Review of Instant Death Part 2

[Azertyhuuh]

The cosmology page can be overruled in the presence of contrary evidence that is not addressed in the cosmology page or the previous upgrade thread.

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Reading the rest of your response, Yeah none of this addresses my argument. I'm not saying Abyss isn't 4D Space. I never said that...
I said it isn't significant in size. Big difference

NP. Take your time. It's sleep time so I gtg too ;d
I'll come back here tomorrow if you add something, though I don't think azerty will add anything relevant given what we've debated so far...

It's nearly 3AM lol
GN

This is a really funny reply; it actually shows your inability to respond properly. The supporters here and I are the most experienced in the Instant Death series, and an expert and moderator has already clarified this to you, along with two veteran supporters, while you are just a fan of Tensura. Be reasonable and let the supporters handle these matters.

Do not speak as if we are stupid here while presenting your words as absolute truth. What annoys me is that you keep writing that I haven’t refuted anything, and similar claims. Seriously, enough with these provoking comments. Do not present your words as if they are correct—your statements are wrong and you are only derailing the thread. You were already refuted in the previous thread by everyone, and the same will happen here again.

There is no issue with the cosmology and no contradictions whatsoever. If you have any problems, you can open another thread to discuss them—just do not disrupt this thread. Haha, it’s funny—you come here saying “you can discuss incorrect things.” Are you serious? The thread that was already accepted lasted 16 pages, while you are now trying to flood this discussion with things that were already accepted and debated. The problem is that you don’t even know where that thread is, you don’t remember anything, and you don’t know what was accepted or what is in the cosmology page. Now you’re just making the thread unnecessarily long.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Also, before I go to sleep, I should probably note that this is wrong and can cause a misunderstading. Currently, this is what it says:


It doesn't say it's Low 1-C due to containing a 5D structure. It instead writes it as the infinite space between 4D space-times/universes (which is indeed 5D and Low 1-C), but unless the cosmology page is saying it wrong, that is not the accepted reasoning on page.

No, I actually already told you the real reason, and I think the cosmology page just didn’t explain this clearly enough. The Sea is classified as Low 1-C because it contains the Abyss, and the Abyss is a five-dimensional structure, which was then considered insignificant due to its size. However, since the Sea contains it and is an infinite space, it would still be Low 1-C regardless. This was already discussed in that thread anyway.

Man, you don’t know anything at all. Literally, you don’t understand anything. You are derailing the thread. Wouldn’t it be better for you to review the entire previous 16-page thread and come back?
How am I supposed to convince the staff that you did the same things in the previous thread and were thoroughly refuted by the supporters and staff, yet today you come back trying to flood the thread with irrelevant points? You—
You should respect what is currently established and accepted, and respect the supporters and experts here. We are the supporters, and you should respect us. I’m not saying you can’t disagree, but don’t be stubborn and keep saying you weren’t refuted or that you didn’t respond, etc. We know this work very well, and we are fully familiar with it. I already explained things to you, and everyone here has explained it to you. I told you before that you were defeated in the previous thread and embarrassed yourself, so don’t repeat the same scenes again.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

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holy yip-yap dude.. shut up..

 

[Cipher72]

holy yip-yap dude.. shut up..

Calm down Kuma

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Calm down Kuma

if it gets them to realize how against their point and idiotic it makes them look for talking like your average saturday morning villain back in the day, it's plenty sufficient and reasonable to say

anyways, if anyone (aside from azerty, the non-righteous instant death 'supporter' [larper]) would like to say anything about this thread and or his behavior, go ahead

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Please stay on topic, and enough with comments that do not contribute anything to the discussion.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Please stay on topic, and enough with comments that do not contribute anything to the discussion.

you don't even follow your own advice, instant death fan who wallows in their own dirty hypocrisy and arrogance.

