GRACE [0-7-0] YOU'RE NOT A HERO YOU'RE A BODYGUARD - Homelander vs Gun Park - The Boys Comics Vs Lookism

[LegendariumOfLies]

Combatants:

Homelander:
AP: >0.06103017245 Tons of TNT
LS: 320 to 447.7 tons
Speed: Mach 3 (1029 m/s)

Gun Park:
AP: >2.22 Tons of TNT, 6.66 Tons with UI
LS: 57.004 Metric Tons, >171.012 Metric Tons in UI
Speed: 731.991 m/s​

Rules + Arena:

• The Battle takes place on the White House Front Lawn
• The starting distance is 10 meters apart
• Both characters are in character

Votes:

• The Celebrity Hero:
• The Bodyguard for Hire: @Viott, @Gamin_Yoon23, @CatLover313, @Pyro9278, @Sigmagoon14, @Foriaa , @LegendariumOfLies
• Incon:

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Quick Breakdown:

Homelander:

• LS Advantage of around 6x against base and around 3x against UI Park
• Nearly 1.5 Speed Advantage
• Immo Type 2 is gonna make him a ***** to fight
• Heat Vision
• Sonic Scream

Gun Park:

• 32x AP Advantage, UI Makes this even worse
• Genius Intelligence compared to Homie's Above Average
• Fear Manipulation
• Path Gives:
  • AD which widens the AP Gap and closes the LS Gap
  • Speed Boost which allows him to catch up with the speed gap

 

[Robo432343]

this is just a stomp for gun after reading his wincons

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

this is just a stomp for gun after reading his wincons

Heat Vision + Sonic Scream
Flight allows Homie to get away
Higher Combat and React Speeds allow him to see the attacks coming and move out of the way
Immo Type 2

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

This match up is actually interesting.

I know a bit about the boys and I’m currently caught up with Lookism so I’ll give my opinion. Gun can pretty much one shot with absolutely anything given the gap but due to Homelander’s immortality type 2 it makes things tricky. Gun after a few instances of CQC should be able to deduce he’s far stronger than Homelander since Homelander doesn’t have the means of harming him. Gun would likely question why Homelander is still intact considering how much force he’s hitting Homelander with and would likely go for more lethal attacks to disregard his immortality type 2. Gun obviously can’t rip apart his body since he’s lacking simultaneous AP and LS advantage but if he bombards HL with several attacks he could theoretically kill him.

If Gun does try to use a flurry of attacks there’s also the chance that Homelander could use his sonic scream to burst his eardrums. From there I think Gun is just susceptible to damage of any kind from Homelander. I need to check Gun’s profile but if he doesn’t have instinctive action or doesn’t have skill feats of being able to evade or remain exceptionally skilled at the loss of hearing then I don’t see Gun winning.

Since I’m a clip watcher and I’m quite woozy I can’t remember for certain but due to Homelander’s inflated ego he can’t fathom the fact that there’s individuals stronger than himself or relative. I’m pretty sure this happened with Butcher when he had temporary V, against Maeve and against Butcher again in the recent season finale. Upon knowing he’s outmatched he’ll likely stop attacking head on and try to flee or at least distance himself with Gun via flight, similarly to what he did when Hughie, Butcher and Soldier Boy had him pinned down. I guess from there he could use his heat vision? Gun can’t really do much. He has to avoid and can’t give HL any opening or I’m pretty sure he’d be fried.

Don’t you need heat resistance for Homelander’s heat vision? And what would the value be?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Don’t you need heat resistance for Homelander’s heat vision? And what would the value be?

