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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

Phsccarvalho said:
Well, he's encased in armor.

I could even say "force users don't seem to die instantly from force lightning," but I think that's more a matter of lore than an attempt to show that they actively resist. I mean, I think so.

Because when it's designed to kill, well, it's devastating.
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But Vader also on and off takes lightsaber swings without issue! (in canon lol) He has good heat resistance!
 
Xavis10 said:
Fear not, there's likely some leeway for that
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They probably exist, even if only probably, but their combat capabilities are very vague. As far as I remember, the most we have is Anakin farming aura and repelling specters in Shadow of the Sith and him facing Ahsoka in her series, although there's debate about whether it was real or not.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
But I wish Force Spiritis were tier 2.

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For another high dimensional feat in the EU, Darth Ramage in the Darth Plagueis novel "popped" the light side bubble the encompassed the galaxy.

Where an extremely low midi-chlorian count might have bolstered the odds of survival, nature had instead made the ysalimir species strong in the Force. So strong, in fact, that several of the creatures acting in concert could create a Force bubble encompassing kilometers rather than meters. In a sense, the Jedi Order had done the same on a galactic scale, Plagueis believed, by bathing the galaxy in the energy of the light side of the Force; or more accurately by fashioning a Force bubble that had prevented infiltration by the dark side, until Tenebrous's Master had succeeded in bursting the bubble, or at least shrinking it. How the Order's actions could be thought of as balancing the Force had baffled generations of Sith, who harbored no delusions regarding the Force's ability to self-regulate.

One hundred years earlier, Tenebrous's Twi'lek Master had opened a small rend in the fabric of the Force, allowing the dark side to be felt by the Jedi Order for the first time in more than eight hundred years. That had been the inauguration, the commencement of the revenge of the Sith. And now the time had come to enlarge that rend into a gaping hole, a gaping wound, into which the Republic and the Jedi Order would to their own hazard be drawn.
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There isn't a literal "light side bubble" as the light side is an aspect of the Force over being physical, so it's more that Ramage is able to affect the Force in such a way that the Dark Side is able to overtake the Light Side. This would be possibly a 4-D to 5-D feat.
 
Xavis10 said:
4-B is unlikely. But some degree of 4-C is possible, if we decide to interpret the explosion being visible from the Outer Rim seriously.
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Well, Naga Sadow's supernova was said to have destroyed the star system it was in, so it's either just figurative language of a 2 FOE Supernova or the feat is indeed 4-B, in which case we would calc it. I'm more in line with the first option, however, so if anything we could track of there are natural phenomena of that scale outside of supernovas in Legends like GRBs or a black hole collision
 
Phsccarvalho said:
but their combat capabilities are very vague. [1] As far as I remember, the most we have is Anakin farming aura and repelling specters in Shadow of the Sith and him facing Ahsoka in her series, although there's debate about whether it was real or not. [2]
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1 - nonexistent.

2 - it's "real" in the sense of it happening, but Anakin didn't have authority and/or control over the WBW. Until Ahsoka S2 comes out (couple more billion years), we won't be able to say otherwise.
 
TyranoDoom30 said:
Well, Naga Sadow's supernova was said to have destroyed the star system it was in, so it's either just figurative language of a 2 FOE Supernova or the feat is indeed 4-B, in which case we would calc it. I'm more in line with the first option, however, so if anything we could track of there are natural phenomena of that scale outside of supernovas in Legends like GRBs or a black hole collision
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It's the first option, Sadow didn't cause the supernova itself, only the flares that led to it on both occasions - a good feat nonetheless.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
There isn't a literal "light side bubble" as the light side is an aspect of the Force over being physical, so it's more that Ramage is able to affect the Force in such a way that the Dark Side is able to overtake the Light Side. This would be possibly a 4-D to 5-D feat.
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The bubble is indeed literal, just not physical. One doesn't preclude the other.
 
Xavis10 said:
1 - nonexistent.

2 - it's "real" in the sense of it happening, but Anakin didn't have authority and/or control over the WBW. Until Ahsoka S2 comes out (couple more billion years), we won't be able to say otherwise.
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I think the most we could do is use durability for AP via UES.

Like in Vader's old 8-A. He survived the temple explosion and through UES he could use the power of durability for attack.

Then I think we could use the idea of the Force Spirits being one with the Force (reality) to give them durability based on cosmology and spread it across AP via UES.

But wow, that's a huge maneuver.
 