 

[Entity]

calm down, guys

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

calm down, guys

respectfully, tell that to nagito komaeda over there without him needlessly paragraph yapping about how 'only I.D supporters should take care of this' with that needless arrogance of his. i'm as calm as can be, but he sure ain't

otherwise, this is never getting anywhere with the people who actually DO properly contribute to this verse. (hint: he isn't one of them)

 

[Nonynho]

holy yip-yap dude.. shut up..

you don't even follow your own advice, instant death fan who wallows in their own dirty hypocrisy and arrogance.

nah, you don't get to speak like that

Azerty truly believes on what he's saying so he doesn't deserve you s*ing on him like that as much as everyone else

 

[Entity]

tell that to nagito komaeda over there without him needlessly paragraph yapping about how 'only I.D supporters should take care of this' with that needless arrogance of his

both of you need stand down, take a breath and talk in a more civilized manner, being aggressive is useless and deleterious for both sides

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Azerty truly believes on what he's saying

now you see the issue

both of you need stand down, take a breath and talk in a more civilized manner, being aggressive is useless and deleterious for both sides

anything more than civilized in his view is people acting like submissive puppies to agree with his takes, I get my words got 'flare' to them that may come off 'aggressive' but this is just me being natural. if nobody's about to be speaking blunt here it may as well be in that fashion, and I don't get why this is being treated as 'equal' here.

no shade to you, of course.

 

[Foriaa]

anyways, if anyone (aside from azerty, the non-righteous instant death 'supporter' [larper]) would like to say anything about this thread and or his behavior, go ahead

chill

 

[Nonynho]

my words got 'flare'

and that's exactly why it should stop right now, as this is not cool.

 

[Foriaa]

This is a really funny reply; it actually shows your inability to respond properly.

Is your translator just buns or are you actually just trying to provoke someone

 

[Azertyhuuh]

you don't even follow your own advice, instant death fan who wallows in their own dirty hypocrisy and arrogance.

You all don't like a person who defends themselves and their work. You only like those who surrender and submit to you, just as you did with all other supporters. If I were a weak and pathetic person and had listened to what you say, I would not have achieved anything since I joined. This is a fact you may not have realized yet, and today you need to understand it."

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I left for like a few hours. What's going on?

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

I left for like a few hours. What's going on?

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No, I actually already told you the real reason, and I think the cosmology page just didn’t explain this clearly enough. The Sea is classified as Low 1-C because it contains the Abyss, and the Abyss is a five-dimensional structure, which was then considered insignificant due to its size. However, since the Sea contains it and is an infinite space, it would still be Low 1-C regardless. This was already discussed in that thread anyway.

Man, you don’t know anything at all. Literally, you don’t understand anything. You are derailing the thread. Wouldn’t it be better for you to review the entire previous 16-page thread and come back?
How am I supposed to convince the staff that you did the same things in the previous thread and were thoroughly refuted by the supporters and staff, yet today you come back trying to flood the thread with irrelevant points? You—
You should respect what is currently established and accepted, and respect the supporters and experts here. We are the supporters, and you should respect us. I’m not saying you can’t disagree, but don’t be stubborn and keep saying you weren’t refuted or that you didn’t respond, etc. We know this work very well, and we are fully familiar with it. I already explained things to you, and everyone here has explained it to you. I told you before that you were defeated in the previous thread and embarrassed yourself, so don’t repeat the same scenes again.

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I don't think this was called for

 

[Entity]

You all don't like a person who defends themselves and their work. You only like those who surrender and submit to you, just as you did with all other supporters. If I were a weak and pathetic person and had listened to what you say, I would not have achieved anything since I joined. This is a fact you may not have realized yet, and today you need to understand it."

you have to chill down too

 

[Azertyhuuh]

you have to chill down too

Alright, of course.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I left for like a few hours. What's going on?

As I told you, @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless and what is clearly stated in the cosmology, and what I already explained to you, worlds are simply universes in the normal sense.

You already agreed that the Abyss is universe-sized since it is also a world, and worlds are universes. But because of the incorrect things Astral said, you changed your opinion and asked for clarification, and it has now been clarified. So, will I now keep you in the agreeing list, or are there any other issues?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

So Az's Argument is:

• The Abyss is called a world, and worlds are universes, therefor it is of significant size.

Astrals Argument is:

• Some worlds are smaller than a universe, and Yogiri's is one of them, meaning the Abyss may not be universal in size.

Now I saw that the Cosmology Page seems to rate worlds as Low 2-C; however, Astral mentioned it didn't address the sub-universal-sized worlds?

