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Tier 9 Humanoid Tournament Round 2 Match 4: Alice Fuji vs Sans

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Tier 9 Humanoid Tournament​

Alice Fuji vs Sans:​

The rule:​

  1. The battle takes place in Level 0 Backrooms.
  2. Both participants will know that if they break a wall they will be both teleported to Level 483 and to Level 27 if they break the floor.
  3. Both participants remember their past victories in the tournament.
  4. Speed is equalized.
  5. Both have 1 minute and a half of prep time.
  6. After the minute and a half of prep time, both participants will spawn in random spots and will know the opponent's starting positions.
Alice Fuji:
Sans: XxZetsuxX, Mickey1940, GPR_Shadow,
Inconclusive (coin flip):
 
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I was going to forfeit, remembering that Sans was an actual speed god. But...

Holy shit, they nerfed Undertale speed values. Alice oneshots.
 
ARandomDude127 said:
Anyways what does Alice have against Sans immediately slamming her down to the ground with Class 50 TK and impaling her on bones (which would kill her around a little under a second)
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Speed amping to a level of speed blitzes that goes like this: Slow mow speed blitz people that can slow mow speed blitz people with a though. Which is in character and to 90% her first move. Leading to a AP oneshot.
 
I think the 4th wall is gonna be fully useable in matchups now (?), so how does she handle the first attack without being able to use almost any of her abilities including amps (because its Sans turn lol)
 
ShionAH said:
I think the 4th wall is gonna be fully useable in matchups now (?), so how does she handle the first attack without being able to use almost any of her abilities including amps (because its Sans turn lol)
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Pretty sure it doesn't work like that besides for his special attack
 
ShionAH said:
I think the 4th wall is gonna be fully useable in matchups now (?)
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The What. We accept those as actual powers?
ShionAH said:
so how does she handle the first attack without being able to use almost any of her abilities including amps (because its Sans turn lol)
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If we seriously say that he can just force turn based combat then ******* nothing lmao.
 
First_Witch said:
The What. We accept those as actual powers?
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I am gonna be fr, I dont ******* know. Profile says it combat appicable like I argued it and got it added that way but supporters sometimes say the game system isn't forced onto others, but rn he is getting an instant wincon with 4th wall breaking as we speak so is it a undertale system he can abuse like he does or is it not?? I have no clue, we lowkey might need a staff thread for this ability
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Pretty sure it doesn't work like that besides for his special attack
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This confuses me, bc rn he is getting a wincon off of it in that CRT. So are we letting him abuse his powers like he does in the game or not??

Yes I do believe UT should just have law manip
 
Welp, its a stomp eitherway anyway. Either he can and he stomps or he can't and Alice stomps. Just tell me what it is at the end.

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First_Witch said:
Speed amping to a level of speed blitzes that goes like this: Slow mow speed blitz people that can slow mow speed blitz people with a though. Which is in character and to 90% her first move. Leading to a AP oneshot.
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Aw HELL nah Cuphead’s got Danmaku and a dream for this tournament
 
Sans either one-shot using his first turn or quit the battle (as per this CRT). Either option is an easy win for him, meaning stomp.

It's already in the profile y'all.
 
ShionAH said:
This confuses me, bc rn he is getting a wincon off of it in that CRT. So are we letting him abuse his powers like he does in the game or not??

Yes I do believe UT should just have law manip
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Verse Equalized. Sans's knowledge of the mechanics and his ability to work around them wouldn't change regardless of the matchup. Just as we accept that one form of energy can be equated to another across different verses, a fundamental aspect such as the game-world framework presented in Undertale would likewise be treated as existing under verse equalization.

In the same way that most characters in Undertale are unaware of the mechanics (and fight normally like fodders; without turn-based perception) despite living within that system, it would be reasonable for characters from other verses to be in the same position. The mechanics would still exist under the equalization assumption, they simply wouldn't know that those aspects of reality are there to be exploited. Under this interpretation, Sans would still perceive the battle through a turn-based framework, while his opponent would remain unaware of those mechanics and simply fight normally. As a result, Sans would retain the advantage, since he possesses knowledge of and can exploit aspects of the system that his opponent doesn't even realize exist.

This guy still pulls the same kind of nonsense in an entirely different setting like Deltarune, so I highly doubt that putting him in a crossover matchup would suddenly downgrade him to the point where this knowledge becomes unusable or impossible to exploit. If anything, the consistency of his behavior across different settings suggests that this awareness isn't tied to a single environment, but rather to Sans himself by knowing these “system” exist. I mean, if Sans can't exploit the system because of crossover match... then what's stopping other character to one-shot Asriel or Flowey for example? Because he's manipulating that system, for goodness sake. I believe this can also be the case with other character who relies on manipulating something within a game-world .
 
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Voting Sans ig

Thought attacks, first turn which she can't do anything, her verse doesn't have magic, so she gets confused about randomly getting TK'ed into the ground and gets pierced by bones
 
There's really nothing Alice can do here. Even if we're being fair with Sans not one-shotting her through his first turn, he could just... walked out of the fight and still win regardless. All roads lead to Sans.
 
XxZetsuxX said:
How do we treat Sans attacking while you are deciding what to do?
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It could simply be another method of Sans reaching Frisk's soul outside of their designated turn. Since the soul is still present during the battle system, Sans may just be attacking it directly from outside the normal turn structure. From an outside observer's perspective, Sans would practically appear to be doing nothing at all.

Mind Manipulation take also seems nonsensical to me, because he's not attacking the mind or anything about mental. The feat is portrayed as Sans directly reaching and interacting with the soul outside of the turn system itself.
 
Ngl, Sans being able to do his turn first

And with vsbattle treating characters as lvl 1, I think all Sans matches are a stomp in his favor since he can just flee and win as his first turn

LOL
 
Jepilstiltskin said:
It could simply be another method of Sans reaching Frisk's soul outside of their designated turn. Since the soul is still present during the battle system, Sans may just be attacking it directly from outside the normal turn structure. From an outside observer's perspective, Sans would practically appear to be doing nothing at all.

Mind Manipulation take also seems nonsensical to me, because he's not attacking the mind or anything about mental. The feat is portrayed as Sans directly reaching and interacting with the soul outside of the turn system itself.
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He is attacking your decisions though
 
Jepilstiltskin said:
Mind Manipulation take also seems nonsensical to me, because he's not attacking the mind or anything about mental. The feat is portrayed as Sans directly reaching and interacting with the soul outside of the turn system itself.
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Frisk is literally deciding what to do, they are using stuff like Information Analysis or the act of talking. Sans is attacking the buttons and the menus where our thoughts are located at
 
Sans FRA, tk into bones is literally his first move and Alice has zero options against that and since she's treated as a lv.1 Frisk then she dies instantly
 
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