Yes, but they don't put any on the profile. For the sake of simplicity, we are going to use the human char temperature which is 1400F / 760C due to him being comparable to Stormfront, who can char humans with his lightning bolts.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Fear Manipulation

Also I checked Gun’s fear inducement but I’m not sure if the reasoning for it qualifies for fear inducement or not. This seems more like social influencing (instilling fear) or maybe I’m just being too strict. I don’t think a scary expression upon arrival and seeing each other is going to scare Homelander. I could see Homelander being scared of Gun’s expression after fighting it out initially and seeing how grossly outmatched he is, but initially? No. But since it’s on the profiles and having to follow standards I can’t go against that so assuming Homelander is affected by fear inducement he’d probably flinch, hesitate or be frozen in fear for a few seconds

 

[Viott]

For Gun to win, just one punch is enough.
Homelander has no Resistance to Fear Manipulation. Therefore, he freezes in fear. And Gun kills him in a single blow.
Homelander’s Sonic Scream can only burst the eardrums of normal humans. Against someone 36.37x stronger than himself, it’s useless.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

For Gun to win, just one punch is enough.
Homelander has no Resistance to Fear Manipulation. Therefore, he freezes in fear. And Gun kills him in a single blow.
Homelander’s Sonic Scream can only burst the eardrums of normal humans. Against someone 36.37x stronger than himself, it’s useless.

With good enough supernatural willpower fear inducement can be overcome. I think Homelander has good enough supernatural willpower considering some of his feats. I don’t think it appears to be on profile but I can send one that comes to mind which is
this. If you continue to watch the clip you’ll see what I mean. Gun also has to go straight for the kill initially otherwise I can see Homelander trying to use flight or even his super speed to gain some leeway. I also don’t think it’s in character for Gun to go straight for the kill unless he’s bloodlusted. I also do not think SBA would put him under that mindset either. I’m not saying Gun isn’t capable of killing, he definitely is I just don’t think it’d be something he’d do at the start.

Of course, granted the gap Homelander would be utterly outmatched physically and the only thing that’s helping Homelander withstand these blows to an extent is his immortality type 2. If Gun decides to go for the face I’m pretty sure Homelander just dies.

 

[AThe1412]

Heat Vision

Guy dodges it and closes the distance because it's only 10 meters.

Sonic Scream

Only ever used once and by accident. OOC move.

Flight allows Homie to get away

He won't. He has never ran away even when the enemy poses a genuine threat to him. In fact, he'll charge in furiously and fight to the death if he has to because he's an unstoppable god in his mind.

Higher Combat and React Speeds allow him to see the attacks coming and move out of the way

He won't. He never dodges because he thinks nothing can hurt him.

Immo Type 2

As long as the opponent doesn't go for the head.

This match up is actually interesting.

I know a bit about the boys and I’m currently caught up with Lookism so I’ll give my opinion. Gun can pretty much one shot with absolutely anything given the gap but due to Homelander’s immortality type 2 it makes things tricky. Gun after a few instances of CQC should be able to deduce he’s far stronger than Homelander since Homelander doesn’t have the means of harming him. Gun would likely question why Homelander is still intact considering how much force he’s hitting Homelander with and would likely go for more lethal attacks to disregard his immortality type 2. Gun obviously can’t rip apart his body since he’s lacking simultaneous AP and LS advantage but if he bombards HL with several attacks he could theoretically kill him.

If Gun does try to use a flurry of attacks there’s also the chance that Homelander could use his sonic scream to burst his eardrums. From there I think Gun is just susceptible to damage of any kind from Homelander. I need to check Gun’s profile but if he doesn’t have instinctive action or doesn’t have skill feats of being able to evade or remain exceptionally skilled at the loss of hearing then I don’t see Gun winning.

Since I’m a clip watcher and I’m quite woozy I can’t remember for certain but due to Homelander’s inflated ego he can’t fathom the fact that there’s individuals stronger than himself or relative. I’m pretty sure this happened with Butcher when he had temporary V, against Maeve and against Butcher again in the recent season finale. Upon knowing he’s outmatched he’ll likely stop attacking head on and try to flee or at least distance himself with Gun via flight, similarly to what he did when Hughie, Butcher and Soldier Boy had him pinned down. I guess from there he could use his heat vision? Gun can’t really do much. He has to avoid and can’t give HL any opening or I’m pretty sure he’d be fried.