Another thing Astral mentioned was the connection between the Abyss and Yogiri's world, which I think is worth mentioning.

If the Abyss is its own world, then its 4th Dimension shouldn't be connected to another World/Space-Time. The only way that would make sense is if it encompassed Yogiri's World.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

So Az's Argument is:

• The Abyss is called a world, and worlds are universes, therefor it is of significant size.

Astrals Argument is:

• Some worlds are smaller than a universe, and Yogiri's is one of them, meaning the Abyss may not be universal in size.

Now I saw that the Cosmology Page seems to rate worlds as Low 2-C; however, Astral mentioned it didn't address the sub-universal-sized worlds?

Another thing Astral mentioned was the connection between the Abyss and Yogiri's world, which I think is worth mentioning.

If the Abyss is its own world, then its 4th Dimension shouldn't be connected to another World/Space-Time. The only way that would make sense is if it encompassed Yogiri's World.

No, that is not correct, and what I am going to say is what has already been accepted and discussed.

Worlds are universes, and this is something that was agreed upon in a previous discussion after Maou Gakuin was removed from the community because the series itself was deleted by the author. Therefore, a “world” is a universe, and all worlds are universes.
The only world that is not universe-sized is Yogiri’s world, and there is no such thing as other worlds being smaller than a universe. That is incorrect, and nothing in the novel supports it. The novel explicitly states multiple times that only Yogiri’s world is non-universal in scale, while all other worlds are universes, and this is supported across multiple contexts in the story. So there is only one non-universal world, which is Yogiri’s world, and that is what has been discussed and accepted.

Regarding the connection between the Abyss and Yogiri’s world, that is also incorrect and was previously addressed in discussion.
The Abyss is also a world among all other worlds, and since worlds are universes, it is therefore universal in scale. The claim about a “connection” is incorrect; the fourth dimension interacting with three-dimensional space does not contradict anything, and this is consistent and common in discussions of dimensional structures.

See the responses in the previous thread to understand this:

You can review the response here.

• And, why the hell wouldn't a 4-Dimensional space be able to overlap with a 3-Dimensional one? That's the most common thing that happens when talking with higher-dimensional spaces.

You don't need to go to a verse nor to a way too complex Maths class to see that. Just go to Desmos 3D graphic and put the function z=0. There you have a 3-Dimensional space (R³) overlapping with a 2-Dimensional one (the plane z=0).

The second response is here.

• Im not sure about the desmos bit since this is the first time I've heard of the term. So I concede for now. I'll research it and make a thread if I find anything worth discussing
  
  But question; if we put z=0 (which I understand is the 3rd axis), doesn't that mean we're setting the size of the 3rd dimension to zero? Once again I'm not familiar with desmos at all, so...

  He is essentially saying that a R⁴ can overlap with a R³ and is using R³ and R² to demonstrate it.
  
  
  
  
  Technically a 2-D and a 3-D space overlaps in the sense they share the same 2-D space
  

  to cover something partly by going over its edge; to cover part of the same space:

Look at the statements if you have any doubts, and Astral also has no idea about the previous discussion, what was agreed upon, or even what actually exists in the cosmology in the first place.

Look:

The issue i see with that is that ID novel does not mention anything abput CFs being solar systems or less in sizes or vary to such extent but consistently calls them Universes, infinite, etc. Those terms usage pretty much establishes their sizes to a proper Universe, so to disregard them based on the statement of prior, old novels written at different times involving entirely different story seems a bit unfair imo and more like either a entirely retcon or consistency issue with the story written at different times. If newer novels had any implications about the sizes varying to such extent despite being called Universes, I wouldn't have had any issue with it.

The in-general statement of CF being described as 'Universe' or as 'Infinite' within Instant Death is a relatively more reliable statement for the cosmology (and enough as whole) than over a statement from a 4-year-old novel in 2015 that lacked popularity and was eventually stopped being updated by the author. If ID had any evidence of preserving that notion from so old novels then i wouldn't had any issue. But for now, imo, CFs in general will be considered Universes.

@Elizhaa @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless Since you 2 are supporters, any comment?

