Low Tier Marvel Comics Speed Revisions

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Well, that's not good.

I'm still keeping the Moon Knight one, he's supposed to have variable speed anyway.

I think it was previously established that Moon Knight scales differently so it should be fine.
Spider-Man is a really bad character to find consistency I do think he is scaling way to low but at the same time scaling him any higher would hurt a bunch of Marvel characters, I do not think he can ever be fairly scaled.

 

[Tomfer]

Made a new batch of speed calcs, I tried a new recipe this time.

I figured the last one would give consistency for peak Moon Knight scaling to Iron Man models.

MK's scaling to Iron Man models is his 8-B key only. The MK you calculated there is his normal. You're pratically making MK at his peak and everyone scaling to Spidey into Relativistic. MK's scaling is very easy to do, Spidey's scaling? Not so much, lmao.

Also, the beam he's dodging looks like a normal fire spell. Isn't that going to downgrade the result or not?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

MK's scaling to Iron Man models is his 8-B key only. The MK you calculated there is his normal. You're pratically making MK at his peak and everyone scaling to Spidey into Relativistic. MK's scaling is very easy to do, Spidey's scaling? Not so much, lmao.

Fair enough, nevermind then.

Also, the beam he's dodging looks like a normal fire spell. Isn't that going to downgrade the result or not?

I dunno, it reflects off a mirror.

 

[Tomfer]

I'm still keeping the Moon Knight one, he's supposed to have variable speed anyway.

MK's speed at his strongest, with Khonshu, magic, equipment, etc is immeasurable, so you're fine there.

 

[Tomfer]

Fair enough, nevermind then.

I'm pretty sure it can still be used on MK's profile even, if you get accepted that is.

I dunno, it reflects off a mirror.

Fair enough I guess.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Spider-Man is a really bad character to find consistency I do think he is scaling way to low but at the same time scaling him any higher would hurt a bunch of Marvel characters, I do not think he can ever be fairly scaled.

He can be scaled fairly, because he should have an emotion based varies mechanic, and as much as people don’t like it he does hold back against at least half his villains, his profile just needs a massive overhaul, I’m currently doing a read through for him but it’s going to take a while because he has over 5000 appearances, but until his profile gets updated I do agree that without an accepted varies he’s annoying when it comes to scaling

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

He can be scaled fairly, because he should have an emotion based varies mechanic, and as much as people don’t like it he does hold back against at least half his villains, his profile just needs a massive overhaul, I’m currently doing a read through for him but it’s going to take a while because he has over 5000 appearances, but until his profile gets updated I do agree that without an accepted varies he’s annoying when it comes to scaling

Good luck with, even more so proving his emotion affects his speed.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[AyOgUyS]

What currently needs to be done?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

What currently needs to be done?

Literally everything, nothing was decided so far.

 

[Antvasima]

A summary would be helpful in order to potentially initiate some organisation here.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

• OP proposes a new value to substitute Electra's using a calc from Captain America.
• Multiple calcs to support an upgrade for a lot of marvel characters, the mid tiers. Those calcs range from High Hipersonic to sub relativistic, which would scale to combat reaction and flight speed
• Remotion of relativistic with precog from Scarlet Spider's profile, and either scale Spiderman to mid tiers or add a far higher.

1 staff questioned the possibility of scaling mid tiers from those feats to combat/reaction speed, arguments in favor of OP were brought up here
Impress seems to thing those over 10 calcs is not enough and proposed multiple possible solutions which no staff member commented on. Last comment Impress wanted to check the context to see the feats are valid that was in April over a month ago, only bumps after that.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

First thing's first, a few calcs need to be redone (I'll get to soon), specifically:

1. Mar-Vell flies to space (mach 3,316.46)
2. Carol Danvers flies to space again (mach 6,121.5)
3. Carol Danvers flies to space (mach 8,130.8)
4. Carol Danvers flies to space with a nuke this time (0.0125 c)
5. Namor dodges meteors on Dr. Doom's ship (0.0183 c)

It probably won't change that much, though.

Anyways, the contention is A) whether these characters' travel speeds are comparable to their combat speeds and if so B) whether the feats in question represent said level of reactable travel speed.