Don’t you need heat resistance for Homelander’s heat vision? And what would the value be?

Please adjust your analysis. This is Homelander from the comics who's an entirely different character.

 

[Viott]

With good enough supernatural willpower fear inducement can be overcome. I think Homelander has good enough supernatural willpower considering some of his feats. I don’t think it appears to be on profile but I can send one that comes to mind which is
this. If you continue to watch the clip you’ll see what I mean. Gun also has to go straight for the kill initially otherwise I can see Homelander trying to use flight or even his super speed to gain some leeway. I also don’t think it’s in character for Gun to go straight for the kill unless he’s bloodlusted. I also do not think SBA would put him under that mindset either. I’m not saying Gun isn’t capable of killing, he definitely is I just don’t think it’d be something he’d do at the start.

Of course, granted the gap Homelander would be utterly outmatched physically and the only thing that’s helping Homelander withstand these blows to an extent is his immortality type 2. If Gun decides to go for the face I’m pretty sure Homelander just dies.

Is Homelander in the comic and the TV series the same person?

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Please adjust your analysis. This is Homelander from the comics who's an entirely different character

My fault you guys I completely forgot and didn’t necessarily read the heading of the profile. But does that really change anything? I’m sure Homelander has feats of supernatural willpower in fact I think that it could be something innate with supes who are boosted with V assuming that it isn’t the case. But since it isn’t on profiles and since I haven’t read the comics I can’t come to such conclusions so I’ll leave it for now. But doesn’t the immortality type 2 feat on his profile somewhat act as a willpower feat considering he’s undergoing excruciating pain and is still able to talk and move? Yes, I’m aware it’s because of V but I feel as though it contributes to an extent.

He won't. He has never ran away even when the enemy poses a genuine threat to him. In fact, he'll charge in furiously and fight to the death if he has to because he's an unstoppable god in his mind.

Instead of fleeing couldn’t Homelander just stay in the air and attack from there? Does Homelander in the comics have any speed amps too? Like in the TV series? If he does he could amp himself but if there’s no value for the amp then I don’t think it’s usable. Back onto my point would it be OOC for Homelander to stay in an area where he won’t be damaged and focus primarily on ranged attacks?

He won't. He never dodges because he thinks nothing can hurt him.

Yeah Homelander isn’t the type to dodge but as I said earlier, if Gun doesn’t go for the kill (the head) then he’s allowing Homelander to feel the difference between themselves. A single punch from Gun to the arm for example would quite literally shatter it. I don’t think Homelander will still charge in ferociously knowing that.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Is Homelander in the comic and the TV series the same person?

Nope and that was on me I didn’t read well enough

 

[Viott]

Nope and that was on me I didn’t read well enough

Then what I said still stands.

 

[Viott]

Yeah Homelander isn’t the type to dodge but as I said earlier, if Gun doesn’t go for the kill (the head) then he’s allowing Homelander to feel the difference between themselves. A single punch from Gun to the arm for example would quite literally shatter it. I don’t think Homelander will still charge in ferociously knowing that.

Gun usually targets his opponents' heads with punches or kicks. Also, if he punches Homelander in the stomach, it would literally leave a huge hole in his abdomen. When Gun sees that he hasn't died, he'll go for a punch to the head this time. If Homelander tries to run away, his speed will be significantly reduced due to his severe injuries. Therefore, Gun can easily catch him.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Gun usually targets his opponents' heads with punches or kicks. Also, if he punches Homelander in the stomach, it would literally leave a huge hole in his abdomen. When Gun sees that he hasn't died, he'll go for a punch to the head this time. If Homelander tries to run away, his speed will be significantly reduced due to his severe injuries. Therefore, Gun can easily catch him.