And they also have their own flow of time:

As for the infinite stuff, refer to my comment regarding a CF being bigger than Alice's infinite kingdom

Imagine with me: the Demon King novel—let me just tell you, it’s an old novel from 2015 or earlier, unofficial, stopped at volume 3, and didn’t even meet the minimum requirement to be called a novel. It’s unofficial and hasn’t continued since that year.

True. Not only that, it got cancelled and Fujitaka said he would redo it from scratch. One could even argue we shouldnt use any statements from it for now since it got axed and it wont be the same novel anymore anyway.

@Elizhaa :

And they also have their own flow of time:

As for the infinite stuff, refer to my comment regarding a CF being bigger than Alice's infinite kingdom




True. Not only that, it got cancelled and Fujitaka said he would redo it from scratch. One could even argue we shouldnt use any statements from it for now since it got axed and it wont be the same novel anymore anyway.
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I agree about not using it since it got cancelled and does not seems notable enough.

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As you can see, all the more experienced staff involved in the topic agreed that all worlds are universes, and the revisions have been implemented.

 

[sukuna171]

So Az's Argument is:

• The Abyss is called a world, and worlds are universes, therefor it is of significant size.

Astrals Argument is:

• Some worlds are smaller than a universe, and Yogiri's is one of them, meaning the Abyss may not be universal in size.

Now I saw that the Cosmology Page seems to rate worlds as Low 2-C; however, Astral mentioned it didn't address the sub-universal-sized worlds?

Another thing Astral mentioned was the connection between the Abyss and Yogiri's world, which I think is worth mentioning.

If the Abyss is its own world, then its 4th Dimension shouldn't be connected to another World/Space-Time. The only way that would make sense is if it encompassed Yogiri's World.

the CF should be Low 2-C for fitting multiple Dimension/worlds inside it

Malnarilna was nothing if not chaotic, and its angels had inherited that personality trait thoroughly. They headed to the heart of the world, where they could access the world’s core and thus influence it as a whole. It existed on a different layer than the one people lived on, like it was in a different dimension. To the angels, it looked like a sea of light. There was a flow within it, creating a path that connected to the core. Though the world could be managed from the Heavenly Throne, they had to use the core for changes that

Alice's dimension has countless doors and is endless in size.

Alice instantly chose to flee. The premise that Another Kingdom was invincible had become questionable; naturally, she could no longer afford to cling to that ability. In this regard, Alice was capable of a pragmatic approach. She teleported to the Infinite Corridor, the gateway to Another Kingdom—a hallway lined with countless doors stretching endlessly into the distance. It served as a transit point for visitors, and passing through any of the doors beyond this point would lead directly into Another Kingdom.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

the CF should be Low 2-C for fitting multiple Dimension/worlds inside it

I'm not arguing whether CF's are Low 2-C, or if Worlds are Universes, that's already been clarified.

I'm asking if the Abyss has ever been used to access any worlds aside from Yogiri's World.

Spatial dimensions are typically limited to their universe. So the 4th Dimension of one universe being able to intersect with another universe is weird.

 

[sukuna171]

I'm not arguing whether CF's are Low 2-C, or if Worlds are Universes, that's already been clarified.

I'm asking if the Abyss has ever been used to access any worlds aside from Yogiri's World.

Spatial dimensions are typically limited to their universe. So the 4th Dimension of one universe being able to intersect with another universe is weird.

I'm not arguing whether CF's are Low 2-C, or if Worlds are Universes, that's already been clarified.

I'm asking if the Abyss has ever been used to access any worlds aside from Yogiri's World.

Spatial dimensions are typically limited to their universe. So the 4th Dimension of one universe being able to intersect with another universe is weird.

I don't believe so. I believe it said it overlaps with the foundation that the current Yogiri comes from

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I don't believe so. I believe it said it overlaps with the foundation that the current Yogiri comes from

Which is the issue, because there's three possibiltiies.

• Separate Universes in Instant Death can overlap.
  • If this is the case, then the Abyss being 5D is fine.
• The Abyss is the 4th Dimension of Yogiri's World.
  • If this is the case, then the Abyss is not 5D.
• The Abyss can access the entire CF.
  • If this is the case, then the Abyss being 5D is fine.

 

[sukuna171]

Which is the issue, because there's three possibiltiies.