Of course, there's also whether or not they're consistent AND what level is best.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

First thing's first, a few calcs need to be redone (I'll get to soon), specifically:

1. Mar-Vell flies to space (mach 3,316.46)
2. Carol Danvers flies to space again (mach 6,121.5)
3. Carol Danvers flies to space (mach 8,130.8)
4. Carol Danvers flies to space with a nuke this time (0.0125 c)
5. Namor dodges meteors on Dr. Doom's ship (0.0183 c)

It probably won't change that much.

What's changing?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

What's changing?

I used the wrong panel-height for ang-sizing, which I'm pretty sure would decrease the distance. We'll see, though.

Yay, more evaluation requests.

 

[Tomfer]

Remotion of relativistic with precog from Scarlet Spider's profile, and either scale Spiderman to mid tiers or add a far higher.

Spidey already upscales, so far higher is already done. If we scale Spider-man, we will be scaling a LOT of other characters too, it's long over the era of Spidey being at the top speed-wise.

Also, what would be mid tiers exactly?

OP proposes a new value to substitute Electra's using a calc from Captain America.

Multiple calcs to support an upgrade for a lot of marvel characters, the mid tiers. Those calcs range from High Hipersonic to sub relativistic, which would scale to combat reaction and flight speed

These are fine imo.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Also, what would be mid tiers exactly?

The guys that currently say "5-B" on their profile. Speed-wise, of course.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Okay, I redid the math (still need evaluation), and the feats are as followed:

1. Mar-Vell flies to space (mach 503.87)
2. Carol Danvers flies to space again (mach 231.62)
3. Carol Danvers flies to space (mach 710.25)
4. Carol Danvers flies to space with a nuke this time (mach 1,642.26)
5. Namor dodges meteors on Dr. Doom's ship (0.0139 c)

 

[Tomfer]

The guys that currently say "5-B" on their profile. Speed-wise, of course.

Spider-man has a lot of cases of being able to dodge and play characters like this... While also having cases of getting blitz by characters far below that. I think Spidey scale CAN be done in a different thread focused merely on that.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Spider-man has a lot of cases of being able to dodge and play characters like this... While also having cases of getting blitz by characters far below that. I think Spidey scale CAN be done in a different thread focused merely on that.

Well, I suppose there's that.

 

[Eseseso]

What about these feats? Even if we take Spider-Man out, there are multiple Relativistic calcs that would scale to the Fantastic Four, in addition to the previous scan of Reed Richards being only slightly below lightspeed

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Namor recalculation was accepted.

 

[Tomfer]

Namor recalculation was accepted.

I'd appreciate a full list of updated and accepted calcs for us to compare to our current calcs... or calc. It's to high light the differences.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I'd appreciate a full list of updated and accepted calcs for us to compare to our current calcs... or calc. It's to high light the differences.

The ones to be re-evaluated are now red.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[Antvasima]

What do we currently need to do here, and which staff members have helped out here previously?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

What do we currently need to do here, and which staff members have helped out here previously?

Armorchompy and M3X gave some input, as mentioned before:

Anyways, the contention is A) whether these characters' travel speeds are comparable to their combat speeds and if so B) whether the feats in question represent said level of reactable travel speed.

In aid of that goal, these feats were recalculated and need evaluation:

1. Mar-Vell flies to space (mach 503.87)
2. Carol Danvers flies to space again (mach 231.62)
3. Carol Danvers flies to space (mach 710.25)
4. Carol Danvers flies to space with a nuke this time (mach 1,642.26)

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Just to clarify, are the Street tiers going to now scale to High Hypersonic now?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Just to clarify, are the Street tiers going to now scale to High Hypersonic now?

Whatever end for Cap’s feat is best.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The ones to be re-evaluated are now red.

I'm not exactly good on Ang sizing but the previous version was accepted by 3 different calc group members, is it really wrong? Seems hard to believe that 3 calc group members miss that mistake.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I'm not exactly good on Ang sizing but the previous version was accepted by 3 different calc group members, is it really wrong? Seems hard to believe that 3 calc group members miss that mistake.

M3X told me that the original panel size should be used.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

M3X told me that the original panel size should be used.

So... All calcs are fine now?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

So... All calcs are fine now?

They just need official evaluations. I've already reached out.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Good news! All the recalcs have been accepted!

 

[Eseseso]

Good news! All the recalcs have been accepted!

Relativistic+ F4 when?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Relativistic+ F4 when?

Shut up