Vote for Gun I take it

 

[Viott]

I forgot to say it. I’m voting for Gun.

 

[AThe1412]

My fault you guys I completely forgot and didn’t necessarily read the heading of the profile. But does that really change anything? I’m sure Homelander has feats of supernatural willpower in fact I think that it could be something innate with supes who are boosted with V assuming that it isn’t the case. But since it isn’t on profiles and since I haven’t read the comics I can’t come to such conclusions so I’ll leave it for now. But doesn’t the immortality type 2 feat on his profile somewhat act as a willpower feat considering he’s undergoing excruciating pain and is still able to talk and move? Yes, I’m aware it’s because of V but I feel as though it contributes to an extent.

Even if it was beyond just the V, it's less supernatural willpower and more sheer stubbornness and rage. Either way, I don't think Homie would be scared to the point he wouldn't attack. Any attempt to intimidate him will simply piss him off due to his god complex. Black Noir didn't scare him at all even when he was strong enough to punch his jaw off.

Instead of fleeing couldn’t Homelander just stay in the air and attack from there? Does Homelander in the comics have any speed amps too? Like in the TV series? If he does he could amp himself but if there’s no value for the amp then I don’t think it’s usable. Back onto my point would it be OOC for Homelander to stay in an area where he won’t be damaged and focus primarily on ranged attacks?

Nope. The thing about comic Homelander is that he has never had to face anyone strong enough to hurt him until the final fight where he literally dies. As a result, he has allowed every opponent before that to land hits on him because he knew they wouldn't do anything. Gun's fear hax could potentially make him a bit more cautious, but he has virtually no combat experience. He'll try heat vision first, then quickly switch to bullrushing or swinging at the enemy if he gets close or dodges the ranged attack enough to make him angry.

Yeah Homelander isn’t the type to dodge but as I said earlier, if Gun doesn’t go for the kill (the head) then he’s allowing Homelander to feel the difference between themselves. A single punch from Gun to the arm for example would quite literally shatter it. I don’t think Homelander will still charge in ferociously knowing that.

Again, he doesn't care. Noir literally punched his jaw off in one hit and he still kept going until he was torn into pieces.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I forgot to say it. I’m voting for Gun.

Counted

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I think I’m voting Gun FRA.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I think I’m voting Gun FRA.

Counted

 

[CatLover313]

Voting Gun for most reasons above. Both characters will definitely do CQC first which Gun will definitely get 1 great hit maybe 2 before Homelander starts backing off and possibly fly + range spam and while Comics Homelander's Immo Type 2 will be annoying, it doesn't mean he won't be weakened. Plus, that one hit will still do severe damage due to the 32x AP advantage and with Gun's Fear Manipulation which could potentially cause a second or two of stun and with Gun's greater skill + experience, he could get a potentially get a chance to close in and will definitely capitalize on it.

 

[Pyro9278]

This matchup is simpler than it seems. I think we can all agree that Gun could easily kill Homelander in one hit. While it's true Homelander can survive Noir's attacks, which literally tear him apart, the truth is that he's probably within the conventional 8x AP gap... Gun will literally pierce his skull with one blow. And I'm not exaggerating. This guy creates shockwaves with his attacks, and even against opponents of comparable strength, he causes problems to the point that the shockwaves from his blows passed right through Johan. Even with his immortality, Homelander will die as soon as Gun hits or kicks him in the head.

Btw, fear induction is completely useless here. It shouldn't even be considered given how outdated the profile is, and it's probably the worst example of fear induction (scaring Daniel isn't exactly a feat, bro...). In any case, AD or Damage Boost would be more relevant, but the truth is, the fight won't even last 5 seconds.

