Invincible Season 4 General Discussion Thread

[Tahoy49574]

I'm done with the new season.
If I may ask (It's not required to answer, just a casual question from this curious, arguably somewhat lazy user.), what conclusions has the new season resulted in the completed application of?

The three biggest feats of this season are heavily debated each for their own reasons so that's fun

Also check this CRT one last time, I swear it's the last

TV Invincible Speed CRT

Today we'll be discussing one of the most overlooked stats in the verse: Speed (TV version). I have to note that a good chunk of the basis of this is from a thread that I had to abandon due to time issues, and it's a bit old now. It's better this way regardless, as I can go in-depth on this...

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[Tahoy49574]

If conquest is essentially beating BB up without a sword, makes you wonder how nerfed Thragg was or how much stronger BB had become after years.

I'm expecting Wagula gives him a last minute power-up or something, because he's high-diffing Conquest at best right now

 

[Tahoy49574]

I swear, if Capes somehow lasts longer than Battle Beast

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Holy... that was a good chapter. Conquest is mid-diffing Battle Beast at worst, so I wonder how Ryan is gonna explain BB's standstill against Thragg. Secret powerup? Years of training? Or maybe more happened in the Thragg fight then we were meant to believe.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Holy... that was a good chapter. Conquest is mid-diffing Battle Beast at worst, so I wonder how Ryan is gonna explain BB's standstill against Thragg. Secret powerup? Years of training? Or maybe more happened in the Thragg fight then we were meant to believe.

I was joking before but maybe they do end up also covering what happened to him from #76 to #106 and that explains how he got much stronger. If that actually happens then giving him two keys would be necessary

 

[AguilaR202]

not the writers trying to gaslight us into thinking BB vs Thragg wasn’t close.

 

[Tahoy49574]

So we agree the Titans of Emsiu are around Conquest-level, right ? That'd make some interesting matches

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

So we agree the Titans of Emsiu are around Conquest-level, right ? That'd make some interesting matches

Not really? Conquest was under the impression he was being sent to a 2v1 and was still confident in winning. He's also currently handling Battle Beast with pretty low difficulty who beat them both at the same time. I'd argue they're more around average viltrumite level or below looking at Battle Beasts performace against that random Viltrumite during the prison escape vs them individually.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Battle Beasts performace against that random Viltrumite during the prison escape vs them individually.

He was letting that drag out to enjoy it. Next time we see him he literally ripped him apart, and during the assault on Viltrum he's manhandling multiple viltrumites.
Also in this same issue Conquest admits he underestimated the whole situation and recognizes Battle Beast is really strong, that's why he's going all out

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I was joking before but maybe they do end up also covering what happened to him from #76 to #106 and that explains how he got much stronger. If that actually happens then giving him two keys would be necessary

Spoiler

I doubt it considering how they view matchups/fights

https://www.deviantart.com/ryanottl...5737891#:~:text=This page was,was born. Enjoy

 

[Tahoy49574]

Spoiler

I doubt it considering how they view matchups/fights

https://www.deviantart.com/ryanottley/art/Fight-scene-BITE-535737891#:~:text=This page was,was born. Enjoy

Ok but Thragg is so much stronger than Conquest that he's terrified of him, it wouldn't make sense if they were somewhat close at all. He's literally capable of ripping the head off someone who can also AP stomp Mark and Nolan

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Ok but Thragg is so much stronger than Conquest that he's terrified of him, it wouldn't make sense if they were somewhat close at all. He's literally capable of ripping the head off someone who can also AP stomp Mark and Nolan

must not be that big of a gap then, were never really given an exact expiation of why his scared of thragg in particular tbh, despite the fact his not afraid to die in combat. I'm sure it's partly do to his strength cuz hype but clearly with conquest being like the second strongest viltrumite in the empire there's probably more to it(bro even almost challenged thragg in the show to).