• Separate Universes in Instant Death can overlap.
  • If this is the case, then the Abyss being 5D is fine.
• The Abyss is the 4th Dimension of Yogiri's World.
  • If this is the case, then the Abyss is not 5D.
• The Abyss can access the entire CF.
  • If this is the case, then the Abyss being 5D is fine.

I’m going purely from memory, but I believe The Side of the Abyss mentioned that the Abyss overlaps with Yogiri’s entire home CF.

 

[Robo432343]

I’m going purely from memory, but I believe The Side of the Abyss mentioned that the Abyss overlaps with Yogiri’s entire home CF.

Are you referring to this
"Hm. Allow me to correct one misunderstanding. I cannot appear anywhere. I can only operate through places where this dimension and that one overlap. Of course, since your people have no way of telling where such places are, the fact that you are helpless against me is no different. This man, calling himself a king, seemed to be the personification of self-centeredness. It appeared he couldn't be satisfied without making everyone else aware of how incredible he was.”

 

[sukuna171]

Are you referring to this
"Hm. Allow me to correct one misunderstanding. I cannot appear anywhere. I can only operate through places where this dimension and that one overlap. Of course, since your people have no way of telling where such places are, the fact that you are helpless against me is no different." This man, calling himself a king, seemed to be the personification of self-centeredness. It appeared he couldn't be satisfied without making everyone else aware of how incredible he was.”

Thanks, I completely forgot the volume number for the side story.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Which is the issue, because there's three possibiltiies.

• Separate Universes in Instant Death can overlap.
  • If this is the case, then the Abyss being 5D is fine.
• The Abyss is the 4th Dimension of Yogiri's World.
  • If this is the case, then the Abyss is not 5D.
• The Abyss can access the entire CF.
  • If this is the case, then the Abyss being 5D is fine.

The first option is correct.

The Abyss is also a world, so the second option is incorrect. As explained, the Abyss is a world in a different dimension, a place where, in addition to length, width, and height, an additional fourth dimension is added. The Abyss possesses its own three spatial dimensions specific to it, as is clearly stated, along with an added fourth dimension. It is also a world, as you can see.

Yes, universes can overlap with each other, and this is what actually happens. Therefore, the first option is correct.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Okay, I agree with 5D Abyss then. Unless someone has some other reason why not.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

It seems I was actually wrong about the Sea in this topic.
The Sea already has its own time dimension.

Yes, the reason the Sea is classified as Low 1-C is because it contains the four-dimensional Abyss. As for the time dimension, it is not important because the Abyss is of a small scale. So the Sea is an infinite space that contains the four-dimensional Abyss, and with its time dimension it becomes five-dimensional, hence Low 1-C.

I have now removed the Sea argument here because it was simply my mistake.

If the Abyss is upgraded to Low 1-C, then one dimension would be added to both the Sea, the higher worlds, and the Ultimate Ensemble.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Okay, I agree with 5D Abyss then. Unless someone has some other reason why not.

I would advise getting the scans before, since Azerty has a history of not actually listing what the scans say.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

So Az's Argument is:

• The Abyss is called a world, and worlds are universes, therefor it is of significant size.

Astrals Argument is:

• Some worlds are smaller than a universe, and Yogiri's is one of them, meaning the Abyss may not be universal in size.

Now I saw that the Cosmology Page seems to rate worlds as Low 2-C; however, Astral mentioned it didn't address the sub-universal-sized worlds?

Another thing Astral mentioned was the connection between the Abyss and Yogiri's world, which I think is worth mentioning.

If the Abyss is its own world, then its 4th Dimension shouldn't be connected to another World/Space-Time. The only way that would make sense is if it encompassed Yogiri's World.

Which is the issue, because there's three possibiltiies.

• Separate Universes in Instant Death can overlap.
  • If this is the case, then the Abyss being 5D is fine.
• The Abyss is the 4th Dimension of Yogiri's World.
  • If this is the case, then the Abyss is not 5D.
• The Abyss can access the entire CF.
  • If this is the case, then the Abyss being 5D is fine.

I'll just leave the scans for you to judge.

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I'll leave a summary. It seems like while it's called a "World", that world more so still refers to the CF itself rather than a separate world, since "3-dimensional space" with respect to it is infact the normal world, and the abyss itself is just the 4th Dimension itself, and that 4th Dimensional part itself is called a "world".