 

[CatLover313]

Voting Gun for most reasons above. Both characters will definitely do CQC first which Gun will definitely get 1 great hit maybe 2 before Homelander starts backing off and possibly fly + range spam and while Comics Homelander's Immo Type 2 will be annoying, it doesn't mean he won't be weakened. Plus, that one hit will still do severe damage due to the 32x AP advantage and with Gun's Fear Manipulation which could potentially cause a second or two of stun and with Gun's greater skill + experience, he could get a potentially get a chance to close in and will definitely capitalize on it.

This matchup is simpler than it seems. I think we can all agree that Gun could easily kill Homelander in one hit. While it's true Homelander can survive Noir's attacks, which literally tear him apart, the truth is that he's probably within the conventional 8x AP gap... Gun will literally pierce his skull with one blow. And I'm not exaggerating. This guy creates shockwaves with his attacks, and even against opponents of comparable strength, he causes problems to the point that the shockwaves from his blows passed right through Johan. Even with his immortality, Homelander will die as soon as Gun hits or kicks him in the head.

Btw, fear induction is completely useless here. It shouldn't even be considered given how outdated the profile is, and it's probably the worst example of fear induction (scaring Daniel isn't exactly a feat, bro...). In any case, AD or Damage Boost would be more relevant, but the truth is, the fight won't even last 5 seconds.

I'll abandon the Fear Manipulation reasoning but yeah, being able to 1 to 2 shot Homelander really doesn't bode well for him so sticking my vote to Gun

 

[Mercury009]

Homelander thinks he's fighting another weird supe/powered human and gets close enough to immediately die from the insane AP gap. This is just a stomp match man

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Voting Gun. Homelander's heat vision ain't doing anything. Gun dodges it like it's a Tuesday, then caves his head in.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Homelander thinks he's fighting another weird supe/powered human and gets close enough to immediately die from the insane AP gap. This is just a stomp match man

Homelander has win cons. Heat Vision is his go to which Gun has no resitance to, and he is around 1.5x faster

 

[Viott]

Homelander has win cons. Heat Vision is his go to which Gun has no resitance to, and he is around 1.5x faster

Since the distance is 10 meters, he can dodge the laser by covering only a short distance. He can then quickly close the gap between them.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Bump

 

[Viott]

Bump

 

[Foriaa]

Guns kills this fodder with any named attacks, voting him

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Guns kills this fodder with any named attacks, voting him

Counted, and I will throw in the last vote for Gun.
GRACE

 

[Zefra3011]

Homelander has win cons. Heat Vision is his go to which Gun has no resitance to, and he is around 1.5x faster

It doesn't prevent this from being a stomp. Even if you argue he'll reliably use it as first move, Gun can just dodge since they start far away.

The only scenario Home wins is if he start with Heat Vision first move and Gun doesn't dodge, which is highly unlikely. It's a stomp.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Weaknesses: Insane, psychopathic, immature and prone to temper tantrums. Is extremely overconfident to the point of believing nothing can harm him and will even allow things to hit him due to that overconfidence.

Seems like a stomp to me

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Stomp.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

It doesn't prevent this from being a stomp. Even if you argue he'll reliably use it as first move, Gun can just dodge since they start far away.

Even with a nearly 2x Speed advantage? Even with his first move being bullrushing and grappling while lasering. Gotta love this site. 2x speed is either a stomp or just an insignificant detail that we can ignore, even though all it means Homelander can do two actions by the time Gun can do one

The only scenario Home wins is if he start with Heat Vision first move

So basically Homelanders go to move every fight

and Gun doesn't dodge,

2x Speed gap

which is highly unlikely. It's a stomp.

Or he grapples him and Lasers him. Or he survives the initial Attack and uses his Immo 2 to laser him critically. Or he flies or uses sonic scream which he does tend to do in tough situations.

Weaknesses: Insane, psychopathic, immature and prone to temper tantrums. Is extremely overconfident to the point of believing nothing can harm him and will even allow things to hit him due to that overconfidence.

Homelander not caring people hit him doesn't mean he isn't gonna use the Laser immediately or keep using laser if Gun closes the distance.

 

[Viott]

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