 

[Tahoy49574]

must not be that big of a gap then, were never really given an exact expiation of why his scared of thragg in particular tbh, despite the fact his not afraid to die in combat. I'm sure it's partly do to his strength cuz hype but clearly with conquest being like the second strongest viltrumite in the empire there's probably more to it(bro even almost challenged thragg in the show to).

Thragg mentions even Conquest fears him after Mark attacks him, it's obviously meant to be about strength

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Thragg mentions even Conquest fears him after Mark attacks him, it's obviously meant to be about strength

it is as I've said, point is that's not everything to it though.

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

He was letting that drag out to enjoy it. Next time we see him he literally ripped him apart, and during the assault on Viltrum he's manhandling multiple viltrumites.
Also in this same issue Conquest admits he underestimated the whole situation and recognizes Battle Beast is really strong, that's why he's going all out

After looking back at all the BB fights, he is portrayed as above individual Viltrumite but still has to put effort into beating them (Before the Thragg fight). The one he fought during the prison escape traded several blows with him and had him bleeding quite a bit. Compare that to the colossus where he wasn't even able to make BB bleed with the exception of when BB headbutted his teeth, which is made of the same material as their blades. He also never said "More" which is what he usually says when he meets a worthy opponent and never considered the Colossus a worthy foe, which Viltrumites are considered as. Hell, he 2v1 them with less difficulty than when he fought the prison guard. Point is, they are nowhere near Conquests level who is currently beating the hell out of BB. The only thing of theirs that is conquest level is their swords.

 

[InfinityUltron]

I'm done with the new season.
If I may ask (It's not required to answer, just a casual question from this curious, arguably somewhat lazy user.), what conclusions has the new season resulted in the completed application of?

If I remember correctly, excluding the Current CRTs which are trying to change profiles of S1-S3 Characters.

I think we have feats like these calcs which haven't really been added yet but would ultimately upgrade the Verse to Small Planetary to Planetary ranges at least. We have Season 4 Profiles already so... Maybe it's time to add these changes if the Mods reappear from their vacation

 

[Tahoy49574]

After looking back at all the BB fights, he is portrayed as above individual Viltrumite but still has to put effort into beating them (Before the Thragg fight). The one he fought during the prison escape traded several blows with him and had him bleeding quite a bit. Compare that to the colossus where he wasn't even able to make BB bleed with the exception of when BB headbutted his teeth, which is made of the same material as their blades. He also never said "More" which is what he usually says when he meets a worthy opponent and never considered the Colossus a worthy foe, which Viltrumites are considered as. Hell, he 2v1 them with less difficulty than when he fought the prison guard. Point is, they are nowhere near Conquests level who is currently beating the hell out of BB. The only thing of theirs that is conquest level is their swords.

We're really clinging to that prison fight despite knowing how that ends for the viltrumite. The Titans may be worse in overall prowess/ability but still can tank his hits and the Colossus, while in a weakened state, matched Battle Beast and put him in a chokehold, to which he had to bite his way out

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Ok but Thragg is so much stronger than Conquest that he's terrified of him, it wouldn't make sense if they were somewhat close at all. He's literally capable of ripping the head off someone who can also AP stomp Mark and Nolan

Thadeus doesn't AP stomp Mark and Nolan at all, what are you even talking about??

 

[Tahoy49574]

Thadeus doesn't AP stomp Mark and Nolan at all, what are you even talking about??

Obviously I'm talking about Allen

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Obviously I'm talkinga about Allen

Right, he did say that he can take Allen's head off that time...

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

Titans of Emsiu are around Conquest-level

Nah. Battle Beast is clearly losing to Conquest without the magic sword while he killed the first titan fair and square without a magic sword, stalemated the second, then killed and ate both by himself with the magic sword.

Conquest vs him is going to be a multi-chapter long affair where neither will die.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Nah. Battle Beast is clearly losing to Conquest without the magic sword while he killed the first titan fair and square without a magic sword, stalemated the second, then killed and ate both by himself with the magic sword.