It is not really ever called a different universe tho, and iirc the the concept of "Sea" wasn't introduced yet (tho I may be wrong) upto this volume and a few more beyond.

I also checked the raws, rather than "a world with a different dimension", it's more in the sense of "a world of a different dimension" (異次元世界). This is a translation of the exact same term from a different verse.

There's this line calling it "world":

They could see that if they fought, they would only achieve mutual destruction, so they divided the world into five territories, and each had ultimate freedom within their own domain.

But it's a mistranslation:

戦えば共倒れになるのが目に見えていたか らだ。 ならば、支配地域を五分割にし、それ ぞれが、それぞれの地域でやりたいように やればいい。 そういうことになっている。

And this:

そこは、文字どおり次元の違う世界 だった。 アストラル界、幽界、幽世。 様々な名で呼び表される世界だが、簡 単にいってしまえば、縦横高さの三次元 に、もう一つパラメータが加わった四次元 ということになる。 男はその次元と、三次元の空間を自在 に行き来することができた。

I don't recall us only using the term "world" to mean a universe or a separate reality, it's pretty variable, and even the 5th dimension can technically be called a world different compared to ours, so assuming it's a different space time rather than just the 4th spatial axis of the CF seems like a stretch. So from your 3 options, it seems like it's the middle one.

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Anyways, those were my two cents. I got something I'll be busy with, so I would likely not reply further neither today nor tomorrow. Maybe I could if I get some free time but doubt it. I'll come here again if the CRT is still open when I get back the day after tomorrow

 

[Robo432343]

"This is why they call themselves kings. They can travel through alternate dimensions to appear anywhere and kill their enemies by doing things like grabbing their hearts directly. They can also avoid any kind of attack in the same way. As such, no one can stand against them. Thus, kings."

"This man...can operate in a different dimension from us. Through that dimension, the heart in his hand is still connected to the inside of my body. Haha. That doesn't help me relax, though. So, he suddenly appeared in this room because he can travel through that dimension as well."

The man could move freely between that dimension and three-dimensional space. It was an incredibly powerful ability. By passing through that dimension, he could go anywhere he wished and avoid any attack. As he had demonstrated, he could even use it to bypass any sort of defense and destroy an opponent from within. On top of that, ordinary humans couldn't perceive this dimension, making it impossible for them to fight back.

Within this space, things mixed together to create a truly chaotic vision. Multiple locations overlapped, indicating where it was possible for him to interact with three-dimensional space. He searched for the lowest level of the research facility, a feat possible with his senses attuned to this additional dimension. It didn't take much time to find it. Warping space, he approached the appropriate coordinates by drawing his desired destination closer to himself.

"Hm. Allow me to correct one misunderstanding. I cannot appear anywhere. I can only operate through places where this dimension and that one overlap. Of course, since your people have no way of telling where such places are, the fact that you are helpless against me is no different." This man, calling himself a king, seemed to be the personification of self-centeredness. It appeared he couldn't be satisfied without making everyone else aware of how incredible he was.

Azerty overlooked a lot of these quotes for Abyss

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

and iirc the the concept of "Sea" wasn't introduced yet

It was, btw. The Abyss is first mentioned in Volume 4. The Sea is first mentioned in Volume 3.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I'll just leave the scans for you to judge.

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I'll leave a summary. It seems like while it's called a "World", that world more so still refers to the CF itself rather than a separate world, since "3-dimensional space" with respect to it is infact the normal world, and the abyss itself is just the 4th Dimension itself, and that 4th Dimensional part itself is called a "world".

It is not really ever called a different universe tho, and iirc the the concept of "Sea" wasn't introduced yet (tho I may be wrong) upto this volume and a few more beyond.

I also checked the raws, rather than "a world with a different dimension", it's more in the sense of "a world of a different dimension" (異次元世界). This is a translation of the exact same term from a different verse.

There's this line calling it "world":

But it's a mistranslation:


And this:

I don't recall us only using the term "world" to mean a universe or a separate reality, it's pretty variable, and even the 5th dimension can technically be called a world different compared to ours, so assuming it's a different space time rather than just the 4th spatial axis of the CF seems like a stretch. So from your 3 options, it seems like it's the middle one.

