sure buddy, whatever you say...