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The best archer in New Eridu versus the best of the MCU. (MCU vs ZZZ) (2-0-0)

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Hawkeye: 2 ( @Sooshirohl @Pyro9278 )
  • Hawkeye is in character.
  • He has prior knowledge of the AP gap.
Asaba Harumasa:
  • Harumasa is in character.
  • He has prior knowledge of Hawkeye's arrows.
The fight takes place in the streets of New Eridu, starting 100 meters apart on separate streets. Equal Speed and SBA from the rest.
 
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Wait... since when does Harumasa have matchups...?

Guys quick lets make a crt and add whatever new crap he has now
 
Wait... since when does Harumasa have matchups...?

Guys quick lets make a crt and add whatever new crap he has now
at some point i'll go back and update the profiles of the potential vision characters (ellen, lycaon, grace, burnice, harumasa) since they all got new stuff added to their base kits

anyways, i think they should be relative-ish as far as AP goes. hawkeye's 8-C value is higher than harumasa's, but harumasa upscales his 8-C value, but hawkeye scales above his 8-C value with his arrows, but harumasa also has multiple ways of boosting his damage. so for the most part, i would say they're relatively even here, i don't think either has too big of an advantage over the other

however, unlike harumasa, hawkeye's AP value doesn't scale to his durability, which means that harumasa's attacks are going to hurt a lot more against hawkeye than vice versa. additionally, harumasa also has a pretty massive LS advantage, so he if he can get to the point of being able to engage in CQC with hawkeye then i think hawkeye is probably just gonna get LS diffed

the biggest tool in hawkeye's kit is obviously gonna be his variety of trick arrows. stun arrows and pym particle arrows would basically act as instant incaps if they landed, and stuff like the thermal arrow and acid arrow would also pack more of a punch compared to hawkeye's standard arrows. things like the luminous arrow and smoke arrow would also serve as really good distraction/blinding options if harumasa gets too close to him

does harumasa having prior knowledge of hawkeye's arrows mean that he just has knowledge that clint has specialized arrows, or does he specifically know all of the different kinds of trick arrows he has? regardless, he's cautious enough to try and avoid getting hit by any arrows, but having knowledge that he could potentially get insta-incapped by stuff like the stun and pym particle arrow would probably make him play a lot more carefully in an archer duel
 
Ik speed is equalized and all, but would Harumasa's awakened dash help? It does make him far faster, so I like to think he could still eventually """teleport""" towards Hawkeye and slash him lmao

Just a thought btw, ill let actual srgument be birthed
 
Ik speed is equalized and all, but would Harumasa's awakened dash help? It does make him far faster, so I like to think he could still eventually """teleport""" towards Hawkeye and slash him lmao
tbf harumasa has to actually accumulate enough hits on clint to actually mark him, and given speed is equalized here i think clint should probably be able to react to the arrows and either dodge them or just counter them directly with his own arrows

plus harumasa's arrows are going to be like, 4x stronger than clint's durability anyways. if harumasa even lands a single shot on him he's probably going to be pretty lethally wounded, and at that point harumasa shouldn't have as much trouble closing the distance and just finishing clint off that way
 
tbf harumasa has to actually accumulate enough hits on clint to actually mark him
Nonono Harumasa just looks immediately at a nearby wall or whatever and starts to shoot it until he has all the needed quivers, and THEN he does pro slashing, i thought we all knew he does that at the start of a fight to confuse his opponents/have quivers ready smh

Jokes aside uhh im voting for Haru here, mostly out of bias but also because of your points
 
Something I want to point out is that the AP gap would be the same as the one between Captain America and Caesar in their match, only it's probably higher in Hawkeye's favor because he scales higher than 8-C. Also, between the two, I think Hawkeye has better marksmanship and seems to be able to defend himself better in melee combat, although I don't know if Harumasa's profile isn't updated yet with his martial arts skills, but it seems like Hawkeye would defend himself better.

By the way, Harumasa is only aware that Hawkeye has special arrows. I think they could both fatally injure each other with casual shots due to the AP gap between them and the nature of their attacks, since an arrow isn't a punch that's going to pierce.
 
Something I want to point out is that the AP gap would be the same as the one between Captain America and Caesar in their match, only it's probably higher in Hawkeye's favor because he scales higher than 8-C. Also, between the two, I think Hawkeye has better marksmanship and seems to be able to defend himself better in melee combat, although I don't know if Harumasa's profile isn't updated yet with his martial arts skills, but it seems like Hawkeye would defend himself better.
hawkeye should be more skilled yeah. though the reason i bring up harumasa being able to subdue clint in melee range is cause of the massive LS disparity. class 5 vs. class M is kind of just a doozy, even if clint is likely the more skilled fighter

also kinda forgot about this, but a single shot from harumasa would also be able to pretty much instantly incap him as shown here, so i think it probably does just come down to who manages to land a hit against the other first. given hawkeye should be the more skilled marksman of the two, on top of the fact that he has multiple different options to catch harumasa off guard to land a direct hit, i feel like he'd probably get one of his incap options off first
 
oh i'm just realizing i didn't actually cast a vote for this lol

i'm gonna go hawkeye, i think his trick arrows give him more options to setup an incap, plus the fact that he should just be the more skilled marksman makes me believe he'd be able to get a hit off with one of his arrows before harumasa tags him
 
oh i'm just realizing i didn't actually cast a vote for this lol

i'm gonna go hawkeye, i think his trick arrows give him more options to setup an incap, plus the fact that he should just be the more skilled marksman makes me believe he'd be able to get a hit off with one of his arrows before harumasa tags him
The vote is counted. I'll also vote for Hawkeye. I have a feeling Harumasa could win if he somehow surprises Hawkeye, but given Hawkeye's experience and skill, I see him flanking him most of the time. And considering it's an archers' duel, the probability of melee combat is low, so things like LS won't be very useful.
 
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