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Anyways, those were my two cents. I got something I'll be busy with, so I would likely not reply further neither today nor tomorrow. Maybe I could if I get some free time but doubt it. I'll come here again if the CRT is still open when I get back the day after tomorrow

What you are saying now would change everything in cosmology, and in fact it is a very large upgrade for all CF worlds in the Sea.

If Yogiri CF world is a four-dimensional world with a time dimension that is considered irrelevant due to size—because Yogiri CF is the only small one, and it is the weakest world among all worlds compared within the Sea’s hierarchy of worlds—and since CFs are also described as parallel to each other, then naturally this would make all other CFs five-dimensional structures, because they are parallel to one another. This would also prove that they are dimensionally equal, while Yogiri CF is the lowest and weakest in the Sea hierarchy.

Therefore, according to what you are saying, CF would be upgraded to Low 1-C, and an additional dimension would be added to the Sea and the higher universes.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I'll just leave the scans for you to judge.

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I'll leave a summary. It seems like while it's called a "World", that world more so still refers to the CF itself rather than a separate world, since "3-dimensional space" with respect to it is infact the normal world, and the abyss itself is just the 4th Dimension itself, and that 4th Dimensional part itself is called a "world".

It is not really ever called a different universe tho, and iirc the the concept of "Sea" wasn't introduced yet (tho I may be wrong) upto this volume and a few more beyond.

I also checked the raws, rather than "a world with a different dimension", it's more in the sense of "a world of a different dimension" (異次元世界). This is a translation of the exact same term from a different verse.

There's this line calling it "world":

But it's a mistranslation:


And this:

I don't recall us only using the term "world" to mean a universe or a separate reality, it's pretty variable, and even the 5th dimension can technically be called a world different compared to ours, so assuming it's a different space time rather than just the 4th spatial axis of the CF seems like a stretch. So from your 3 options, it seems like it's the middle one.

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Anyways, those were my two cents. I got something I'll be busy with, so I would likely not reply further neither today nor tomorrow. Maybe I could if I get some free time but doubt it. I'll come here again if the CRT is still open when I get back the day after tomorrow

What you are saying now would change everything in cosmology, and in fact it is a very large upgrade for all CF worlds in the Sea.

If Yogiri CF world is a four-dimensional world with a time dimension that is considered irrelevant due to size—because Yogiri CF is the only small one, and it is the weakest world among all worlds compared within the Sea’s hierarchy of worlds—and since CFs are also described as parallel to each other, then naturally this would make all other CFs five-dimensional structures, because they are parallel to one another. This would also prove that they are dimensionally equal, while Yogiri CF is the lowest and weakest in the Sea hierarchy.

Therefore, according to what you are saying, CF would be upgraded to Low 1-C, and an additional dimension would be added to the Sea and the higher universes.

 

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The claim being made is simply an upgrade: the other worlds are universe-sized and infinite in scale, and since the worlds are parallel to each other, this implies they are all on the same baseline level. Given that Yogiri CF world is described as a four-dimensional world with a time dimension considered irrelevant, it becomes a negligible five-dimensional structure. As a result, all other CFs would also be five-dimensional, but meaningful ones due to their infinite and cosmic scale.

It is not possible for a five-dimensional world to exist in parallel with a three-dimensional or four-dimensional world; therefore, this would indeed imply an upgrade for all CFs in the Sea to Low 1-C.

You really do things your own way, don’t you? But fine, I’ll explain. Basically, it seems we’re in some kind of parallel world. There was a woman who claimed to be a Sage, and she said we were all Sage candidates. Then Yazaki started dividing us all up...”
Volume 1, Chapter 2

You may consider me unreasonable, but this is simply the way of this world. ‘Darkness is only one step away,’ and so on. Now, why don’t I explain the situation? As you may have noticed, you are no longer in the world you call home. I have summoned you to a parallel world.”
Volume 1, Chapter 2

The Yogiri world is parallel to the world they were brought back to, and it is at the bottom of the hierarchy within the Sea. The worlds in the Sea are parallel to each other.

Accordingly, all heavenly foundations should be upgraded to Low 1-C, as stated by Astral.