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Acheron vs Anti spiral.

Mm3 was a wincon for veldnava against zamasu btw just saying

Non 1-A with mm3 can affect 1-A without mm3 resistance and its not a 1-A anti feat
 
bro her MM3 requires anti-spiral to look into her mind (which I doubt is something he tends to do) and only results in traumatization.

it's really not a wincon (the fact that it's listed as limited probably should clue you in).
 
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Regarding mm3 the wiki says this

  • Limitations: Those who are capable of perceiving, understanding and/or experiencing that which is naturally extreme or incomprehensible should be able to ignore this. Likewise, unless there is evidence to suggest differently, beings whose physical forms are similarly complex or extreme in nature are likely to be unaffected by exposure to such a being.
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Considering the fact that AS is 11D, wouldn't his existence be more complex than her madness manip?
 
Regrettable said:
bro her MM3 requires anti-spiral to look into her mind (which I doubt is something he tends to do) and only results in traumatization.

it's really not a wincon (the fact that it's listed as limited probably should clue you in).
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No she can just open up the horizon of existence in which she get’s IX’s mm3. She does this upon transforming which should also apply to her own form since its the same as the one with mm3 in her base
 
Hawktaro said:
she gets one shot even before she tries to do a thing. i really want to understand how acheron is taking this considering anti spiral is a bible above her league
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spiral doesnt resist 5 layer time stop

timestop + transformation + speed boost and instant mm3 from IX + duraneg and powernull

also info 2 isnt indexed on spiral's profile still but ig we can let that slide for now
 
Tbh it doesn't even matter because Acheron has like resistance negation so it's over for anti spiral since resistance negation nowadays is so busted (it literally bypasses infinite layers of resistance just because the mechanisms differ) which is def a stomp for Acheron if im gonna vote here
 
Voidnether said:
Tbh it doesn't even matter because Acheron has like resistance negation so it's over for anti spiral since resistance negation nowadays is so busted (it literally bypasses infinite layers of resistance just because the mechanisms differ) which is def a stomp for Acheron if im gonna vote here
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you mean powernull? not resistence neg. i mean either way she has dura neg

voting acheron aswell
 
Mbpoops said:
you mean powernull? not resistence neg. i mean either way she has dura neg

voting acheron aswell
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i dont think a tier 3 is affecting a tier 1 that easily unless shes a busted smurf, plus her profile doesnt even have the range to affect him
 
Hawktaro said:
i dont think a tier 3 is affecting a tier 1 that easily unless shes a busted smurf, plus her profile doesnt even have the range to affect him
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Acheron is a smurf actually yeah, apparently it's still possible for dimensional based ability to be smurf in that Welt CRT thread a few minutes ago

Why is extradimensional 11-D not enough to affect Anti-Spiral?
 
Hawktaro said:
i dont think a tier 3 is affecting a tier 1 that easily unless shes a busted smurf, plus her profile doesnt even have the range to affect him
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??

pardon me if this seems a bit rude but did you read the profile?

durability negation:
The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of their durability.

range:
11D

madness manip 3 can affect basically anything on the wiki as long as they resist it. even 1-A though idk how specific it gets

powernull and resistance null she has which just nullifies resistances and abilities regardless of layerrs
 
Mbpoops said:
??

pardon me if this seems a bit rude but did you read the profile?

durability negation:
The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of their durability.

range:
11D

madness manip 3 can affect basically anything on the wiki as long as they resist it. even 1-A though idk how specific it gets

powernull and resistance null she has which just nullifies resistances and abilities regardless of layerrs
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Up to High 1-A for MM3 lol
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can we please add an NLF note regarding the durability negation page

it says on the dura neg page "The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of their durability" there are some people on here who think a 9-B character with dura neg can negate a Low 1-C characters durability or a High 1-A character's durability and this is assuming the...
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Hawktaro said:
i didnt read the notes, my bad. also im not much into honkai. btw, anti spiral also has EE and as i said before he outclasses her in every stat
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since speed is equalized and her drawing the blade imposes time hax and increases her stats, he doesn't get to hit her before she does.
 
its such a cheat code. i rly think in matchup threads acheron needs to start with unsheathed genuinely whats stopping her from winning any match just be speed amping herself and breaking the speed qualization
Hawktaro said:
does this even apply to omnipresence?
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his omnipresence seems to be bound to his own universe according to his profile. does something like that work outside of it? sorry i am not sure how matchup threads go
 
Hawktaro said:
as always speed equalization being bullshit does this even apply to omnipresence?
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his omnipresence is limited so idk how that really applies in vs matchups but ehhhh does he start omnipresent or is that one of his transformations
 
Nighting4l33yes said:
its such a cheat code. i rly think in matchup threads acheron needs to start with unsheathed genuinely whats stopping her from winning any match just be speed amping herself and breaking the speed qualization

his omnipresence seems to be bound to his own universe according to his profile. does something like that work outside of it? sorry i am not sure how matchup threads go
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he can trap people in the domain. that's why i said it was a one-shot, as she will be attacked from literally everywhere with guaranteed damage
 
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