Conquest vs him is going to be a multi-chapter long affair where neither will die.

The Titans may be worse in overall prowess/ability but still can tank his hits and the Colossus, while in a weakened state, matched Battle Beast and put him in a chokehold, to which he had to bite his way out

The way I see it in terms of raw strength is:

Colossus < Battle Beast < Juggernaut < Conquest

With each link representing a noticeable but not terribly big gap between two (Juggernaut is noticeably but not terribly stronger than Colossus, same for Conquest and Battle Beast)

Also for sure they should have "far higher with bodily weaponry" why do people not wait or ask before doing profile

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

The way I see it in terms of raw strength is:

Colossus < Battle Beast < Juggernaut < Conquest

With each link representing a noticeable but not terribly big gap between two (Juggernaut is noticeably but not terribly stronger than Colossus, same for Conquest and Battle Beast)

Also for sure they should have "far higher with bodily weaponry" why do people not wait or ask before doing profile

I mean BB made it pretty clear she had no chance of beating him in a 1v1. And even with backup bro slapped her around while having a meal, he should be stronger then her tbh.

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

Yea Conquest is hilarious.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Yea Conquest is hilarious.

New icon for the verse page dropped

 

[DaReaperMan]

New icon for the verse page dropped

He looks like a sex god

 

[Tahoy49574]

I mean BB made it pretty clear she had no chance of beating him in a 1v1. And even with backup bro slapped her around while having a meal, he should be stronger then her tbh.

Are we forgetting they're using weapons ? She can't beat him because he's much more skilled than both of them, what I'm talking about is physicality. The comic constantly hammers down how strong she is compared to her brother, if even then she was weaker than Battle Beast then the issue 1 fight would've been even shorter and they wouldn't have had Battle Beast mention the Colossus put a more intense fight if he wasn't at least close to him

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Are we forgetting they're using weapons ? She can't beat him because he's much more skilled than both of them, what I'm talking about is physicality. The comic constantly hammers down how strong she is compared to her brother, if even then she was weaker than Battle Beast then the issue 1 fight would've been even shorter and they wouldn't have had Battle Beast mention the Colossus put a more intense fight if he wasn't at least close to him

no, but the fact bro thought she stood no chance against him to the point bro thought of leaving an't a good look. neither have shown to be physically superior to him. BB said her brother put up a better fight because she wasn't impressing him, shoot he even said he killed her brother easily in the next issue after there first fight. Even after getting stabbed he almost immediately thought she wasn't strong enough to kill him.

Spoiler

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Its pretty clear its: Colossus<Juggernaut <Battle Beast =< Conquest with what's been shown thus far
The Colossus and Juggernaut being able to grapple and momentarily restrain Battle Beast is not really grounds for scaling as weaker characters in the verse are very commonly shown able to grapple with physically superior opponents. We also see when it comes to instances of physical blows between them and BB, they more often than not knock BB away without really dealing any damage whereas BB is shown busting there faces open with headbutts and kicks.

 

[Tahoy49574]

We also see when it comes to instances of physical blows between them and BB, they more often than not knock BB away without really dealing any damage whereas BB is shown busting there faces open with headbutts and kicks.

Most damage he's dealt to them physically is knocking their teeth out (and that still hurts him quite a bit) and biting them, otherwise they've taken hits from him with no issue

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Most damage he's dealt to them physically is knocking their teeth out (and that still hurts him quite a bit) and biting them, otherwise they've taken hits from him with no issue

Not really helping your case. Two of those show him drawing blood and the only one that doesn't and is with him at full power (aka without a sword in his chest) is while he was on the ground without leverage and was meant to create distance between the two so he could get up. Meanwhile there isn't a single instance of either of them drawing blood from Battle Beast with their physical blows. Add that neither of them are considered worthy by BB and that kills all chances of scaling to Viltrumites let alone Conquest.