Epyriel said:
Yeah, it also has exactly nothing to do with the Idol of Shaa.
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It does to the extent that the destruction would be visible from the outer rim, which definitely points to the feat releasing far, far more energy than planetary.
 
-> He's talking about canon.
-> Use the ROTS novel.
-> Use George Lucas's statements.


I feel like 90% of Star Wars fans still think they're in the 2000s.

I'm not even talking about the discussion, but how they seem unaware that we're in 2026.
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OTG0001 said:
It does to the extent that the destruction would be visible from the outer rim, which definitely points to the feat releasing far, far more energy than planetary.
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If we are taking that statement literally, that would be something you need to actually calculate.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Just goes to show how hard it is to explain things beyond the physical 3-dimensional realm, especially with how conceptual a "light force bubble" is.
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I mean the strength of any given side is dependent on the users feeding the force, that's why the death of jedi made the light side wane almost completely, so this is probably a much greater feat if Ramage can preform a light side cleansing (specifically noted as "extinguishing" the bubble), even if temporarily. We also know that the Living Force is not merely relegated to the galaxy as well.
 
OTG0001 said:
I mean the strength of any given side is dependent on the users feeding the force, that's why the death of jedi made the light side wane almost completely, so this is probably a much greater feat if Ramage can preform a light side cleansing (specifically noted as "extinguishing" the bubble), even if temporarily. We also know that the Living Force is not merely relegated to the galaxy as well.
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You know, when I created this thread everyone had a problem with scaling Nihilus to the Living Force, but with popping the Light Side Bubble, how is it so ridiculous exactly?
 
Xavis10 said:
Because Nihilus doesn't show anything that could scale him "to" the Living Force. And neither does Ramage, the bubble feat doesn't entail such.
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Of course I wouldn't say that Nihilus = the Living Force, but would have the same dimensionality as it to be able to affect it
 
Phsccarvalho said:
6C vader
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Speaking of which, I'd like to talk to you guys about this.

It was an Executioner who fired all the turbolasers. Vader was inside a tank and wasn't destroyed, even though, well, that thing was tier 6 and for some reason the tank withstood it.
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Some guy had this question and asked the comic artist if Vader used the Force to protect himself, since that's how he interpreted it. And the comic artist agreed.
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But I think this violates the vsbattle rules about asking WOG?
 
Should we give this thread some CPR?

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Lightsaber calculations

https://www.iter.org/facts-figures I know about the machines, I'm saying where's the proof lightsabers are as hot as those. Tokamaks work to contain plasma in a magnetic field after all The small wires in a battery operated device and the huge wires at a power station both work via current...
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Should we give this thread some CPR?

vsbattles.com

Lightsaber calculations

https://www.iter.org/facts-figures I know about the machines, I'm saying where's the proof lightsabers are as hot as those. Tokamaks work to contain plasma in a magnetic field after all The small wires in a battery operated device and the huge wires at a power station both work via current...
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That would be good. But it seems like no staff member is interested.

Metal Gear managed a huge heat hax upgrade with calculations. And even if it were a downgrade, at least it would be more precise.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Speaking of which, I'd like to talk to you guys about this.

It was an Executioner who fired all the turbolasers. Vader was inside a tank and wasn't destroyed, even though, well, that thing was tier 6 and for some reason the tank withstood it.
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Some guy had this question and asked the comic artist if Vader used the Force to protect himself, since that's how he interpreted it. And the comic artist agreed.
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But I think this violates the vsbattle rules about asking WOG?
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Yeah it is bit weird since that is a way smaller explosion than what we’ve seen elsewhere from turbolaser fire. Maybe they weren’t fully intensifying their firepower by diverting reactor power like in the BDZ? Would also help explain some rather lacklustre scenes from Rebels.
 
I just want to know if this breaks the WOG rules, because if not, we can use the Executor's high 7-A or 6-C. Since we already have a direct statement about Star Destroyers being the second most powerful weapon of the Empire, while Vader is the first. So it stays consistent.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Of course I wouldn't say that Nihilus = the Living Force, but would have the same dimensionality as it to be able to affect it
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Well, almost all force users have some degree of higher dimensional existence anyways, but it's not enough to warrant a tier escalation.

Living Force is unlikely to be definable by dimensions anyways, should be in the High 1-A+ ranges, but it'll take a while for that to be a thing in this wiki, and by a while what's meant is a billion years.
 
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