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Looks like mid to high end 9-A, I’ll try calculating it later. Though that structure really is inconsistent, why is the bottom part so small? The statues of Shingen and the other 3 will also take some guess work.
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This has nothing to do with perspective. In the new chapter, this statue was drawn inconsistently a total of two times.
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To be fair it still does, but its more about class issues and how social discrimination leads people to crime
We can't have 600+ chapters where every arc is just "hot people can be evil, ugly people can be good! People will judge others unfairly just because they are ugly" etc
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Probably just forgot to include him tbh, though a caveat is that he should be >= 50% Tom Lee so it'd be Likely High 8-C
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Lowkey not true SMK fought a weak version of King who didn't had God's Realm and his Body was crumbling every second meaning he was weakening yet SMK needed Closer's help to nip his leg off and end him
And ragdolling Tom isn't really a good feat even 2A yunseong and Mandeok were sending him flying, also to add up King says his attacks didn't went through Tom at all, the same attacks that put down 100% patch Hansu
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Calc'd: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CatLover313/Lookism:_Gapryong_destroys_Yamazaki_statue
Def inconsistent but not like it effects any scaling, putting it as a priority 4
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King only put down Hansu after an extensive battle and because Hansu was handicapped by an injury— he also had more endurance and stamina because of his physique. Hansu when he got serious was breaking King's bones with each attack. And even after he kept beating Hansu, Hansu was able to remain conscious long enough to pierce King's chest with his fingers. Even Jincheol was capable of going up against King and taking attacks from him with relatively little damage and was only really surprised because of King's superhuman endurance allowing him to fight at peak condition constantly rather than just his raw strength.
This also doesn't erase the countless other times Kim harms and fights on par with Tom.
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In the second panel, it wouldn't be correct to use the statue's height as a reference because of perspective. That would inflate the results.
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What would be a better reference point than? I changed it to using the Japanese guy at the bottom with the average height of 1.71 meters and got even bigger results (not much bigger but like a 25% increase).
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Sending people flying is generally not even a feat, since those kinds of movements tend to only support body weight, and we must remember that in Lookism we are dealing with humans who surely weigh between 70 and 100 kg exerting forces massively greater than Class 5.
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Again, nah. Hansu wasn't injured, he was just old. We see that in the flashback panel... it wasn't about injury, it was just him getting old. I mean, every character from the Old Gen is just old and out of their prime.
And again, I'm saying Hansu was barely able to hold onto his consciousness to deliver that blow to the heart. Meanwhile Tom literally took no damage, as King himself said: "none of my attacks went through him.” English may not be my first language, but I'm sure I know that means low to no damage.
So that's the comparison: a guy who got laid out by King after he used God's Realm, vs a guy who barely took any damage despite King using God's Realm.
Nope. Base Jincheol barely did any damage to King. He almost got knocked down from the helicopter. He needed War Mode and a flashback to get back into the damn aircraft, and yet he didn't fight King. He just slammed the pilot and took 3 chapters with him. He barely fought King, and the moment he got overwhelmed he dipped out.
Yeah, but during those encounters Tom never went all out. During their last fight he was drunk or holding back. And to back this up, Manager Kim literally says nothing would work against Tom (he meant weapons) and he wouldn't imagine Tom losing to something while he himself had wires wrapped on his fist.
And the biggest statement/feat that favours Tom being above SMK: during the Interview he damaged SMK's arm so badly that it was barely usable for the next 80 chapters, while Tom barely had any injury from the Interview. The only reason he stopped was because SMK was destroying his furniture.
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Does it matter what the reason is, lol? The point of the argument is that he was handicapped by something, whether an injury or simple physical aging.
He literally didn't get "laid out," though. Hansu was matching him up until a certain point and was having several clashes with him and even breaking his bones. And Tom didn't even take "no damage," just because he wasn't bleeding from his nose. Tom took damage and acknowledged that King was putting up a good fight, and King even caught one of enraged Tom's punches.
He didn't get overwhelmed, he was fine, he specifically notes the God's Realm giving King superhuman endurance rather than the damage he took from his attacks.
He can hold back his strength and not his durability. Kim does harm Tom multiple times with both his bare hands and his wires, that's a fact, the fact that he's just physically weaker than Tom means he downscales.
Yeah, but these guys also can overpower people trying to lift or throw them all the time. I feel like if you can do that, then it's a clear showing of superior or at least comparable strength.
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By that logic, Tom is more handicapped than Hansu, yet he didn't get laid out despite not having his dominant hand. Out of his prime, by his own words, Tom would have one-shot King if they were in their primes. Just because he isn't in his prime doesn't mean he's handicapped, when Tom is literally handicapped by the textbook definition.
Literally laid out after King used God's Realm.
While Tom didn't even have a scratch when King used God's Realm, he was ready to slam King. He only stopped because Jincheol gave him the soft copy of the letter
Can you quote me where Tom admits he got hurt by that attack? Because if I remember correctly, he just said "Gimme more and fight harder to make me forget this pain," something like that. And catching punch isn't even good feat since King already healed himself via God's Realm, so he was back to peak conditioning
Again, not true. He did no damage, got thrown out of the aircraft by 2-3 hits, then got a flashback and used War Mode just to slam the pilot and dip out with his people.
So yeah if gets flashback and needs mode instead of base, I think it's safe to say that Jincheol got overwhelmed
Nope, I don't really remember Kim ever giving Tom an almost crippling injury like Tom gave Kim. The only thing I remember is him giving him nosebleeds. So can you show me where Kim gave Tom some serious damage, like Tom gave to Kim?
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There is no "using" or not using it. He's in that state perpetually. He doesn't activate it. Hansu was matching him when he was in God's Realm the entire time and doing damage; you can't just ignore him literally breaking King's bones.
Again, why does this matter? Tom scales to High 8-C whether he's in his prime or aged. Whether or not he's fighting an old Tom Lee or a young one, that's scaling regardless.
How does this prove the feat isn't good?
He was in peak condition, so him literally visibly overpowering Tom isn't a feat? Tom is literally bruised visibly, you can see that he took damage.Getting thrown out of the aircraft didn't deal any damage to him. He was still completely fine.
He slices Tom and makes him bleed a bunch with his wires. And even giving him serious nosebleeds like that means he at the very least downscales anyways.
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Still doesn't put him above Tom though, because Hansu broke his own bones. So for durability, King and Hansu are equal. And Tom with Unique Skill should casually be above King, so that means he's above Hansu as well. And him maintaining his prime is passive ability not regen we literally see he needs to focus to heal himself if he had passive regeneration, he could have healed whole fighting Tom or Hansu, but nah he literally takes a step away and focuses to use it
Valid point but still doesn't change about other's scaling, they can get possibly rating but i don't think they shown anything impressive to get above possibly. S2 versions might get higher ratings but again lack of feats
Again, no damage, not even a nosebleed. And King, the attacker himself, said his attack didn't go through him. So if the attacker isn't sure, then how are you saying Tom got damaged? And where does Tom acknowledge he got damaged by that attack? There aren't even any bruises, and Tom literally said he was letting himself get attacked, as i quoted earlier where he demands to get more hits.How does this prove the feat isn't good?
Yeah getting thrown out of Aircraft isn't big deal but needing A Flashback and And Literal Phase/Mode/Amp is sign of getting overwhelmed/overpowered it's like saying Hudson didn't got overwhelmed by Arin just because Hudson had flashback and needed Amp of Strength Mastery to beat Arin
Slicing isn't really a good feat since sharp things can still negate durability in the PTJ verse. And even I thought a nosebleed was enough but few days ago Pyro corrected me, since it falls under haemoptysis, so it isn't usable. And I also think we shouldn't consider that damaging, since Pre-3A Johan was able to make Tom nosebleed. If we go by that, then we go through the "Everyone being H8C" crisis.
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This didn’t solve the problem. Because the angle is bad, the characters appear smaller. This inflates the result.
Find the forearm length of the statue in the first panel. If you use that as a reference in the second panel, it would be better.
Also, you must not forget that not all of the volume has been fragmented.
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I'm not putting anyone above Tom. I know they're weaker. But they pretty clearly downscale from him, Kim isn't thousands of times weaker.
I could agree with a possibly rating but it's pretty clear that they just straight up downscale from him.
His face is literally purple and bruised from the damage he took from the punches, visibly. Him saying the attacks didn't go through doesn't mean Tom took literally zero damage from the attack, if King was orders of magnitudes weaker he wouldn't have been able to catch Tom's punch.
You're still focusing on semantics. Whether or not he needed a flashback for it doesn't matter, the fact of the matter is that he was physically not really that harmed.
I mean, not really? Characters tank blades all the time, and you still need a level of relativity to your opponent to damage them even with a weapon. Also, wdym by falls under Hemoptysis?
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Again the "damage" Was just his veins popping and no bruises and if you think darkened part might be side effect of his vein popping which again can be dismissed since there was no other visible damage than bare side effects which Tom didn't even carried afterwards cause in next panels his face was alright but for your clear of your mind let's say it was damage even if we consider it, it was barely noticeable damage to even let it assume that they might have relativity, which would only upscale hansu not other two cause one was smugged by King and other ran away from King
Yeah, but he did get overwhelmed and overpowered. That made him retreat from the battle by using a mode, meaning even War Mode wouldn't be enough for King. And he also did zero damage to King while King easily overpowered him and threw him out.
Nah, they don't. Greatest example: Shingen dying to fodder throwing swords at him.
Second example: Aurora able to poke Sophia's neck despite she was tiers above him. Which means they can still get their skin pierced or slashed by characters who are tiers below the Circles of Hell.
Haemoptysis
Haemoptysis is the act of coughing up blood. This is caused from the force of blunt attacks damaging blood vessels, causing blood and fluids to build up in your lungs. This created the popular notion that characters are getting their durability bypassed. This a flawed way of scaling, as organs and blood vessels are weaker than the actual body.Causing Haemoptysis to a person by blunt force isn't the safest method of scaling. A way of scaling is from a boxer causing Haemoptysis to a victim who didn't gain it from another boxer's attack, the first boxer would scale above the second.
(Attaching links on mobile sucks and I don't have my laptop, so here is a text version. You can see it on the durability page.)
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So, if making a character bleed and making them bruise isn't damage to you, then what exactly qualifies as damage to you?
Yeah, he got "overwhelmed," but that doesn't matter. He's evidently not several tiers weaker.
For every example of someone getting harmed via piercing damage you can bring up you can also bring up a bunch of other examples of them tanking it like Daniel catching Goo's spear thing without getting cut or Tom's friend who fought Kim being able to touch the steel threads without getting cut. I don't think it's consistent enough that you could just say that all piercing is dura neg.
I mean yeah, I get this. But you also have to consider narrative intent. Most of the time, in the verse, if you can draw blood from a character then you're generally portrayed as relative to them. The series makes it clear when a character straight up just can't even damage a character enough to make them bleed, and when they do draw blood, it's portrayed as a sign of scaling.
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I mean there is no consistency in injuries, and the bruise you're mentioning is just a one panel wonder. Next panel he's normal. If we're using one panel injury, then we can use Lill Base Daniel drawing blood from James, which makes him High 8-C, ignoring the next panel where James had no visible damage. It's literally the same situation: one panel Tom has a dark bruise, next panel he's normal with no visible damage. I am not saying for 1:1 injury on same part of his body but at least have sign of that person being injured somewhere on his body
No evidence since he didn't fight King, so we can't determine how many tiers he was below or whether he even has relativity to King. So nope, he still doesn't have enough evidence to upscale to High 8-C or have ground to downscale him
Daniel caught the blue part of the spear, not the blade itself. And Wondo Lee broke the threads when Manager Kim was just warning him to stay down. And I don't think the PTJ world would follow real physics that closely to make Wondo have cuts from it. Like Goo qnd Eli using things that should get broken easily but still stay intact
Drawing blood isn't really a sign of scaling because if it was, we have one of PTJ's wonders:
(And this is just interview arc, he also got bled by 2A Yuseong and Mandeok)
I know it may sound like I hate SMK manhwa but it's not the case. I would love them being High 8-C. We literally have a 3x multiplier to upscale the verse, but the main problem is the "H8C crisis". Not enough evidence to back it up, then it gets downgraded back to Small Building tier again like in past.
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Where does Little Daniel draw blood from James? The only time I remember them fighting is in the Hunt for Big Deal, and there, James doesn't bleed and takes no damage from the punch. And depending on the point in Lookism the fight takes place then the blood might not even be actual blood, because with the current art style, whenever they hit each other, bloody explosions happen but they'll still be fine even after taking the attack, lol. The bruise also doesn't even disappear because his face is still messed up visibly even when he goes to give King the suppressant thing that takes away his physique.
He literally did fight King in the helicopter in chapter 182 of Manager Kim. They exchange blows and Jincheol gets blown out of the helicopter after noting King's endurance and his inhuman physique, not his raw strength, and he takes no real visible damage from the exchange even after he gets tossed.
The art in that panel is inconsistent, because when Goo throws the attack it's the blade part that lands.
The threads still cut even when Kim isn't actively attacking since they were able to mess up Tom's office even before Kim started attacking with CQC. It's pretty clearly meant to show that the threads can't harm him.
This is an inconsistency, yeah, but it's different because Johan isn't regularly portrayed as being on the level of Tom, making it an outlier, but Manager Kim and people comparable to Manager Kim can consistently fight on Tom's level, making it harder to dismiss the feats as just outliers.
There's plenty of evidence to back it up, lol, I don't know why you're being so strict here. You don't need to be able to shatter your opponent's bones to scale to them.I know it may sound like I hate SMK manhwa but it's not the case. I would love them being High 8-C. We literally have a 3x multiplier to upscale the verse, but the main problem is the "H8C crisis". Not enough evidence to back it up, then it gets downgraded back to Small Building tier again like in past.
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Are you guys still going at it? (Just make sure to be nice and respectful yall, I like both of you so don't be meanies! :3
Not saying you guys are being meanies just a friendly reminder :3)
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Yeah, that's what I am saying. One panel wonders shouldn't be used as damaging or bruising someone when Injuries are inconsistent
What are you talking about? The panel you're using for him being "bruised" - the panel after that literally shows Tom's face back to normal. So tell me, how are you saying James didn't bleed, but next moment you're saying Tom is injured, when the panel after he gives King "the cure of God's Realm" his face is literally normal with no bruises?
And does no damage to king as well but he uses War Mode to run not fight which means Jincheol knew he wouldn't able to handle King even with War mode that's why he retreated, that's the only conclusion can be drawn
But again, Daniel catches the shaft instead of the spear head, so I don't think we can really use that example to determine anything, even if it's an inconsistent panel
Again the threads aren't like giving passive cuts, Kim literally uses it to throw Yuuki yet Yuuki had no visible cuts on his legs despite being force was involved yet there was no visible cut even when Kim was attacking Yuuki. So yeah threads are also like Goo's and Eli's weapons, they aren't actively cutting anything, it's depends on the author's intent. When its going cut or not
Again, the threads aren't like giving passive cuts. Kim literally uses it to throw Yuuki, yet Yuuki had no visible cuts on his legs despite force being involved. There were no visible cuts even when Kim was attacking Yuuki. So yeah, threads are also like Goo's and Eli's weapons they aren't actively cutting anything. It depends on the author's intent: when it's going to cut or not.
No, there isn't. Most of the evidence directly falls under haemoptysis and one-panel injuries that vanish the next moment when 9 the character appears aren't really great evidence either, which is why it's easily debunkable. And I'm not even that strict
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Finally had time but updated the calc. The forearm does seem to be the best (but ngl, the volume was only a little bit lower than my very original calc). I also calculated and subtract the portion of the volume that wasn't destroyed just for the sake of accuracy, and it only reduced it by like 10%.
